Airstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1860 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6532 times:
Well here I am in Minneapolis (which, in Greek, is called "Minneapolisopolis"). I've been here since late May, staying in a cramped blah basement duplex in St. Paul, looking for a nice apartment. I moved here to take that plush mainframe ops job and to finally start living a comfier life.
I do not have a car and I am not accustomed to the thought of having one (they gave my sister a succession of four (4) free cars throughout her adult life, plus two carefree years in Europe while flipping me off and saying, "Try harder [at making a living in the 1992 economy]" when I was 19 ....hmmm maybe that's a different topic ).
Awesome apartments are plentiful to those who have cars - rents increase sharply once within the city limits of Minneapolis. Love may in fact be all around (thus obviating the need to waste it), yet I remain skeptical of any representations that I can have the town (this should answer any query as to why I don't take it).
To get to the point: I want an Eagle Talon. I want an Eagle Talon for the same wack reason that I do my personal bookkeeping on a 1993 PowerBook using an irrationally customized program I wrote myself in MPW Pascal, for the same reason that I've traveled across the United States by train three times despite having no fear of flying, for the same reason that I pay all my bills and conduct personal correspondence using paper and fountain yes FOUNTAIN pen: my love of distancing myself from convention.
I mean really, who else has an Eagle Talon these days?!? When's the last time you saw one? So if I had one, that would be an exotic sight and then people's days will have had a touch of something exotic and I would feel awesome knowing I had brought that to them; that I have helped in the fight against monotony, mainstreamery, and drabness.
OK. Now, how reliable are Eagle Tala, how often do they break down, where the heck do you get parts, do the Chrysler shops even work on the blamed things anymore, and...probably most relevant of all, what the heck other kind of car should I buy instead, since I have a feeling that this get-a-Talon fetish is ill-conceived and that I could make a much better, if somewhat less colorful, car-buying decision.
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6476 times:
Having never ever heard of an Eagle Talon, I did a Google search, and out came a somewhat sporty but otherwise bland looking car. It's not a head-turner by any means, now is it?
But it seems to me that you already have made your decision. So why don't you go ahead and get one? After all you want to separate yourself from others, no matter what - don't you?
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3196 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6440 times:
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter): To get to the point: I want an Eagle Talon. I want an Eagle Talon for the same wack reason that I do my personal bookkeeping on a 1993 PowerBook using an irrationally customized program I wrote myself in MPW Pascal, for the same reason that I've traveled across the United States by train three times despite having no fear of flying, for the same reason that I pay all my bills and conduct personal correspondence using paper and fountain yes FOUNTAIN pen: my love of distancing myself from convention.
A therapist might help?
Otherwise, maybe of you let us know why you loved the Talon so much we could help you find a suitable and slightly more convenient replacement?
That said, if you like automobile sadism that much, why not just buy one and see. I'm sure parts are still available and it's old enough a car that you can do most of the work on it yourself.
Thinking about it, if you find a good condition model, I can't see anything wrong with owning one. It's a cheap, no fuss car. I don't know about reliability, but it has japanese genes after all.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter): I mean really, who else has an Eagle Talon these days?!? When's the last time you saw one?
Plenty all over California.
My ex-girlfriend had the Mitsubishi variant; Eclipse.
That was a piece of junk. She had an accelerator issue with hers as well.
Transmission issues, valve issues, stock stereo would sometimes make a loud "bang" sound, paint pealed off.
It was one nasty car that was hard to get in & out of and wasn't particularly powerful.
You should have no problem finding one in California.
Make the trip out and stop by as many wrecking yards to get all the parts you need that may be missing from the one you buy.
The Tupperware interior seems to warp easily and pieces fall off.
I am sure you could put one back together.
sw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6334 times:
Airstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1860 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6319 times:
See?? I told you it was ill-conceived.
I guess I just needed some backup.
So now, here I am at square one. What kind car should I get?
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6301 times:
I'm moving towards the cash side. I figure a car with a 10 year 100K warranty is going to make life more interesting in the OTHER things I can do with the wife & grandkids. That leads me to Korean cars. And I can cut the price even more by buying an end of model year (with incentives) or a demo.
Want a bit more fun? Move up to a Mazda 3 type car, with driving pleasure thrown in.
If you want to splurge on a car then read a lot of reviews. Edmunds, Road & Track, Car & Driver, Motor Trend, etc.
ramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6274 times:
Buy a 1980s BMW M3. If you can find one completely maintained or buy one and fix it up yourself it would be amazing.
