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Unemployment Extensions Update  
User currently offlinepropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 587 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Well it looks like its finally time to pass the extension of unemployment benefits. What a sad thing that many Americans had to wait week after week for the bill to pass very soon! Hope is on the way.....once again, you can finally exhale!   

http://all247news.com/federal-unempl...2010-on-the-brink-of-passage/2068/

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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

How about a little thanks to the folks with jobs... the ones paying the bill ..remember them ?. You made the choice to be in a job that was vulnerable ... you failed to see the writing on the wall ... and we workers pick up the bill. Not to mention your spending our emergency backup fund that most likely you didn't pay into in the first place ......  

There is nothing free in life .... you have to either earn it , or steal it from someone ....

I remember a time when being on welfare was a disgrace ... now you are your owne special political class .. complete with your own party and president !. Oh they love it so much ... they pay you for your vote ...spend it wisely.



You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24323 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Frankly, I dont know how much longer this can go on.
We've already extended benefits previously for up to 99-weeks and at some point enough has to be enough, Sure there might be some folks that are truly desperate, however on the whole near two years of endless benefits has to lead to incredible amount of fraud and waste along with huge pool of folks just riding things out instead of truly looking for work.

Additionally, I also have been a proponent of some required service in return for unemployment benefits.
Maybe 10-hours per week for each 40-hours in unemployment benefits. Let beneficiaries sweep streets, clean up parks and beaches, paint facilities as needed etc.
Lets make use of this pool of folks for societal benefit in return somehow.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

I'm sorry... but unemployed for 6, 8, 10,12 months!? What are these people doing? Laziness has no bounds, apparently.

I'm actually ok with temporary unemployment hand-outs. It helps maintain a level of stability in the community, and in families. But the key word is temporary. When we have people living off of these hand-outs, and choosing to spend their time going on vacations, or sitting at home, it's a major problem. Benefits for 3 months. Max.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6484 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Additionally, I also have been a proponent of some required service in return for unemployment benefits.
Maybe 10-hours per week for each 40-hours in unemployment benefits. Let beneficiaries sweep streets, clean up parks and beaches, paint facilities as needed etc.
Lets make use of this pool of folks for societal benefit in return somehow.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
I'm sorry... but unemployed for 6, 8, 10,12 months!?

Have you seen the economy lately? In some areas with 15% unemployment, finding a new job will take a long time...particularly if you are older or low-skilled. Of course, the low skill part you can fix....can't do much about the age discrimination.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
Hope is on the way.....once again, you can finally exhale!

You can't exhale until you get a job.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Additionally, I also have been a proponent of some required service in return for unemployment benefits.
Maybe 10-hours per week for each 40-hours in unemployment benefits. Let beneficiaries sweep streets, clean up parks and beaches, paint facilities as needed etc.
Lets make use of this pool of folks for societal benefit in return somehow.

No problems there.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
Benefits for 3 months. Max.

Three is a bit short with the way things are at the moment - I'd go with six. But anyone should be able to get some sort of job in six months. I'd even be okay with reduced benefits beyond six months so long as the recipients were doing something to make some money for themselves, even if it isn't as much as they need to support themselves or a family.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Additionally, I also have been a proponent of some required service in return for unemployment benefits.

     
I don't see a problem with giving people unemployment benefits as long as they truely need them. But there is no such thing as a free ride (well, there shouldn't be anyway.)

Another thing I've seen is people thinking they are "above" some jobs. They think that ______ is a job that is not for them, it's for other people. Well, when you're family is depending on you, any job you can get is "for you."



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinepropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Now folks let me make some things clear. Congress is NOT adding any additional weeks of unemployment benefits, they are ONLY extending the filing deadlines in order to go on to another tier of extensions. The maximum is still and will be only 99 weeks and no more.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 1):
How about a little thanks to the folks with jobs... the ones paying the bill ..remember them ?. You made the choice to be in a job that was vulnerable ... you failed to see the writing on the wall ... and we workers pick up the bill. Not to mention your spending our emergency backup fund that most likely you didn't pay into in the first place ......

