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Who Wrote The Bible?  
User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2478 times:

God? Moses? Humanity?


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2466 times:

Islam says Injeel (bible) was sent by God, but has since been corrupted same goes for Torah dont know about the book Zabur? given to David, but Psalms of David are mentioned in Islam.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20355 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 2442 times:

We know that there are many similarities between religious stories. For example, the Greek and Roman religions told of a flood that was brought about by the gods as a way of purging the world of evil. They spoke of an ark in which a few chosen people rode out the flood and how a new race of stronger people sprung up after the floodwaters receded.

As different sects warred, and as different leaders had to justify their power, the Bible was written and re-written. People were killed, often brutally, over re-writings of the Bible (and other holy books).

The Bible is many things, but it is not the word of God as set down during the flight from Egypt. In fact, there is no evidence in the archaeological record that Hebrews were ever enslaved in Egypt, or that the Exodus even occurred. Given that the numbers given in Exodus would seem to indicate that 30% of Egypt's population got up and left, there is no evidence in the archaeological record of the inevitable economic collapse in Egypt, nor is there any evidence of the devastation that would be brought by the plagues. Even if these events were stricken from the written records, there would still be evidence. There is none.

In all likelihood, the Exodus story is an allegory for a particularly brutal Hebrew king, none other than Solomon himself.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 2442 times:

Usually the author's name is printed on the cover or the first page of the book he or she wrote.

If your talking about divine inspiration, then there's only one answer to that. If you don't believe in divine inspiration, then there is no question to ask.



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User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

It is a collection of theological and sociological records, histories and documents written and collected by a number of people and translated/re-translated and revised over many centuries.

As a Christian I believe much of that process was inspired by God.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

What is known to us as the Bible was written over a period of 1500 years by 40+ writers coming from all walks of life in 66 different books.

It still remains to be proved that these texts that make up the Bible came from divine inspiration.

There are earlier spiritual scriptures that came long before the Bible namely in Sanskrit and translated into other languages. The Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Epics (Mahabharata and Ramayana), Manu Smriti and Sutras.

Buddhist manuscripts from the First Century are in the British Museum. They are comparable date-wise to the Dead Sea Scrolls and studied by scholars. Again there is no proof that these are the actual words of the Buddha.



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User currently offlinearniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

The Bible, Torah, Quran, Vedas, Avesta, etc... are all book written by mankind to fool mankind.
They are just like the trilogy "the lord of the rings"," the odyssey" written by homer, and the combined works from AK Rowling known as "the adventures of Harry Potter".

The difference between the first books and the second ones is that the first ones are badly written , vile and in no small way , pornographic fictional books that are basically unreadable without switching of the intelligent part of your brain, while the other books are also fictional but all in all exciting to read, well written and make a hell of a lot more sense.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting arniepie (Reply 6):
The Bible, Torah, Quran, Vedas, Avesta, etc... are all book written by mankind to fool mankind.


It is too much a short cut to say this. Think about the amount of information that is placed in them.

There is a lot to take from these spiritual scriptures even if one is not religious. No superficiality there.
It requires some deep thinking from which to draw your own conclusions. They are certainly not easy texts.



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9752 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Can't say who wrote it, but the first who printed the bible was Johannes Gutenberg in the German city of Mainz.


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User currently offlinearniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
It is too much a short cut to say this. Think about the amount of information that is placed in them.

There is a lot to take from these spiritual scriptures even if one is not religious. No superficiality there.
It requires some deep thinking from which to draw your own conclusions. They are certainly not easy texts.

They are, at best, romanticized versions of events occurred in the past, only very limited actual historical truth can be derived from them, of all these books the most direct write up about historical events can probably be found in the Ahadith, and even these are heavily edited from only one POV, namely Mohammed's.

Quoting them as historical correct sources is disingenuous , to say the least, that's also not why they where written, they are in essence tools to lead whole populations thought processes and actions.