I personally have a thing for BMW, and I find that the new ones have become boringly common. A 1980s M3 is a much more noticeable site these days than a 2010 M3. It also costs much less and feels a lot more raw (for lack of a better term).
You could also look at some vintage Challengers or Mustangs or even Corvettes, I'm talking 1960s. Of course there's always the Dodge Viper, but again your budget will make half the decision for you if not more. Also keep in mind the relationship between your income and how thirsty your engine will be.
I know these two brothers who have a Challenger and a GTO, both from the 1960s, both in beyond excellent condition. To be fair I see them working and maintaining quite often, but what I feel just driving by them is enough reward, let alone being inside one and listening to that engine roar.
Is my perception of what you're looking for somewhat accurate? Good luck.
There will come a time when you believe everything is finished - that will be the beginning.
Jpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1016 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6219 times:
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter): Eagle Talon these days?!? When's the last time you saw one?
If you know cars, you see them all the time. The only thing exotic about it would be the bills. Nice and expensive as everything blows to pieces, as every single tuner-boy has had a shot at 'em.
Fly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6202 times:
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
OK. Now, how reliable are Eagle Tala, how often do they break down, where the heck do you get parts, do the Chrysler shops even work on the blamed things anymore, and...probably most relevant of all, what the heck other kind of car should I buy instead, since I have a feeling that this get-a-Talon fetish is ill-conceived and that I could make a much better, if somewhat less colorful, car-buying decision.
Yeah uhm no. Turd of a car. I've NEVER seen one in decent condition. They're all beat up and smoking. Sounds like you're looking for a car you want to have a connection with but I guarantee you'll be disappointed. Not to mention the only people driving those ugly things are boy racers and the rice burner fans.
Quoting ramzi (Reply 9): Buy a 1980s BMW M3. If you can find one completely maintained or buy one and fix it up yourself it would be amazing.
I've always dreamt of getting an original E30 M3. Would be a great daily driver and awesome track car.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8): Want a bit more fun? Move up to a Mazda 3 type car, with driving pleasure thrown in.
I've driven the Mazda 3 and its nothing special, it's very bland, as with all Asian cars. Even the MazdaSpeed 3 is pretty unremarkable, aside form ridiculous amounts of torque steer.
The only fun cars I've ever driven (and I've driven plenty) have always been European, or more specifically, German.
If you want something reasonably affordable that's fun to drive, look into the VW Golf, or even better, a VW GTI.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6178 times:
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11): I've driven the Mazda 3 and its nothing special, it's very bland, as with all Asian cars. Even the MazdaSpeed 3 is pretty unremarkable, aside form ridiculous amounts of torque steer.
The only fun cars I've ever driven (and I've driven plenty) have always been European, or more specifically, German.
If you want something reasonably affordable that's fun to drive, look into the VW Golf, or even better, a VW GTI.
I was comparing the Mazda to other cars in the group - like the Corolla.
We were close to buying a VW a few years ago until an owner told us to avoid the dealer as their service was in the pits.
I also like BMWs - owned a '68 2002 which was a ball to drive. However it was BMW's first year in the US and my 2002 had the worst cooling system of any car I've driven. Even Yugo owners had better cooling systems their first year. Bo AC possible and the only thing BMW did was to send us a larger fan - which was installed by the dealer. Service costs were just as painful, which is why BMW is said to mean "Bring My Wallet".
For a VW, check service costs and parts costs.
Again, it's an issue of what is most important to you - driving a flashy car or having the cash for other things.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14352 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6162 times:
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter): I mean really, who else has an Eagle Talon these days?!?
17 year old D-Bags who wear an upside down visor.
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter): OK. Now, how reliable are Eagle Tala, how often do they break down, where the heck do you get parts,
If I recall correctly, the Talon is basically a rebadged Eclipse so resources and parts probably aren't too hard to find, but I can't say for sure.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 5): The Internet never ceases to amaze me
Quoting Superfly (Reply 5): My ex-girlfriend had the Mitsubishi variant; Eclipse.
Oh but the Eclipse girls are usually hot, but not as smart as Jeep girls. At least until you are 30, at which point you transition to Range Rover moms.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12): Even Yugo owners had better cooling systems their first year.
Only in the winter.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6066 times:
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 14): Another beamer I've always wanted to have.
Get a later model. I think BMW hired some Yank engineers who understood Southern Heat in the US. You'd also get better bumpers - which was another frustration. Little old ladies managed to hit every corner when we were parked in parking lots.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8418 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6059 times:
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
I've driven the Mazda 3 and its nothing special, it's very bland, as with all Asian cars. Even the MazdaSpeed 3 is pretty unremarkable, aside form ridiculous amounts of torque steer.
