Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8181 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
His comments might have been on the money 30 or 40 years ago but Hollywood has a pretty diverse pool of investors these days, especially after all the conglomerization that has hit the entertainment industry the last two decades.
Stone has always been teetering on that fine line between genius and insanity and he appears to have stepped over it here. Of course, he's correct about Hitler having offed more Russians than Jews, but that's not really the point and besides he's inconsistent. What about gypsies? What about gays? What about the mentally ill and handicapped? He missed the point entirely - Hitler wasn't misunderstood - he was an abject failure of power and ambition gone terribly, murderously wrong. Kinda strange that a film director of Stone's caliber apparently hasn't seen "Downfall"...
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Airport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
Hmmm... that article seems quite biased to me. This sounds like he said something that's been taken out of context, or poorly worded. Of course, "misunderstood Hitler" as the article puts it implies that Stone gives Hitler a sympathetic look. That's not at all the case as you read on, so right there the article loses credibility for me. It sounds like Stone (in bad form) was trying to say that Jews weren't the only ones who suffered massacres, and that a lot of the destruction that came out of Germany is generally misunderstood as to who all was impacted.
Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2820 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2271 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2): Oliver Stone's been a conspiracy theorist for a while now - I think we learned that when he released JFK back in 1991.
What I thought was funny was reading Roger Ebert's review of JFK at the time of its release where he loved it because he was a full on conspiracist. When the movie was rereleased a decade later, Ebert had quietly backtracked and said that the validity of the conspiracy theory was unimportant to how wonderful the movie was (never seen it myself).
Jews killed by the Nazis is around 6 million and other "undesirables" probably number around 750k to 1 million.
But the Jews weren't being fought against in a war. They were members of a civilian population targeted because of their religion and who they were, regardless of nationality. This doesn't make the millions lost in other countries any less tragic, but looking dispassionately, deaths in another country when you're fighting that country are a natural consequence.
From what I've read, the impression is that many Nazis did what they thought Hitler would like done (to curry favour, climb the career ladder, get their own power) rather than what he asked for and there were certainly enough who wanted to eliminate the Jews, communists, etc, etc.
Were others more evil than Hitler? Probably. But he was the leader and voice of the odious regime that had no compunction about killing anyone.
which is pretty much a forensic breakdown of who did what and when in the first half of the war. Chilling when the initial intention was the mass deportation of Jews to the outer reaches of the Reich (whether they actually arrived alive at the other end was of minor consequence) and it was only later when the systematic industrialised murder was introduced, when deportations took too long.
Is OS's rant aimed at stirring for the sake of publicity because of his film? It's hard to say there's any lack of conclusive evidence about what happened and who did what.
Haim Saban is trying to get Showtime to cancel their airing of Stone's new miniseries "A Secret History of America." Because the perfect way to refute a claim that wealthy Jews control the media is to have a wealthy Jewish media mogul try to kick the guy off the air.
Maybe his irony detector is broken...
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