I actually did pay into unemployment insurance while I was working since 2003. Here watch the whitehouse.gov video Obama gave today, I just want people to know that I am not speaking out of my own mind only, here just watch what Obama had to say today, please, thank you.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/...te-help-our-laid-friends-neighbors


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
I'm sorry... but unemployed for 6, 8, 10,12 months!? What are these people doing? Laziness has no bounds, apparently.

Before I landed my current job over a year ago, I was unemployed for nearly two and a half years. What was I doing? Applying for just about any job I could find.

Today, depending on who you get your information from, there are anywhere from 5 to 15 applicants for every job opening (on average). Don't get me wrong, there are people milking the system. But to cast everyone on unemployment in that light is just...unfair.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Ha oh boy I see where this thread is going. In fact, I think there was a similar thread by the same poster earlier today that... disappeared....

I do see both sides of this argument, though I am the first to say "tough luck is tough luck." I think 90% of unemployed people could have prevented where they are today. Paid attention in school a bit more, not smoking that blunt, picked a better, more promising job, gone to college, gone/go in the military...

I have yet to run across anyone (I'm sure they're out there though) that want to strip all benefits, but most of us know good people end up jobless. Good or not, and I am not one to judge you propilot83, but can you be held accountable for what you get? If you get 99 weeks, is it really unreasonable to require X weeks of an "area beautification job" for 99 more weeks of benefits? (Cities these days are filthy!) I won't be one to judge how anyone got unemployed, but it is only right for them to kind of pay back what they receive, what do yall think?



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 11):
but it is only right for them to kind of pay back what they receive, what do yall think?

I don't think that is unreasonable at all.


User currently offlinesv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 10):
Before I landed my current job over a year ago, I was unemployed for nearly two and a half years. What was I doing? Applying for just about any job I could find.

Same thing with me. My job was wiped out when the economy went to hell back in November 2008. My firm laid off half of their workforce.

All of the Consulting and Market Research firms got hit hard. It took me just over a year to get a job, most employers weren't even willing to discuss me taking a lower level job. Even though I got interviews, I got the "overqualified" tag god knows how many times. I sent hundreds of applications for anything even remotely relevant to what I could do in a profession, unpaid internships, contract, part time you name it. Used agencies, networking, etc.

And I had three years of good strategy consulting experience with two relevant degrees from good schools. Don't lump us into the same boat as those who are willing to coast on unemployment. Given what I pay in federal taxes every year on my performance bonuses I don't have a problem with those who are truly down on their luck getting a lifeline. Given the unemployment rate is near 10% and likely closer to 20% (factoring in discouraged workers, underemployed, etc) it's ugly out there.

The average job search right now takes about 9 months. And on average UI only pays $325 a week which isn't a lot. Plus if you're past the 70 odd week time frame, you are not allowed to look solely in your field of work and you MUST turn in your work search log every week to get benefits.


User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1248 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 10):
ut to cast everyone on unemployment in that light is just...unfair.

How about those of us who were denied UI? My ex-company backstabbed me and I was denied UI benefits, and contesting didn't work out to my favor either (in CA). Been without a job for 3 months and counting now, with no UI benefits.

Off topic, but I called it on the Obama election thread I would be jobless in less than two years, and I was right.



Every problem has a simple solution; finding the simple solution is the difficult problem.
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 4):
Have you seen the economy lately? In some areas with 15% unemployment, finding a new job will take a long time...particularly if you are older or low-skilled. Of course, the low skill part you can fix....can't do much about the age discrimination.

Of course I've seen the economy. Today is day 544, and we are still awaiting the that promised great recovery. Meanwhile, the clock keeps ticking.

And I am sorry, I simply reject the notion that there is absolutely no job opportunities for 99 weeks. And I will be honest with you, until moments ago, I was completely ignorant that the benefits extend to NINETY NINE weeks. That fact is revolting.

I can't believe someone would sit around for NINETY NINE weeks, "trying" to get a job. I suspect they refused to look for jobs "beneath them." And why should they, when they have the tit of the government to live off of.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 10):
Before I landed my current job over a year ago, I was unemployed for nearly two and a half years. What was I doing? Applying for just about any job I could find.

