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USA To Charge British Tourists To Travel To US  
User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

US to charge £9 for Esta compulsory travel entry form

The US government is to start charging UK travellers $14 (£9) to apply for permission to enter the country.

The compulsory Electronic System for Travel Authorisation (Esta) is free at present, but from 9 September visitors to the US will have to pay for it.

It lasts for two years; people who already have a valid form will not have to pay until their current one expires.

The scheme was introduced in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10899968


So for your family of four for the Florida vacation your holiday just went up £36 / $56 gotta love the special relationship  
Should a reciprocal fee be introduced for US citizens visiting the UK?


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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

I remember the hassle when ESTA first came out, and a lot of support for it claimed that "it took 2 minutes, and it's free". So much for the "visa waiver program", seems similar to an electronic visa if you ask me.

User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Quoting oa260 (Thread starter):
Should a reciprocal fee be introduced for US citizens visiting the UK?

Absolutely. All the Visa Waiver Countries need to do this.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15480 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

I don't see the point of it other than to dissuade Brits from coming here.

Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
So much for the "visa waiver program", seems similar to an electronic visa if you ask me.

  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

First this does not just apply to just British, but ALL 30-odd visa-waiver countries.

Secondly, this fee when introduced has enjoyed the broadest support across the political spectrum, airlines and travel community of anything I can remember in recent years, and is meant to self support international tourism efforts without taxing any US industries or US citizens directly.

Quoting oa260 (Thread starter):
Should a reciprocal fee be introduced for US citizens visiting the UK?

In reality a lot of European nations already have such fees, but they are built into things like hotel rates, car rental fees and not openly seen.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6654 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
In reality a lot of European nations already have such fees, but they are built into things like hotel rates, car rental fees and not openly seen.

I'd like to see you prove that! There are lots of fees when hiring a car in the US and you also pay tax on hotel rental, this new fee is a double hit, I for one hope that visa waiver countries start taxing US tourists as well, what is good for one is good for all.

What next, dropping visa waiver and re-introduce visa's for everyone visitng the US?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
I'd like to see you prove that!

Many countries have tourism, or promotional taxes. For instance I was recently doing some business with Austria and such national fee is built into lodging rates, which after a 30-day consecutive stay is waived.
Other countries I know has such tourism a fees of the top of my head are Turkey and Mexico. In Mexico's case one buys a "tourist card" for $20 odd dollars if your are visiting beyond the "border zone" for more then 72 hours. For air travelers, this fee is built into airline tickets, but if you are in a car for instance you purchase them either at inland immigration check points, or even banks. The money for the tourist card goes to fund tourism related development and infrastructure cost.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
this new fee is a double hit

Not really as all those other fees might be various local charges, such as local cities, counties, agencies or airports charge. This fee is something else being implemented on the Federal government level to international visitors with a very specific end funding use
So basically look at it this way. Instead of maybe previously paying 10-odd fees for various air travel, hotels or car rental you now pay 11. Would you prefer the fee be buried in your airline ticket instead?

[Edited 2010-08-07 03:21:53]


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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 2):
Absolutely. All the Visa Waiver Countries need to do this.

Well one, Australia, already does. How many other countries do?

Gemuser



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User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting oa260 (Thread starter):
US to charge £9 for Esta compulsory travel entry form

The US government is to start charging UK travellers $14 (£9) to apply for permission to enter the country.

SUGAR! I'm going on the 24th September, does that mean I have to pay, or can I apply now for the ESTA and not get charged for the travel date which is after the 9th?

I need to go to america one last time before it closes to visitors completly


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

I think Obama is playing a game to see how much contempt for the US he can stoke in the minds of Britons.

User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
In reality a lot of European nations already have such fees, but they are built into things like hotel rates, car rental fees and not openly seen.

When they put that Esta thing in I just thought to myself, I don't want the hassle of applying for a visa online, I prefer even to fill in a card on the plane instead and already thought "Why are they making it harder" But I came around to the idea if it's a one off time that you need to apply for it and get to keep it for years (If that's true) But then adding fee's on makes me feel they want to shut the borders. I didn't like Mexico when I found out we had to pay to get out of the country. Why can't they just put the fee's up at the tourist locations on food and put it in the final price.  


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Quoting fca767 (Reply 8):
I'm going on the 24th September, does that mean I have to pay, or can I apply now for the ESTA and not get charged for the travel date which is after the 9th?

You can apply for free now and your permission will be valid for two years.