I own a 3 and it's cheaper than a GTI and just as fun to drive. Certainly better than a Korean or the other Japanese economy cars. My mom just bought a TDI Jetta wagon and I test drove the Golf, so I have experience with both, and the 5-cylinder Golf has less power than my 3 and the GTI costs thousands more to get it comparably equipped.
Granted, mine's a six speed, but it's definitely not bland, either in driving dynamics or styling. And a much better choice than an Eagle Talon. I had a friend with an Eclipse back in high school and I wasn't impressed with his ride. A used 3 would also be cheaper than a new one if Airstud wanted to save money.
LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6051 times:
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter): To get to the point: I want an Eagle Talon. I want an Eagle Talon for the same wack reason that I do my personal bookkeeping on a 1993 PowerBook using an irrationally customized program I wrote myself in MPW Pascal, for the same reason that I've traveled across the United States by train three times despite having no fear of flying, for the same reason that I pay all my bills and conduct personal correspondence using paper and fountain yes FOUNTAIN pen: my love of distancing myself from convention.
I mean really, who else has an Eagle Talon these days?!? When's the last time you saw one? So if I had one, that would be an exotic sight and then people's days will have had a touch of something exotic and I would feel awesome knowing I had brought that to them; that I have helped in the fight against monotony, mainstreamery, and drabness.
Wanting a car this badly is not a good thing. That's how people end up paying more for a car than they should. Not that you're going to have much of a selection since the Talon was discontinued years ago after a limited production run.
Indeed. I would love a 2002Tii, or a Turbo, but they're very rare, and pretty darn expensive, but damn they look like they'd be so fun to drive.
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
I own a 3 and it's cheaper than a GTI and just as fun to drive
The 3 may be better than your average garden variety Asian appliance on four wheels for sure, but putting it in the same league as a GTI? No way. Maybe equal to a mark 4 GTI, if anything, which isn't saying much. And yes, I have several thousand miles on a GTI.
I must say though IF I were to get an Asian car, it would be a Mazda. They're the only Asian brand that I think can give some of the lower end Euro models a run for their money.
No, no and NO!
Very expensive upkeep. Those are such poser cars anyway.
Those cars just scream;"I just wanted a bmw so bad that I was willing to settle for this old trashy maintenance hog".
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13): Oh but the Eclipse girls are usually hot, but not as smart as Jeep girls.
She was very attractive and very smart.
The Eclipse was her first car, then she matured and moved up to a Ford Mustang.
Airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6031 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13): 17 year old D-Bags who wear an upside down visor.
The founding fathers of the USA saw this coming and thats why they gave us the right to bear arms...
I will just casually plug the Nissan Sentra...fairly cheap ($) car, really great gas mileage, lots of standard items, and after 2 years with mine, not a single cent to be spent on anything broken. Also, easy to park in city (fits anywhere), and a fun ride with your choice of CVT or 6-sp manual (like mine). I will admit the manual is a piece of shat (doesn't time very well, and the shifter is higher up than in most cars) but hey...little sacrifice for 30+ mpg in city/highway combined.
TSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6019 times:
Quoting ramzi (Reply 9): Buy a 1980s BMW M3. If you can find one completely maintained or buy one and fix it up yourself it would be amazing.
I personally have a thing for BMW, and I find that the new ones have become boringly common. A 1980s M3 is a much more noticeable site these days than a 2010 M3. It also costs much less and feels a lot more raw (for lack of a better term).
Generic Yuppie-mobiles, and exactly the type of car Airstud is trying to avoid.
Quoting ramzi (Reply 9): You could also look at some vintage Challengers or Mustangs or even Corvettes, I'm talking 1960s.
1960's Mustangs are very expensive for decent examples, but at least parts for them are cheap and plentiful. 1960's Corvettes were very expensive when new and they've only gotten moreso since then; decent examples fetch stratospheric prices plus parts are high-priced too. The original Dodge Challenger was only built from 1970 until 1974 and began being called "collectible" the day after production stopped, so they're absurdly overpriced for what you get as well. If one wants to go the "antique car" route, '67-'73 Mercury Cougars are mechanically identical to Mustangs yet their market value is substantially lower. '71-'74 Dodge Chargers are mechanically identical to '70-'74 Challengers except that they have a longer wheelbase, a usable trunk (Challenger trunks are astonishingly tiny and make even 1970's Camaro and Firebird trunks look roomy in comparison), plus there were a whole lot more Chargers produced than Challengers. Except the Corvettes, all these cars are prone to body rust even in non-snow areas, so a Minnesota example would probably have more rust and Bondo than steel in it's body by now.