As you know, I've always respected you, and thought of you as a good guy. But two and half years!? I am definitely not privy to all the details, but that is just not right. I refuse, absolutely refuse, to believe that it was anything but a monster of your own creation.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
choosing to spend their time going on vacations, or sitting at home, i
Quoting sv7887 (Reply 13):
And on average UI only pays $325 a week which isn't a lot.

At sv7887   

Also, just about every penny of UI goes right back in to the economy. That money is used for rent/mortgage, utilities, food, gas and other essential needs. Not sure where people get the idea that people are taking vacations and "being lazy". Not sure what kind of vacation anyone can take when they only get $325 a week.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 10):
Don't get me wrong, there are people milking the system. But to cast everyone on unemployment in that light is just...unfair.

  

A vast majority of those on UI are looking for work. The neo-cons will make any excuse to paint all social services as 'hand outs'.
In order to recieve UI, you have to have had a job and it's for a limited time. UI is calculated based on how much you earn and the highest rate of compensation isn't very high.
The neo-cons spoonfed garbage by right-wing media need to understand that there is a HUGE difference between UI and AFDC.

Quoting sv7887 (Reply 13):
Don't lump us into the same boat as those who are willing to coast on unemployment. Given what I pay in federal taxes every year on my performance bonuses I don't have a problem with those who are truly down on their luck getting a lifeline. Given the unemployment rate is near 10% and likely closer to 20% (factoring in discouraged workers, underemployed, etc) it's ugly out there.

  
Glad you can understand this.
Keep in mind, those that coast on unemployment perform poorly on job interviews because they haven't been out pounding the pavement looking for work. They are only hurting themselves. Those that are constantly looking, updating their resumes and going to interviews are much sharper than those that are coasting and therefore more likely to find a job sooner than the ones who are coasting.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 1):
You made the choice to be in a job that was vulnerable ... you failed to see the writing on the wall ...

Now that is a load of horse$h!t!
You're basically saying it's his fault that he's out of work. Are you saying that the 20million+ people that's lost their job over the past 2 years somehow 'deserved' to lose their job?
Propilot83 may not be the best example of your average UI recipient and I am in no way defending his activities he's brought up in previous threads about this topic.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Additionally, I also have been a proponent of some required service in return for unemployment benefits.

Ok so let's see. A Midwest 717 pilot loses his job one day and the next day he has to scoop up dog poop at the dog pound in order to receive UI benefits?
I'd rather he spend his time looking for work. Ideally in the profession he is trained to do.
I see no need to punish those who lost their job. That's punishment as it is.
Community service should be reserved for small petty violations such as unpaid parking tickets and minor moving violations.

[Edited 2010-07-19 20:19:11]


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User currently offlinesv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
But two and half years!? I am definitely not privy to all the details, but that is just not right. I refuse, absolutely refuse, to believe that it was anything but a monster of your own creation.

Half of the people unemployed right now are past 6 months, and the long term unemployed have a stigma attached to them. Age discrimination is rampant amongst this group (I believe most of the long term unemployed are older workers) so it's not completely unreasonable to see years of unemployment. Skills degrade, people lose confidence, and have to deal with the stigmas attached on top of it. I knew a very smart Ph.D engineer who remained unemployed for 2 yrs, despite every effort to get a job. He was from India's IIT so hardly the type to sit around.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
I can't believe someone would sit around for NINETY NINE weeks, "trying" to get a job. I suspect they refused to look for jobs "beneath them." And why should they, when they have the tit of the government to live off of.

Employers are VERY hesitant to hire overqualified people for their positions, knowing full well they'll leave once the economy improves. I've had that told to me on several occasions by HR managers at very reputable companies. And many hiring managers are reluctant to hire someone as qualified (or even more so) than they are for a position below them.

It's easy to label the long term unemployed, but the majority of them are desperate to get anything. Until a few months ago I was one of them. I lost a fortune on "trying" to get a job as you say. $400 a week isn't much of an incentive to sit on your ass when you made near six figures before. Even working as a data clerk pays more than unemployment, so there was every incentive for me to "try" to get a job. Massachusetts is picking up faster than the rest of the country, but that didn't start to happen until the early part of this year. We're at 9% unemployment with private job creation finally leading the way.

