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What Is Wrong With The French?  
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Riots have rocked the French city of Grenoble after police chasing a gang of suspected robbers killed a man who had reportedly fired on them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10672400

Really?! Riots..after the cops took out the bad guy?! What the hell is wrong with those people..they are attacking cops for actually doing their job? And the guy they killed had 3 previous armed robbery convictions...so not like they made a mistake or anything, if you ask me the cops did a huge service to the community by taking out scum like him.


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User currently offline777236er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

A group of people don't like perceived injustice, like all riots...it's not rocket science.

And it's certainly no reason to be racist.


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting 777236er (Reply 1):
And it's certainly no reason to be racist.

What about any of that is racist?



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting 777236er (Reply 1):
A group of people don't like perceived injustice, like all riots...it's not rocket science.
And it's certainly no reason to be racist.

   There's nothing wrong with the French just because a group of people decided to protest this killing. I hardly think that we can claim that the actions of a group of rioters is necessarily indicative of the sentiments of the majority of residents in a nation of 56 million.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

There are some people in this country that hate police a lot more for less reasons unfortunately.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
I hardly think that we can claim that the actions of a group of rioters is necessarily indicative of the sentiments of the majority of residents in a nation of 56 million.

   These rioters are to France, as the Westburo Baptist Church is to America.

Trust me, I disagree on a lot of French policies, but I'll defend them in this one. A part is not a whole



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

What part of that is racist? These rioters are French, so I just asked what is wrong with them? And since when did France or calling somebody "French" because they are from France become a racist term? Mods, please edit the title if you feel its wrong. Thanks.


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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
These rioters are French, so I just asked what is wrong with them?

No, you asked what is wrong with the French. That is a very different statement than "what is wrong with these rioters who are French?"

It may as well be... "Say, I heard about a group of neo-nazis rioting in some town in midwestern United States. What is wrong with Americans?"

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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Those rioters are French but would most likely not admit it if you asked them. They'd say they're from some gang, religion, city district, department number, or maybe the country of origin of their grandparents. Police officers are the enemy, they disturb their business. And the gangsters are bling robin hoods for them.


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
Quoting Airport (Reply 6):

Those are my sentiments as well. At first I thought it was going to be a thread about some stupid political disagreement er something, but that's not the case here...

I especially like this statemet:

Quoting Airport (Reply 6):
It may as well be... "Say, I heard about a group of neo-nazis rioting in some town in midwestern United States. What is wrong with Americans?"

So by that logic, all neo-nazis are Americans or vise versa? Or, in the case of this thread, all French are thugs who attack cops...



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 8):
Or, in the case of this thread, all French are thugs who attack cops...

And we know that's not true, most French people are just cowards who would run from confrontation as fast as they could! These guys must have been from somewhere else if they actually acted forceful in any way!   



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
These rioters are French, so I just asked what is wrong with them?

No, you asked "What is wrong with THE French ? "

Far more important is that THE French, who the swift burial and the name of the killed robber of course will jump to conclusions, might also ask question, also using the "THE" term.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
most French people are just cowards who would run from confrontation as fast as they could!

In a bout of French-Bashing here ?? Not only French but most people on earth "run from confrontation" and by your definition most of mankind are cowards.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
These guys must have been from somewhere else if they actually acted forceful in any way!



Many French DO act forceful, most of them however not in a criminal way. ....................... So that your anti-French emotions are a bit irrelevant


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
most French people are just cowards who would run from confrontation as fast as they could!

In a bout of French-Bashing here ?? Not only French but most people on earth "run from confrontation" and by your definition most of mankind are cowards.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
These guys must have been from somewhere else if they actually acted forceful in any way!



Many French DO act forceful, most of them however not in a criminal way. ....................... So that your anti-French emotions are a bit irrelevant

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a way of speaking or writing that involves saying the opposite of what you really mean in order to make an unkind joke or to show that you are annoyed.


User currently offlineKiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Well let's see....

Can't play football
Parisians are snobs
Their food is salty
No good at wars
They smoke too much
Citreons look a bit girly
There's a guy in Nice that stole my mobile phone

....that's all I can think of so far. I will google for some more later


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Quoting Kiwiinoz (Reply 12):
Can't play football
Parisians are snobs
Their food is salty
No good at wars
They smoke too much
Citreons look a bit girly
There's a guy in Nice that stole my mobile phone

- "They" can play football, but their national team no longer had the right persons. The new managers will
now check up all the "Arab" and "African" suburbs as well as all countries between Algiers and Kinshasa, and all of the Caribbean to assemble a real "French national team"
- Most Parisians are NOT snobs
- French food is NOT salty
- Not good at wars really, but that nation expanded upon each lost war .... absolutely UNIQUE !
- Smoking in restaurants etc is now prohibited
- Citroens look nice
- The guy in Nice most probably sold your mobile phone long ago on the flea-market .... make a try and phone up your phone


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
- Citroens look nice

Haha no  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Getting back to the rioting in Grenoble.

The Italian newspaper La Stampa was first to publish the news with a lot of pictures of what happened on site which you can see right here.

http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/mu...=10&IDalbum=28033&tipo=FOTOGALLERY

LInk to the TF1 site article.

The head title says:
You have killed one of ours. We are also going to kill you.

http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-diver...on-va-vous-tuer-aussi-5928406.html

Des CRS tentent d'encercler des petits groupes de jeunes, insaisissables, qui courent et cassent tout ce qui se trouve sur leur chemin. Une quinzaine d'entre eux, certains le visage masqué par un T-shirt blanc, détruisent deux abribus avec des battes de base-ball. "Les jeunes m'ont dit : vous avez tué un des nôtres. De toutes les manières, vous êtes une sale race, on va vous tuer aussi", assure de son côté un policier déployé à la Villeneuve [...]"Tout ce qui est européen, on va tirer dessus", dit-il avoir également entendu.