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/esta.html?language=en

Oh, and if any of the information in your passport has changed since you applied and were granted a travel permission, you need to fill in another application. Which you can still do for free.  Wink

[Edited 2010-08-07 03:40:10]


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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 9):


I think Obama is playing a game to see how much contempt for the US he can stoke in the minds of Britons
Quoting fca767 (Reply 10):
When they put that Esta thing in I just thought to myself, I don't want the hassle of applying for a visa online
Quoting fca767 (Reply 10):
already thought "Why are they making it harder" But I came around to the idea if it's a one off time that you need to apply for it and get to keep it for years (If that's true) But then adding fee's on makes me feel they want to shut the borders

Are you both for real?

I have just travelled thru the USA, the ESTA was the easiest thing in the world to use and took 2 seconds for approval to come back. Compare that to Russia (where I am writting this from), it took two weeks to get and longer than 2 seconds to activate it at the boarder (Vyborg) and then at each city St Petersberg & Moscow (fortunately the hotels do it for you, but it takes them longer then 2 seconds).

As for a $14 dollar fee? Compared to the Russians $110 its nothing and it's valid for two years and my Russian visa is for a single entry and is valid until 22/8/10. And you Pommies (and everyone else) have been paying more than that to come here for years, why get particularly mad at the USA?

Gemuser



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5169 times:
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Quoting gemuser (Reply 12):
And you Pommies (and everyone else) have been paying more than that to come here for years, why get particularly mad at the USA?

We are their "special friend" and wouldn't expect this friendship to lead to that!


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

In some countries in east Asia, you have to pay when you leave the country. I think Thailand and China do this if I remember correctly, and probably more.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
In some countries in east Asia, you have to pay when you leave the country. I think Thailand and China do this if I remember correctly, and probably more.

Yes, the famous "airport tax" - popular in Latin America as well. I don't know what the land borders are like, though.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
I for one hope that visa waiver countries start taxing US tourists as well, what is good for one is good for all.

Of course they must, how else can any country encourage tourism?  Wow! You guys did not like our Bingle (where the bloody hell are you? and you liked Australia and Bazz even less it seems), so how do you like our fees?


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 13):

We are their "special friend" and wouldn't expect this friendship to lead to that

And we are not? David, you wound me!  

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 17):
Quoting david_itl (Reply 13):

We are their "special friend" and wouldn't expect this friendship to lead to that

And we are not? David, you wound me!

Actually that friendship is very soon going to come down to how the Kookaburra swings for the England leather flingers rather than import fees. Actually going to the UK any fees are likely to be dwarfed by the fuel levy. So what is to worry about - says he shuffling his EU and Aus passports?


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3841 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Secondly, this fee when introduced has enjoyed the broadest support across the political spectrum, airlines and travel community of anything I can remember in recent years, and is meant to self support international tourism efforts without taxing any US industries or US citizens directly

Of course it enjoyed broad support--because it doesn't affect americans directly. Its easy to support a tax or added fees when you are not the one that's going to be paying for it.

Would not be surprised to see the Brits do a tit-for-tat measure.

Completely stupid if you ask me.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Quoting oa260 (Thread starter):
Should a reciprocal fee be introduced for US citizens visiting the UK?

Sure! I have no problem with paying for it as long as the prices match the UK price ($14USD or £9) across the board. It is only fair.......



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

This Esta entry 'pass' is a way to make sure of the security of the USA, especially with the growing threat of terrorism on flights or in our country using citizens or legal residents of 'visa waiver' countries. As to the fee, it does cost some amount to process the paperwork and to verify identity of persons and taxpayers no longer want to foot those costs so our Politicans decide to add these fees forgetting the potential negative affects on tourism.

Further as to the UK, there may be other factors. The UK is the home of a number of potential terrorists who are citizens and there may be additional costs as unlike any other visa waiver countries. The UK does not have a National ID card and may not have a cheap or easily accessable database to veriry identiy, we may have to use paid services who's costs have to be covered. It is a lot better and far less costly to the USA and the airlines to make sure people are pre-cleared and their paperwork processed before they board a flight then have to land in Canada or turn back to the UK to remove the questionable person with those huge costs.

I expect that the UK will start to charge a fee or add on to their already obscenely high airport fees.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6729 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Americans are used to paying fees, they do it all the time in the Caribbean, the bulk of the countries have Departure Taxes - Airport tax - including the cruise ships, the cruise industry usually builds the fees into the package. Now where you Europeans have had it good over the rest of the world is that you do not have to fork out in excess of $100.00+ US non-refundable to get a visa, with no guarantee that you will get it, or even if it will be for one month or 10 years.
If you get a visa for 10 years it becoms a one time fee, but if given for a couple months, you pay the price again if another trip is required after it expires.


