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British Foreign Policy: What?  
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 861 times:

Excellent 'Paxman' interview with Tony, with special emphasis on our relations with America.

Check out www.bbc.co.uk/newsnight, click on 'latest programme'; you'll need realplayer. Live now. Rather interesting!

Other topics: Pim Fortuyn's impact on Europe.

Anti-Semitism in Europe: exaggerated or real?

Check it out, and BE INFORMED!  Big thumbs up

Cheers

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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7961 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 811 times:

Blair (on the National Health System):
If you asked for a ball park figure, it wouldn't be an accurate one.
Paxman:
Because you don't know.
Blair:
Because for the reasons I'm giving you.

Paxman:
If you do know, you could tell us.

This Paxman truly knows how to play hardball  Big thumbs up

Interesting interview but I didn't come across questions on foreign affairs or anti-semitism in Europe in this first part?

Regards,
NoUFO



I support the right to arm bears
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 799 times:

Hi, if you click on 'latest progamme' (right-hand side) that *should* give you the second interview (aired tonight) (the 1st one was on our domestic agenda, and was aired yesterday).

Yes, Paxman is well-known for getting down to the nitty-gritty, which is why many politicians seem to turn-down so many interviews with him!

Cheers


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Here you go http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/latest.ram

VERY interesting-check out Blair and his remarks!


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 782 times:

Anybody rememember the classic Paxman interview with Michael Howard when he asked him the same question about 20 times in a row, and Howard wouldn't answer it?

Paxman is the most evil interviewer about. It's especially entertaining when he does overseas politicians who are clearly unaware of what they are getting themselves into.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 773 times:

Can someone post a brief summary of the main points so I don't have to torment myself with listening to the whole thing?

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 770 times:

RogueTrader: I strongly recommend that you watch it. A précis posted here would deny you the chance to see Blair try to wriggle his way off the hook. It's an entertaining (and telling) interview!

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 765 times:

Yes RT, watch before its replaced this evening at 2230 British Summer Time (GMT +1).

You don't have to wait long; the opening caption should be interesting to you, as an American citizen (and us, as one of your main allies..)

Cheers


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 763 times:

Toady,

Thanks for the encouragement. Its 0429 in the morning here and watching it might put me over the edge into certain long-term insanity. I think I'll go to the drive-thru at Whataburger instead. I'll try to watch it later.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 763 times:

RT, the thing about Paxman is that his interview style is unlike anyone in the US. It isn't remotely respectful - he just goes for the throat every time.

Incidentally, he also presents University Challenge (I think College Bowl is your equivalent) and frequently tells the students how stupid they are. It isn't a cod disapproval a la Anne Robinson, he means to be nasty and vindictive.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineVickybiccy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 212 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 758 times:

Yes, Paxman is well-known for getting down to the nitty-gritty, which is why many politicians seem to turn-down so many interviews with him!

I don't know if you're being ironic with your use of "nitty gritty". The Police Federation Conference is on at the moment and they have told politicians that they are not allowed to use that term any more as it is deemed to be racist.

Does anyone actually know what it means?


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 746 times:

I didn't know that; I guess some people must have used it in a derogatory fashion against some minority....shame, what is this world coming to when we get things like this being discussed?  Sad

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 739 times:
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Go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1988000/1988776.stm

The beginning of that page is:

nitty-gritty • n, The fundamentals, realities or basic facts of a situation or subject. The heart of the matter.

ORIGIN: according to the Oxford English Dictionary Online, the term started as US slang but its origin is unknown. Editor of the Dictionary of Slang, Jonathon Green, speculates it is merely a reduplication of the standard English word gritty.

ORIGIN 2: one theory is that "nitty-gritty" refers to the debris left in the bottom of a slave ships at the end of a voyage. Hence, use of the term is highly contentious and has been banned by the police.


David/MAN


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 738 times:

What term are you guys talking about? "nitty-gritty"?

...and what minority is offended?

RT



User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 733 times:

My dictionary says it didn't appear until 1963, so I don't think it could relate to slave ships.

http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=nitty-gritty

Also, how can the police 'ban' words? To whom does the ban apply? What if they banned 'RogueTrader'???

kind regards,

RogueTrader



User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 730 times:

By 'debris' left at the bottom of slave ships, it means dead slaves who perished during the voyage! Hence it's offensive connotation. 'Lets get down to the nitty-gritty' takes on a whole new light if considered in this context!!!


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 727 times:

Does UK have a foreign policy? My impression is that they always ask US first.

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 722 times:

Perhaps you believe the UK has been asking US opinion about Gibraltar, Krushny?  Yeah sure




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User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 706 times:

The Strait of Gibraltar is a strategic place to NATO interests. I am sure that US will have a say over any agreement between UK and Spain .

User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 699 times:

LOL! Like the US would be foolish enough to get involved on that one. (Then again, never say die.)

The strategic importance of the Pillars of Hercules doesn't give the US the right to tell either the UK or Spain what to do!!! This is for the two countries (and perhaps the EU, their common bond) to sort out.

The US has no right to a "say" over what happens on the stretch... it will not "descend into chaos" even if Spain was ever to get it back!


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 684 times:

I think Blair is a bit of a maverick regarding foreign policy, a bit like Thatcher was.
By this I mean he probably often departs from the conventional Foreign Office line.
Note how low-key his Foreign Secretaries have been.
His keenness for intervention has led to Blair being called 'Lord Palmerston' by the civil service at defence and foreign affairs, after the 19th century exponent of 'gunboat diplomacy'.
This became apparent in Kosovo in 1999, face it, he was the only NATO leader who was really happy with the operation.
When the political restrictions were badly hampering the air campaign, plus Clinton and other NATO leaders vetoing the possibility of using ground troops, Blair asked the Ministry Of Defence to prepare plans for a ground attack.
Hopefully this would embarrass the rest of NATO into joining in, if it became necessary.
But if not, the planning had to take account of that, if that meant putting more than half of the British Army into the field, (and virtually all of it's heavy armour), so be it.
I've friends at the MoD who say that the planning was deadly serious.
Some in the US media, and probably a few on Capitol Hill too, sneered that Blair wanted glory paid for with American soldiers lives, how wrong they were!
But then the Serbs broke, and gave up the fight.
God knows what Gordon Brown makes of all this, it's reported that he has been lukewarm towards the extent of support for the US since
Sept. 11th.



User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 679 times:
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Whoaa.....Blair was rattled by Paxman! But as usual, Blair is an expert in answering questions without actualy saying yes or no or saying anything that could be splashed on the front pages.

Arsenal@LHR



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 668 times:

Yes, GDB, I've always understood it to be the case that the planning for the Balkans ground war was in deadly earnest. Blair's view was that the air campaign wasn't working, and ground forces needed to be put in. When the other members of NATO didn't agree, essentially saying "well, if that is what you think, why don't you put your own forces in", he decided to do just that. It is worth noting that at the same time as it became apparent that Blair was to all intents and purposes preparing a British invasion force of up to 50,000 troops, Milosevic finally caved in.

That may or may not be co-incidence, but it hardly sounds like the behaviour of an American poodle, whether you agree with him or not.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 664 times:
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The George Bush "poodle" thing is just another one of those media inventions. Dont take it too seriously.

Arsenal@LHR



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 648 times:

Rogue Trader: Newsnight is shown on one of the C-SPAN chanels in my area. Probably in your area as well.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 641 times:

More fun and games on tonight's interview...check it out...very entertaining.

Is it me, or does Tony have a habit of saying "Well, you know" ???!!

Cheers!...


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