Just took at the tepid job creation numbers. They are pathetic. Banks aren't lending, people aren't spending, investors are parking their money in bonds and money market funds, and as a result the economy isn't picking up...It will be a long time before we get back into normal territory (5.5 % ish unemployment)


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
but that is just not right.

You can say that again! I lost count after 1000 job applications.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
I refuse, absolutely refuse, to believe that it was anything but a monster of your own creation.

Maybe, maybe not. Fact is I applied for jobs that ranged from dishwasher to flight attendant and just about everything in between, so it wasn't like I was just sitting around picking my nose. Landing a job these days is more about luck than skill.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting sv7887 (Reply 15):
Employers are VERY hesitant to hire overqualified people for their positions, knowing full well they'll leave once the economy improves.

Very true.
I've been told that before in those exact words before.
Even though I have a degree, I remember applying for a job as a driver for a beverage distribution company several years ago. I wasn't ashamed to accept work that was 'beneath me' but the interviewer had issue with me having a degree.
He brought up the fact that I had degree 4 times in the interview. It was as if he was intimidated by me. I notice a lot of blue-collar workers have a chip on their shoulder when they have to work with someone who has a degree or going to college. They get very intimidated.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinesv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Very true.
I've been told that before in those exact words before.
Even though I have a degree, I remember applying for a job as a driver for a beverage distribution company several years ago. I wasn't ashamed to accept work that was 'beneath me' but the interviewer had issue with me having a degree.
He brought up the fact that I had degree 4 times in the interview. It was as if he was intimidated by me. I notice a lot of blue-collar workers have a chip on their shoulder when they have to work with someone who has a degree or going to college. They get very intimidated.

Happens pretty much everywhere. I was interviewed at a Consulting company about 9 months ago. First two interviews were with older managers and the last was with a twenty something blonde who'd had been working for only 2 yrs there. She saw I went to better schools, was more experienced, and gave me the third degree throughout the interview. Of course I didn't get the job. I got my MSc thrown in my face repeatedly when I tried to apply for jobs "below" my level. Anything from office clerical to even Market Research (which only pays a little less).

One guy told me plainly, "We can't offer you this job, you're just too qualified and ambitious" Another said rejection, "You did superbly on the interview, but we just don't have a job that matches your background" (That's generic bullshit for "We don't want to hire you period". That's not to say I performed well on all of my interviews (in fact I screwed up 2 out of the 12 I had)

People are judgmental and like to typecast people. If you don't fit in their pre assigned box, then no matter the qualifications or reality, you don't get a job.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24323 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Ok so let's see. A Midwest 717 pilot loses his job one day and the next day he has to scoop up dog poop at the dog pound in order to receive UI benefits?
I'd rather he spend his time looking for work. Ideally in the profession he is trained to do.

I see nothing wrong or shameful with making people partially work for their benefits.

Anyhow as part of UI benefits one is required to do job searches.The remaining 30-hours of the week the person can do just that.
Dedicating 10-hours of time for somesort of social benefit is hardly asking for much and certainly a small benefit society can earn back in reward for the continued IU payments.
I really don't see it in any other light then the government hiring you part time, instead of you being fully unemployed.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Ok so let's see. A Midwest 717 pilot loses his job one day and the next day he has to scoop up dog poop at the dog pound in order to receive UI benefits?
I'd rather he spend his time looking for work. Ideally in the profession he is trained to do.

No one is saying they should spend all their time performing services, just a few hours per week.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
I notice a lot of blue-collar workers have a chip on their shoulder when they have to work with someone who has a degree or going to college. They get very intimidated.

   I have, depending on the job, omitted my post secondary education. for this very reason.

My degree played a part in how I lost my previous job. Long story short, my immediate supervisor felt threatened by my education and skills and found a way to get rid of me, despite me being on record as not even wanting her job.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting sv7887 (Reply 18):

That is really screwed up and it happens far too often.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
I see nothing wrong or shameful with making people partially work for their benefits.