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6846 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting arniepie (Reply 9):
They are, at best, romanticized versions of events occurred in the past

There is, undoubtedly, a lot of folk memory from a time when hardly anyone could read or write and stories were handed down round the campfire or other communal or tribal gatherings. And the problem then is that such stories become established as a reality that is hard to break from because it is the history and identity, and even perhaps the honour, of the particular group.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5740 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
In all likelihood, the Exodus story is an allegory

I'd submit that every story in the Bible is an allegory. From "Let There Be Light" to "The Beast", we have a wonderful tale about how a less knowledgeable people from the Middle East interpreted what was going on in the world. Some stories bastardized by people with varying motivations, some stories losing their true meaning after being translated through at least 5 different languages, 3 of them now extinct.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
the Bible was written over a period of 1500 years by 40+ writers coming from all walks of life in 66 different books.

And modified time and time again through translations and interpretations, some well-meaning, some not. While most of the Old Testament stories are relatively the same throughout each English versions, the New Testament stuff is the most affected by political will.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Wikipedia to the rescue!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_of_the_Bible



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3379 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 12):
Wikipedia to the rescue!

Whatever happened to "Wikipedia is an unreliable source"? Not saying that you ever said it.  



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Here's a couple other sources for the answer:

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-authors.html

http://www.bibleprobe.org/bibauth.html



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User currently offlineiliribdl From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

It was written by humans in attempt to be able to control other humans.


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting iliribdl (Reply 15):
It was written by humans in attempt to be able to control other humans.

Ding Ding Ding! We have an answer! OK the thread can be closed now.


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
Who Wrote The Bible?

Stephen King?  

Floods,plagues,first born,etc,etc.....I mean who else could think up such horror.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Can the Muslims prove of their God without the use of their Quran?

Can the Jews prove the exsistence of their God without the use of the Torah?

and can a Christian prove the exsistence of the Christian God without the use of the Holy Bible?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Madame Concorde wouldnt you say things are just too pefect for there not to be a creator even if the holy books did not exist to try and prove it.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting arniepie (Reply 6):
The Bible, Torah, Quran, Vedas, Avesta, etc... are all book written by mankind to fool mankind.
Quoting iliribdl (Reply 15):
It was written by humans in attempt to be able to control other humans.

Bravo, common sense prevails over childhood silliness.

It only takes a committed block of time to examine this question the OP poses... to get to the heart of the matter.

King Henry VIII used Leviticus 18:16 to make his case to divorce Catherine (his brothers wife whom he married..to later attempt to divorce her some 25 years later - Henry was only like 13, 14 or 15 when he married upon his brother's death).

but the passage says 'No man shall marry his brother's widow as his wife, or he she shall be unable bear him children'

...which is a big fat whopping lie.


Of course the Church/Pope still denied Henry's request for permission to annul the marriage.

Plus there tons of contradictions from cover to cover of the Bible:

Did Jesus bear his own cross?

A) No (John 19:17)
B) Yes (Matthew 17:31-32)

Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?

A) Yes (John 1:32, 33)
B) No (Matthew 11:2)

Google '101 Contradictions of the Bible' ..but that's nothing. Let's just call those 'errors' of communication of the time.'

The serious 'nonsense' is this, the matter of slavery and sexism... from Exodus on how to 'conduct slavery and the slave trade (among Hebrews only)'

Exodus 21:1 “Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.

7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her [1] for himself...."

http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Exodus+21


Read that last line....."7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her [1] for himself...."

This is soooooo sexist and obscene it's not funny. "If she does not please her master" Here is the word of God signing off on sexual subjugation and dominance for the simple sake of pleasure and fulfilling carnal desire (who says what the limits are...or were?)

The link I've posted goes into far greater detail...I want to hear one of faithful do his best to reconcile this line of reason aside from tired typical BS response of 'He's just testing us'...


Now there is simply no way on earth anyone can argue a All Powerful and Omnipotent God can justify the owning and trading of human beings for labor. To choose and endorse the poor, weak and defenseless to serve and enrich another because he desires it so. That's just pure unadulterated BS.