Translation:

CRS are trying to encircle small groups of elusive youths running and breaking everything that gets in their way. Fifteen of them, some with faces covered with white T-shirts, destroyed two bus shelters with baseball bats. "Youths told me "you killed one of ours. In every way, you're a dirty race, we'll kill you too," says his side a policeman deployed at Villeneuve [...]" whoever is European, we'll shoot at, "he also heard saying.

 Wow!

The number of burned cars remains unknown. It goes somehere between 50 to 60.



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
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What Is Wrong With These Rioters?

In their own minds, nothing. As others have said, they're reacting to what they feel was an unjust act on the part of the police by pursuing and gunning down two young men who, in the minds of the rioters, were merely trying to spread the wealth of the casino back into their community by robbing it, possibly with the intention of doling the money out to their friends and family members who would have spent it in the community. In the minds of the rioters, these young men did nothing wrong and the police reaction in pursuing them at the behest of the wealthy casino was heavy handed and unfair.

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that a percentage of the body of criminal law exists to protect the wealthy from the poor. Since the poor don't have the resources to change the law to their benefit, i.e. make it legal to rob a casino full of wealthy people so as to redistribute the money into their own community, they can only react when the police do their job to uphold a law that the they feel is unfair, no robbing of casinos full of wealthy people and redistributing the money amongst yourselves.

I'm sure there's also a mentality that 20 thousand euros is nothing to the casino so why not just let these guys get away with it, afterall surely they need the money more than the wealthy people gambling inside? Of course, the flaw in that mentality is that if the casino were robbed of 20 thousand euros every day, pretty soon the casino would have no money left and thus would go out of business. But, i'm sure the logic was "it's just 20 thousand euros, the casino has millions and these guys have no money, so what's the big deal?"



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User currently offlineMingToo From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2009, 464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
And we know that's not true, most French people are just cowards who would run from confrontation as fast as they could!

Rather an insult to the 1.4 million French servicemen that died in WWI (more than the UK by 1/2 million) and the 200,000+ plus that died in WWII, not to mention the resistance.

They did of course refuse to participate in Gulf War II. Something about not believing Saddam had WMD I think .....

[Edited 2010-07-18 03:33:05]

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Quoting MingToo (Reply 17):
They did of course refuse to participate in Gulf War II. Something about not believing Saddam had WMD I think ...

With President Chirac and Chancellor Schröder having the courage to contradict GWB


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13206 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
With President Chirac and Chancellor Schröder having the courage to contradict GWB

Though I'm hopeful that what you are reacting to was posted in jest, worth pointing out that whatever you think of Chirac generally, he fought in the awful Algerian war of Independence.
(That would as he predicted, have strong resonances with post invasion Iraq).

And Bush and Cheney's experience of war was..............
(The young Tony Blair even refused to join the cadets at his school).


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
So that your anti-French emotions are a bit irrelevant

Wow I guess the sarcasm went right over your head.

Quoting MingToo (Reply 17):
Rather an insult to the 1.4 million French servicemen that died in WWI (more than the UK by 1/2 million) and the 200,000+ plus that died in WWII, not to mention the resistance.

No I don't think it insulted any dead people. It was a sarcastic remark which was very obvious but even if it has not been it would still not insult a bunch of dead people!



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
There are some people in this country that hate police a lot more for less reasons unfortunately.

You haven't met radical left wingers in Europe. Every May 1st, they come to the big cities of Germany, just to start riots, or the rest of the year they just get involved in peaceful demonstrations to turn them into violent ones. They call themselves "Linksalternativ (left alternative)", but most of them are people who live by the standard "fuck the state, fuck the police, fuck authority". Some of those groups are even supported by the Linkspartei, the successor of the old ruling party of the DDR, the SED (and people here wonder why nobody (in the western states) trusts them).

Trust me, the US is NOT alone with having people that hates the police, because there are elements that still think going "eye for an eye" is the right thing to do (which is NOT).


User currently offlineMasterBean From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

The answer to the question is everything, mainly the fact they are usually on strike because they don't want to work such long hours. On a side note, Brits have always dislike the French for no reason really, so when there is a football or rugby match we always want to beat them and then laugh at them.

User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
most French people are just cowards who would run from confrontation as fast as they could! These guys must have been from somewhere else if they actually acted forceful in any way!


Ignorance is bliss...sorry, but I feel your anti French statement is somewhat vacuous...The way I see it...the Suits down in Washington DC are the biggest cowards with their backs to the wind currently running a Democratic Nation....Sadly


User currently offlineMingToo From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2009, 464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting MasterBean (Reply 22):
The answer to the question is everything, mainly the fact they are usually on strike because they don't want to work such long hours.

Why should they work longer hours ? Their GDP per capita is 20% higher then the UK. They can afford to have a snooze in the afternoon sunshine with a bottle of red and a pack of Galois. We can't.


25 Airport : Considering how many people there are in the US which probably very much share that belief, it really was not very obvious sarcasm. There are people
26 Aesma : About the fact that the police "should" have let them flee, it certainly often happens. Things like dangerous car chases are not common here. And the
27 ME AVN FAN : - and President Mubarak was a bomber pilot (IL-28) in the War in Yemen. Both Chirac and Mubarak, out of those experiences, were/are opposed to sensel
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