I see nothing wrong with those unemployed spending their time looking for work which is a full-time job in its self.
Leave community service for minor violations and unpaid citations.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Dedicating 10-hours of time for somesort of social benefit is hardly asking for much and certainly a small benefit society can earn back in reward for the continued IU payments.

That is a waste of time & money for the recipient. They do have to drive to these 'work-sites' which requires gas/bus fare, etc. When you're not working, every penny counts. That would really suck for someone having to spend some of their small $325 per week check on gas to go 'volunteer'.
Just because someone isn't working doesn't mean they have an infinate amount of time to goof off and have fun. It's not like it's a paid vacation.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 20):
I have, depending on the job, omitted my post secondary education. for this very reason.

It's sad that people have to be ashamed of their skills in order to get a low wage job. Good luck in finding work!



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User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 20):
No one is saying they should spend all their time performing services, just a few hours per week.

An admirable idea, but most likely far too difficult to implement and enforce. The bureaucracy that would be needed to supervise these temporary workers would be enormous and thus costly. Is that something you want?


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 22):
most likely far too difficult to implement and enforce. The bureaucracy that would be needed to supervise these temporary workers would be enormous and thus costly. Is that something you want?

Good observation.
There aren't even enough UI operators to handle calls of existing claims. The states don't have the budgets to create a department and hire staff just to make sure someone took out the trash at the local park or scooped up dog poop at the dog pound. Creating another government bureaucracy just to make unemployed people feel small and worthless is a real dumb idea.



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
It's sad that people have to be ashamed of their skills in order to get a low wage job.

Oh absolutely. I'm proud of my education, "but ya gotta do what ya gotta do." Fortunately, my current employer sees value in my education, even if my current position doesn't require it.

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 22):
Is that something you want?

It really doesn't have to be that complicated. Of course, some bureaucrat somewhere is going to want it to be that complicated because, well, that's what they do.


