NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9738 posts, RR: 37 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
Yeah, terrific achievement. I was 'in at the beginning,' I guess, since I was at the MCG the day Darrell Hair no-balled him several times, and started the chucking controversy. I'm so glad that Murali lived that down, he's provided all of us with so much rich entertainment since.
I think that's so - if only because there is so much less test cricket being played nowadays. But the thought calls up another memory of mine, when Fred Trueman became the first bowler to take 300 in Tests. In a radio interview afterwards he was asked if he thought anyone else would ever take 300.
Typically, he replied, "I don't know. But if anyone ever does, tell you what, they'll be bloody tired........"[/i]
Even if Murali bowled off a rather less strenuous run up, it seems he was pretty close to the state Fred was describing before he reached 800. The other slight oddity is that unless he does a Nellie Melba and comes back from retirement, he took the 800th wicket off the last ball he will bowl in test cricket.
I stayed away from the Hair event. I still wince at that. The odd thing is that (almost) all leg spinners also have their elbows bent, you cannot get the wrist bent for leg spin with a straight elbow. So why pick on off spinners?
The odd thing is that even though it is well over twice as many as Fred's wickets, it takes away nothing from Trueman, or Lillee or Hadlee or any of the other greats who played so much less test cricket each year. And of course with Trueman and Lillee, they both also had a mid-career holiday", Fred due to being judged a naughty boy and Lillee due to the temptations of Packer cricket.
I thought of Fred looking at a couple of the Pakistan deliveries on the TV tonight, "ay it were a good delivery but t'were wasted on thee" suggested itself a couple of times. Something happening with cricket balls in England this week as Broad just took 8 for 55.
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9738 posts, RR: 37 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1281 times:
Quoting BarfBag (Reply 3): and that list includes a certain overweight blonde bean-eating fella
If you think that either Baroque or I are particular fans of Shane Warne, BarfBag, you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick.........
I can contribute a further personal reminiscence, though. Shane Warne lived (and very possibly still lives) in the next suburb up the Bay from me, my eldest son was at school with him (albeit three years younger), and they're still on friendly terms. He still recalls taking six runs off Warne in a house match (including a good four) and - more important - getting HIM out, for not many, when it was his own turn to bowl.........
Australia's a big country - indeed, it's a 'genu-whine' continent - but a big part of its charm is that it's often quite a small world..........
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
BarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2085 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1271 times:
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 4): If you think that either Baroque or I are particular fans of Shane Warne, BarfBag, you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
Oh really ? Well, bummer then. Actually I do happen to really admire Warne (definitely more fun to watch on TV than Murali) and think Australia made a mistake by not making him skipper after Tugga retired after the Sydney 2004 test against us. He's an inspirational natural leader, and the youngsters at Rajasthan Royals all looked up to him after his tremendous leadership in IPL1. Of course, I also think his performance had something to do with not being able to set up a proper texting plan on his phone in India in time, compelling him to concentrate on the game
I hope your son got Warne out for less than a century, just to rub it in!
A dream to coach and a revolutionary of the game - farewell Murali
I needn't have worried about how we would interact as coach and player. Some have sought to portray him as a pantomime villain over the years, but in person he is friendly, talkative (to the point of never shutting up) and can't sit still for more than five seconds. A popular teammate and a likeable pest.
Similarly, there was no need to fret over his influence on the team. When I was coaching the West Indies our spinner, Sulieman Benn, never really seemed that interested in bowling during practice. Murali was the opposite. He was the hardest trainer I have ever seen; he would spend hour after hour working on his rhythm and variations.
And thank you to an unreformed John Howard for his contribution to the thread.
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9738 posts, RR: 37 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1226 times:
Quoting BarfBag (Reply 5): I hope your son got Warne out for less than a century, just to rub it in!
Dunno how many Warne got that day, BarfBag, but I do recall Nick saying that he got him out with the third ball of his spell - can't do much better than that!