Quoting Jpax (Reply 10): Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
Eagle Talon these days?!? When's the last time you saw one?
If you know cars, you see them all the time. The only thing exotic about it would be the bills. Nice and expensive as everything blows to pieces, as every single tuner-boy has had a shot at 'em.
Yep, Jpax is correct: Eclipses and Talons were some of the original "ricer" must-have cars, which would make it next to impossible to find an un-molested example. Furthermore, Mitsubishis prior to 2000 or so were known for great engineering that was very poorly executed in production, so even one that was lovingly maintained is likely to be falling apart on it's own by now.
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38511 posts, RR: 80 Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6007 times:
Quoting TSS (Reply 21): '67-'73 Mercury Cougars are mechanically identical to Mustangs yet their market value is substantially lower.
Great suggestion as I've always loved the Cougar over the Mustang's of that generation.
Quoting TSS (Reply 21): it next to impossible to find an un-molested example.
even one that was lovingly maintained is likely to be falling apart on it's own by now.
Very true.
My ex-girlfriend's was a perfect example of a well maintained car that just feel apart.
She and her father did everything right. Oil changes, tune-ups and other inspections often as well as washed the car weekly. The car just feel apart piece by piece.
Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 20): The founding fathers of the USA saw this coming and thats why they gave us the right to bear arms...
Molykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 30 Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6007 times:
Quoting ramzi (Reply 9): Buy a 1980s BMW M3. If you can find one completely maintained or buy one and fix it up yourself it would be amazing.
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
I've always dreamt of getting an original E30 M3. Would be a great daily driver and awesome track car.
The E30 M3 would be one of the first cars that I'd buy if I came into a large amount of money. However, it's not a car that I'd recommend to most people. (1) If you're in a position where you really want one, you probably are informed enough to know what you're getting into and (2) It's a real ownership commitment.
You can quite easily pay $20k+ for a car that "looks pretty good considering its age", but this is likely to be an example with ~150k+ miles on the odometer. Though it's a great car, I have a hard time recommending one to someone who isn't already educated on the model and/or "knows" that he/she wants one.
I've been looking at cars with a coworker friend who is probably going to "collect all 4" M3s. He just got an E92, has had an E46 for a couple years, and we test drove one of the nicer E36 models I've seen yesterday (a 1999 with 40k miles). The E30 M3 - like the Acura NSX, Porsche 993, and even E36 M3 are cars sell at prices significantly above what they objectively seem to be worth "on paper". The reason for these "inflated" costs is simply that these are "special" cars to many enthusiasts (myself included), though it's tough to explain to a disinterested person (or non-gear-head) why he/she should shell out big money when similar "on paper" performance can be had in a newer and more reliable vehicle for the same or less money.
As above, I think the E30 M3 is a sweet car. However, the buying market seems filled with die hard enthusiasts willing to spend money and doesn't offer much from any objective value standpoint.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
No, no and NO!
Very expensive upkeep. Those are such poser cars anyway.
Those cars just scream;"I just wanted a bmw so bad that I was willing to settle for this old trashy maintenance hog".
I'd give you "expensive upkeep". You're way off base on the other comments. The E30 is much the opposite of what you assert as it's a modestly equipped car and not much of a head turner unless you're a BMW buff who would recognize a really nice/special one that rolled by. Older BMWs are prized for the purity of their driving experience with much less weight than newer models and fewer driver aids.
Molykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 30 Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6000 times:
Quoting TSS (Reply 21): Generic Yuppie-mobiles, and exactly the type of car Airstud is trying to avoid.
The E30 M3 is anything but a "generic" car. There is currently a single example for sale on ebay and it's rusted through in several places, has a disassembled engine, interior stripped, and is still going to sell for at least several thousand dollars based on current auction status.
The E30 M3 is also something of a historic piece considering the motivations behind its birth and the reverence that has been held for the machine over the last 20+ years.
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25 Fly2HMO: Speaking of the devil: Precisely. Any of these not in the hands of a gearhead would be a total waste. Agreed. And as for fewer driver aids, which one
26 francoflier: What about Hondas? If you could manage to find a decent, unmodified CRX or Civic coupe, you'd get a reliable, economical and relatively fun runabout.