25 LAXintl : For starters this would be nothing unlike a person getting a part time job on their own. If they had a $10/hr job for 10 hours that income of $100 wo
26 Superfly : That's awesome! It's a very valid argument. That small amount of money they get from UI is to cover their basic needs and should not be wasted on tra
27 dxing : Agreed, given how some continue to claim that our infrastructure is literally falling down all around us, there should be plenty of those "shovel rea
28 LAXintl : Its not volunteer work, its a job that is provided for them. No different then they finding their own job and spending money on transportation reachi
29 Post contains images Superfly : ...and taking away a job from someone else who's skill set may only be a low-wage, low-skilled job. The airline industry is never gonna comeback? The
30 DocLightning : Most of them are frantically trying to get jobs. The job I currently have had no less than 34 applicants. And I'm a doctor. Yes, even we docs are in
31 LAXintl : Employment in the US airline sector continues to decline. Here are some numbers from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics of year end employment figures
32 Post contains images Superfly : ...and how many of those are actual pilots? My guess is that most of those jobs lost were customer service reps and airline office clerks. Many of th
33 LAXintl : Active aircarrier pilot positions in the US. 2009: 72,627 2005: 76,078 2000: 80,186 1995: 78,292 It maybe. A job is better than no job. Having the at
34 Superfly : So what about those who's skill set only for jobs such as Subway? As me, ShyFlyer and sv7887 pointed out, people with skills and degrees are often tu
35 falstaff : Not always. For example: 21 teachers lost jobs in my school district this year, some of which were there 7-10 years. why? the sagging Michigan econom
36 AGM100 : If you are in a job that you see is vulnerable to lay off ...or working at a company that you see is failing ...yes. Of course you took it to the ext
37 rfields5421 : I don't know about half - but I'm in the 19th month since I was let go (9 months of unemployment insurance - it was a nice buyout). Being 58 years ol
38 AGM100 : With your high level of IT Skill .... I would start a consulting company . Many companies are looking for contractors now ... and looking to cut cost
39 Superfly : Many have searched for work and/or attended night courses for before their job ended. So do they still deserve to be out of work and undeserving of U
40 AGM100 : " deserve" .... implies that a job is a gift from someone that has been taken away and punishment is due . A job is not a gift ..it is something that
41 Post contains images Superfly : ...and when everyone gets cut and the job shipped overseas? Company ran in to the ground due to poor management? Oh I guess you think it's all their
42 StuckInCA : That's an incredibly narrow minded and ignorant view. There's no such thing as a completely safe job and it's not always clear that layoffs are comin
43 AGM100 : You are correct ....and I am not suggesting we get rid of it totaly. But when does it end ?..... 126 weeks ? 200 weeks? If empathy alone is used to m
44 StuckInCA : You would assume incorrectly. I just think it's exceedingly naive of you to think that it's always possible to see that one's job isn't secure. Stuff
45 AGM100 : Man you are right about that ... but in most cases a employee will have some idea that the ice is thin. Of course there are exceptions ... like a pen
46 Mir : If I'm working at Company X, which is having trouble making ends meet due to the economy, I can't exactly head over to Company Y in the same field an
47 UH60FtRucker : I think everyone here could agree to something like that. Superfly commented that he was against making people work for the money, while receiving th
48 thegreatRDU : Why couldn't they do what the Republicans suggested and simply redirect the money this government wastes to pay for this?
49 NIKV69 : Interesting, Ed Schultz just asked a woman collecting unemployment if she would take a job if it was offered it her. She said only if it was in her fi
50 rfields5421 : Not something I haven't tried. There are a couple thousand new IT one or two person consulting companies in the Dallas area in the past 18 months. Mo
51 Post contains links sv7887 : You seem to be clueless about the state of the US economy. Try reading up on the subject before categorizing 15+ million people as "Lazy." Given that
52 FlyPNS1 : Sure, when the Republicans are willing to do the same to pay for elective wars, then you can do that.
53 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Blah blah blah. Lash out at me, all you want, it doesn't make a difference. Face it... this argument is just like the abortion argument: each side ha
54 dxing : I seem to remember a whole bunch of people here that were all for out of work people getting in on these "shovel ready" jobs that the stimulus bill w
55 Superfly : The is extremely narrow-minded and crass statement of him to make. This is a man that claims to have 'risen to the to of his company', yet is complet
56 sv7887 : Either the economy is creating jobs or it isn't. This isn't a moral judgment or argument like abortion. It's simply fact based. I have the statistics
57 Post contains images thegreatRDU : I guess is this good...after all "unemployment benefits creates jobs..."
58 Post contains links Superfly : For what it's worth, California Republican Senate candidate Carly Fiorina has flip-flopped on her stance on the unemployment extension. She now is say
59 AGM100 : I have not risen to the top ... I own the company and took the extreme risks involved in doing so. I understand employee relations as good as anyone
60 daedaeg : Well you have a secure government job, so clearly this is an issue you can't relate to. But even in good times it can take 2 to 3 months to find a de
61 casinterest : There is a way to hedge. Most financial experts agree that 3 to 6 months of salary should be in the bank at all times. For events exactly like these.
62 FlyPNS1 : I doubt they are really coasting on their whopping $300 a week check. For most people, they can't live on that.
63 casinterest : 300 a week is 1300 a month. At that rate a lot of folks can survive. Especially if their spouse is working. If unemployment is less than what they co