To list '10 Commandments' as the 10 principles of law for man to live by..and they range from the trivial (Thou shall not steal) to the most heinous (murder)..and yet omitted the only thing just a degree form being worse than murder - slavery, the owning of another human being)...can only be written by humans themselves because they lacked the foresight to see beyond their contemporary conditions to realize how barbaric and inhuman it was - a true all powerful and all knowing god would never make such grave error.

Jesus himself missed the golden opportunity of a lifetime to address the very issue itself..BUT whoever penned the words that supposedly came out of his mouth chose to simply dodge the issue entirely. If the early church had taken a true stance against such a practice (and not owned any slaves themselves....they would have railed against this subject like they did against harlots). But they accepted it...and knew nothing about 'how to make the argument against it.


Who wrote the Bible you say?

You are in one of three camps.

1) You believe it all and simply refuse to investigate and don't feel the need. You're content with staking your life on what someone has passed down to you without question.

2) You really want to know and you took the time to 'evaluate' what is known, read Bibles of different eras..written in 1956, 1902, 1850, 1801, 1750 and back. The further back you go, the more you see they've tried to change and update the story to keep up with times. The stories changes, characters appear who weren't there before. You can only conclude that people .. humans made this nonsense up. And you see signs of it today as certain characters try to fuse Science and the Bible together, add in Dinosaurs that weren't there, etc...

3) You picked up on early clues that it was all bogus and never looked back.


And not to appear as only 'picking on the Bible'..the same line of attack can be successfully launch against the Koran and the Torah and any other religious text proclaiming to be" the light, the truth and the way"


BN747

[Edited 2010-07-26 15:18:01]


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
Madame Concorde wouldnt you say things are just too pefect

Perfect?

Hmm, lets see, world problems right now: widespread famine, poverty, disease, wars, totalitarian governments, etc etc.

Yup, just perfect  


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2825 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Who wrote the bible?

Gee, I always thought it was another Fairy Tale written by the Brothers Grimm. 


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 23):
Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
Madame Concorde wouldnt you say things are just too pefect

Perfect?

The universe and the earth it self are quite perfect and beautiful unless you're into only noticing the negative and largely man made problems, as for some natural disasters well nature has to take its course. I am quite in awe of everything that exists definitely a creator there.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5740 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Can the Muslims prove of their God without the use of their Quran?

Can the Jews prove the exsistence of their God without the use of the Torah?

and can a Christian prove the exsistence of the Christian God without the use of the Holy Bible?

Here's a fun fact:

All three worship the same God.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
25 747srule : I would encourage everyone to read 2 Timothy 3:15-17 to find the answer. To God be the glory now and forever!!!
26 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Yes! I am glad I am not the only one who possesses common sense in here I totally agree with you! Darwinism FTW!
27 BN747 : What you're dismissing in your 'perfect and beautiful' setting is the planet eating, star exploding, galaxy colliding nightmares that occurring while
28 HKA : the Quran was not written by a man.According to Islam, Angel Gabriel brought the versus to Prophet Muhammad for a period of 33 years. All the million
29 DocLightning : So that explains why early in the solar system a world about the size of Mars slammed into the nascent Earth? The debris from that collision coalesce
30 BN747 : 'According' and 'brought the versus' are the key words/phrases here...and therein lies the flaws. The term "According' masks who the true authors are
31 Post contains images arniepie : Nice to know but somewhat flawed in its logic, like so many of its contemporaries Muhammad and his disciples could not read nor write, it is widely b
32 BarfBag : Only the Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas and the epics qualify as the spiritual works of Hinduism. The sutras and shastras are basically treatises on the
33 BN747 : Sounds awefully a lot like that guy who dreamed a religion in the mid 1800s...Joseph Smith, who created Mormonism and he the profit. ...Just goes to
34 BN747 : As all religious Leaders do 'profit'...perhaps that is the original spelling of the word instead of 'prophet'.. no, I just screwed it up. BN747
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