27 Molykote: ABS is a driver aid, though I think we both understand my fundamental point.
28 MD-90: You're right. I paid $20,799 for my Mazda 3s with tech pkg. & sunroof/Bose option. The equivalent 4-door GTI, with nav, Dynon audio, and sunroof/
29 Fly2HMO: Obviously, however, did the original E30 even have it? Of course.
30 Superfly: It is so identical to the 318 of that era. I can barely tell the difference. Id put those in the same category as the entry level 3-series bmw of the
31 Molykote: http://ateupwithmotor.com/sports-car...cafe-society-racer-bmw-e30-m3.html To complement the hotter engine, Motorsport also made extensive modification
32 BMI727: They aren't that expensive to buy, but maintenance may be another matter. When I get out of college and start making some money an old NSX is my drea
33 Superfly: What's so beautiful about looking bland? I'd rather have a Toyota Corolla from that era instead of the 318.[Edited 2010-08-05 22:06:08]
34 Fly2HMO: Ah interesting. I definitely would've expected all the other goodies but not ABS, it just seems hard to find in cars of that age or earlier. Ti's not
35 Ken777: Just an odd thought: Find some hot car from the 80s and have a few nightmares thinking about how some lead footed kids (of any age) have been tearing
36 Superfly: Happens all the time. Well considering he likes the Eagle Talon he must like to work on a car that isn't reliable so the bmw 3-series may be the righ
37 BMI727: Not all fast cars have to be the equivalent of waving one's wang around. Not that there's anything wrong with that (that is driving a flashy performa
38 TSS: According to much-hated Wikipedia, modern computerized 3-channel, 4-sensor, all-wheel ABS was first offered on the 1971 Chrysler Imperial, under the
39 Superfly: ...and even earlier on the 1968 Lincoln Mark III. It was called 'Sure-Trac' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Continental_Mark_III That maybe true
40 TSS: True, but "Sure-Trac" (or "Sure-Trak", or "Sure-Track") was a much less sophisticated system that only operated on the rear wheels/brakes. http://ate
42 ltbewr: What have you been smoking or drinking up their in Minnesota? First you want an Eagle Talon, now you want a car that while cute (and probably not imp
43 BMI727: It has been established (via a highly scientific test ) that British Leyland never built a good car.
44 TSS: Wow. While I have no first-hand experience of older British cars, they do have something of a reputation in the US for harboring electrical gremlins,
45 BMI727: An Alfa Romeo would be a great choice. There is a pretty good community of Alfisti and the cars are seem to be great fun for the most part, although
46 Superfly: You're just begging for punishment. If you want a small and stylish unreliable car, you should go for a Chrysler LeBaron convertible. I had a 1987 mo
47 BMI727: Save the money and get yourself a Yugo. Plus, they are easier to push.
48 Superfly: Sorry, I forgot to show you a Woody in my previous post.
49 BMI727: There had better be a car in that picture.
51 Fly2HMO: My dad had one just like this one: Major turd. As with all J/K Chrysler platforms. Started falling apart after 40k miles. The only somewhat cool thin
52 2H4: If you like 90's-era turbocharged sports cars, perhaps consider a late-model, 2nd-generation Toyota MR-2.
53 fbgdavidson: Why focus so much on retail? Unless you're planning on running it into the ground then the resale is more important. Mazdas and Korean cars (yeah, I
55 Fly2HMO: Jeez you have some major automotive A.D.D. Pick a car and stick to it. Go on some test drives before anything. NEVER rely on looks alone.
56 Superfly: I'd take that over a Talon/Eclipse. I did that with the Lebaron and got burned.
57 BMI727: No you don't. Do yourself a favor and get a Yugo instead.
58 Superfly: Not sure about that. Even though the Yugo was sold in the US, the factory that build them in what was Yugoslavia has been destroyed in the war back i
59 Molykote: An E30 M3 is certainly obtainable for many people. However, my earlier example (based on BMW CCA ads, etc) is certainly realistic... $20-25k for a "d
60 IH8BY: But it's RWD! What's not to like? Plus it's a very basic car - it may well be British, but there isn't really a lot that can go wrong with a Minor, b
61 Superfly: They're all in San Francisco now. That is the 'in' car to have among the hipsters.
62 TSS: Heh-heh-heh... I think what you meant to say is that there isn't a lot of minor things that can go wrong with a Minor; Anything that breaks or stops
63 IH8BY: Nope, I stand by what I said - there isn't a lot that can go wrong, because there isn't a lot to the car. What I didn't say, admittedly, was that - i
64 Aesma: About the E30 M3, I like it too, and it's nothing like a 318, all body panels are specific ! But not all 318 are bad either, I wouldn't mind an E30 31
65 exFATboy: Ah yes, the rental car fleet convertible of choice for many years...I rented several of them in Florida, and one that I drove from San Francisco to L
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