64 BAKJet : That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. For example, back in my hometown, Cummins engine company cut more than a thousand
65 AGM100 : And Greed was the factor that built the company in the first place too then.. I guess . Or did the owner do it because he felt bad for the unemployed
66 BAKJet : No, there is a difference between trying to make a profit and greed IMO. Greed sends jobs oversees, hurting the US economy. Trying to make a profit m
67 DeltaMD90 : I think it is catch-22, you have to be greedy to be big, so there really can't be a big, "ethical" company. As long as they don't go Enron-crazy, gre
68 Superfly : That sounds fine & dandy if you can save that up or had no major expenses that came up while you were working. . Many expenses such as student lo
69 thegreatRDU : This administration has made everything worse...this is a global economy they are chasing jobs away...
70 Superfly : Jobs have been going overseas long before Obama was elected President. UI checks go directly towards mortgage payments / rent, utilities, groceries,
71 Post contains images thegreatRDU : Of course they were...what I'm saying is this administration has made it worse/accelerated...but you know what? I'm glad Obama's stimulus has "saved
72 Superfly : Great. Hopefully they can start hiring some people. A vast majority of those on UI would much rather work.
73 casinterest : It's not that all are lazy. I think a good amount are,especially the further you get into the duration of the unemployment. Specifically those making
74 Superfly : I think you need to scroll up and read more of the replies in this thread. Many retail chains are closing it's doors. Also many minimum wage jobs don
75 casinterest : There are plenty of help wanted signs in Raleigh. Same as above. IT doesn't necessarily require a degree, and I didn't take Unemployment when went to
76 Post contains images Superfly : So everyone should pack their bags and move to Raleigh to work at McDonald's and Subway. True. Instead they want previous work experience. How can on
77 Slider : And just think---less than half of the stimulus funds have been spent. No jobs created. No economic growth. None of the major indicators have reversed
78 Post contains images casinterest : It's a possibility Why are you so big on 99 weeks. I thinkk there should be UEI, but 99 weeks is extreme. 6-9 months max . Babies as a whole and todd
79 Superfly : Huh? I am using that as an example because that is the maximum one can receive. You do realize that almost all of that UI money goes right back in to
80 casinterest : I know it goes in, but that is part of the problem. We are a consumption based economy, and our production is slipping away. This money doesn't reall
81 avek00 : No, it's part of what is helping to keep the United States from falling into a deeper recession or even a depression. Alot of the "conservative" post
82 Post contains links BAKJet : Actually, I heard the number of jobs created was closer to 682,370...which is economic growth http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx[Edited 2010-07-
83 Post contains links and images FlyDeltaJets87 : We should put them to work cleaning up oil in the Gulf. I don't know why anyone wouldn't support such a system. First, it will encourage people who g
84 AGM100 : Unemployment is good .... the more people in need is just what the democrats want. They thrive on the needy ... and despise the self motivated indepen
85 BAKJet : I don't think less benefits in the US is what needs to happen. Instead, we just need to make sure that companies are forced to follow the same regula
86 Post contains images thegreatRDU : Finally someone who gets it.. That's crazy...what authority does the US have to regulate businesses on foreign soil..the jobs left because we drove t
87 Superfly : That's fine. At this point, it's a hell of a lot better than going in to an all out depression.
88 dragon6172 : I like this idea. Going along with above, I say 6 months of benefits with no pay back requirement. I would figure that the best chance of getting wor
89 Superfly : Well considering the fact that you have to have had a job in order to qualify for UI means that these people would rather work. You can't just walk o
90 casinterest : If we are in a V recovery Unemploment is good as it helps bridge some folks across the gap. If we are in a lighting strike of a recession/depression,
91 Post contains images Superfly : It's a build in cost. Their cost does not go up if they layoff someone. There have been no income tax increases to pay for UI. The government is just
92 BAKJet : Sweatshops and Child Labor are both alive and well in many parts of the world.... many of the parts that supply those of us in the 1st world.
93 Post contains links LAXintl : Yes there has been in a number of states. Depending on the state, either employees, companies, or both are paying more to support the system. I call
94 Superfly : Unaware of that but do keep in mind, UI is often a more than 50% of a reduction in income for those lucky enough to receive benefits. So even with th
95 LAXintl : Its not just business, the average tax payer in many states also has to pay higher taxes to fund IU. Many states have raised employee payroll tax con
96 Superfly : You seem to have zero regard for the person out of work.
97 LAXintl : My comments in Reply 95, have nothing to do with regard for, just stating the fact that taxes and fees' have indeed increased to support IU benefits,
98 Superfly : ...and later stated that I was "unaware" of that in post #94. So again, do you have any regard for those unemployed? All I've heard from you is conte
99 LAXintl : Listen, good and bad things happen every day in life to people around the world. Sure I suppose its sad that we don't have 100% employment in the US,
100 Post contains images Superfly : Well keep pounding your keyboards but it will never happen. Even the evil GOPer's know that they would have to create another huge government bureauc
101 MoltenRock : Hmmmm, really? Do you honestly think that someone making $50K, $75K, $100K, or more really should be out "sweeping streets" to "earn" his/her money?
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