My younger son was the one who really suffered from the 'Warne legacy.' He went to the same school (Mentone Grammar) and, as a junior, turned out to be a complete all-rounder - literally good enough to open the batting AND the bowling, and even keep wicket if required. But at 'intermediate' level the coach was the teacher who had 'discovered' Shane Warne. So he and his fellow quicks got, at best, a couple of overs each before they were banished to the outfield to 'chase leather' as said teacher brought on one 'wannabe' leg-spinner after another (most of whom only managed to turn the first two or three balls of their spells ). Regret to report that after a season of that he completely lost interest in the game.........
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
Seeing that he's been cleared, I hope you don't mind if we let him know so that he can start to begin libel proceedings against you. If he can impart the same spin with his arm "locked" in position as he can naturally, can we accept that his action is okay.
comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4861 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
I really miss Cricket - especially Test Matches at Ferozeshah Kotla in DEL. I remember a similar controversy with Gilchrist (WI) and his bumpers. Garfield Sobers (all-rounder) was the closest I got to watching anyone of Truemanesque stature.
Congrats to Murali, he must be a hero to Srilankans.
Indeed he was and John Dyson's discussion of his action (see the SMH link) is a bit more interesting than just repeating accusations long found not to have merit. Hence my reference to Howard's quite appalling intrusion into an already woeful affair.
I guess McGrath must be one of the few stratospheric wicket takers who did not have an interruption to his career from extrinsic causes. Most of the others ran into something or other. As BB reminds, texting can get you into trouble as can taking phone calls from someone called "John".
I saw Simon Jones father lose his cricket career at the SCG when he was no-balled for running on the wicket in an NSW vs MCC game. Very sad. That was the game where Barber scored a century before lunch on the first day. And they say 20 20 is more exciting!!!
Good points, Baroque. Still remember the odd test match that, after most of five days, more or less came down to a 20/20 match.
One 'firm favourite' has to be the 1981 Headingley Test. That's usually (and deservedly) referred to as 'Botham's Test' since it was only his 149 N.O. that made an England victory possible at all. But it has to be remembered that Australia, in their second innings, only needed a 'paltry' 129 runs to win.
I sort of 'missed' Botham's innings as I was in France at the time, driving the wife and kids back from a holiday in (of all places) St. Tropez. Thing was, though, in the ferry car park at Calais, my car happened to be the only one with a radio that could pick up the BBC commentary. Botham came in just as my wife marshalled the kids and took them off to the terminal for a wash-and-brush-up - I swear that, by the time they got back, he'd got his 50 - and my car was the centre of a cheering crowd of a hundred or so England fans.......
But I was home, with the TV on, the next day. One has to remember that Australia only needed 128 to win that morning; everyone thought that, despite Botham's heroics, Australia scoring those would be a formality. The man who changed that was Bob Willis. Given the circumstances (perfect weather, a pretty 'blameless' pitch, a demoralised England team, and Australia in top form) I STILL think that his (literally matchless) 8 wickets for 43 in only 15 overs remains the best (and most decisive) spell of sustained, accurate fast bowling that the cricketing world has yet seen.
david_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7259 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14): By all means provide details (preferably with videos) of YOUR 'best bowling spell' candidates........
When Harmison's radar was tuned in properly! Took 7-12 to help get the Windies out for just 47. If only he reproduced a tenth of that instead od the 2nd slip ball in the 1st Ashes test ot 2006 then England might well have avoided a whitewash in that series.
In terms of excellent adverts for Test cricket, I've been fortunate enough (thanks to the interwebs - and a trip to London) to follow some great games over the last few years (starting in the summer of 2008). Especially South Africa's tour of Australia in 2008/09, England's tour of South Africa in 2009/10 (Dale Steyn rocks! His spell against Paul Collingwood in Cape Town was just unbelievable to follow!), and the first test between Pakistan and New Zealand in Dunedin 2009/10. Add to that the just concluded test, and we've had a fair few.