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6654 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
where the bloody hell are you?

God she was yummy, I loved that ad.



User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
where the bloody hell are you?

God she was yummy, I loved that ad.

As they say, no thread is any good without pictures!! Bit of a Bingle in the wedding stakes though!


25 MD11Engineer : In theb Philippines they have a "Travel Tax", which is charged at the airport, additionally to the airport tax (which is basically a fee for airport
26 oa260 : Very true and this special relationship is one sided but more Brits everyday are starting to realise this fact. The same with the Irish they are seei
27 Post contains images fca767 : I'm not a pommie I can't believe it, someone in a Hostel in Collandra said that to me too...they were being a bit funny with me though I think. But I
28 Post contains links fca767 : I remember this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn0lwGk4u9o
29 LTU932 : I'm not sure, but I believe the exit tax (impuesto de salida), as it is called in Costa Rica, also does not apply for exiting the country via its lan
30 MAH4546 : Americans are already paying to visit Europe with the absolutely ridiculous taxes that Europe - the UK and France especially - charge on airfare and h
31 Ken777 : No. The Pound's exchange rate to the Dollar is sufficient punishment. From my few trips to NZ (which I totally enjoyed, by the way) I seem to remembe
32 LTU932 : And beware, Germany wants to introduce a new aviation tax themselves, and the airlines (including LH) are already expressing their outrage over that.
33 Post contains images ajd1992 : It's always been bad, it's not really like it's a new thing. The way I see it is this: You're paying (more than likely) in excess of £1500 all in to
34 aa61hvy : I paid $50 usd to enter Indonesia... Big deal.
35 Aeroflot777 : Come on... are you serious? $14 is going to be a deal-breaker to travel across the pond? Give me a break!
36 dxing : As a non-rever when I leave the UK I get hit for as much as $176 USD in departure taxes depending on which class I fly.
37 gemuser : Not true! From (1 July ?) certainly by 13 July 2010 when I arrived in LAX, VWP citizens don't fill in I94W, only Customs/Quarrintine form. Caused som
38 Lufthansa411 : Yes that is correct. From what I have heard, they are phasing out those horrible I-94 slips over the current summer on a rolling basis. The problem (
39 Post contains links Baroque : Just as well we have not gone back to the "good old days" then! I remember well the day that it dropped from US$4.00 to the GBP to a truly dreadful 2
40 Post contains images fca767 : Please give me $2.00 to the pound
41 Baroque : Indeed, but for a long time 5 bob was called a dollar in slang terms. Calling 7.14 shillings a dollar somehow never seemed to catch on!
42 PanHAM : No, they don't. You have to compare apples with apples and peaches with peaches. There is no single EU country that charges a Visa fee to US travelle
43 Post contains images fca767 : It's at $1.52 now, if I can just get that bugger up to $1.65, I'd have more to spend lol...
44 Post contains images RobertNL070 : All kinds of griping and moaning here. The thing that irks is that $14.00/£9.00/€10.50 is being charged for a form that you are compelled to fill
45 LAXintl : No I'm not comparing apples and peaches at all. The US fee attached to the ESTA is meant for national tourism promotions. Some European nations have
46 DocLightning : Ensure the security? Gosh golly gee, with all this "security" I'd expect that the threat of terrorism would be SHRINKING, not growing!
47 Braybuddy : Any taxes built into hotel rates, car fees, flights are paid by everybody, including locals. The ESTA fee applies only to foreigners.
48 PanHAM : LOL, I'm overwhelmed , I have to pay for a promotion I don't need since I book my airfare hotels and rental car on the net without any promotion and
49 474218 : Trinidad charges you a $20 US departure tax. However, they way they let you enter for free.
50 LTU932 : What Australia charges for an electronic visa is a visa fee, but what the US wants to charge VWP eligible citizens for travelling into the US can, an
51 LAXintl : Which is the exact intent. Let tourism fund itself, and not divert funds from other causes, or be a burden on other industries. A percentage of the r
52 BMI727 : Why can't they market themselves?
53 KiwiRob : Locals have to pay as well, this stupid fee in only charged to tourists not US citizens, it would be perfectly ok in my book if this charge and the s
54 Braybuddy : No argument here: it's a tax targeting non-nationals, but you were comparing it to European sales taxes, which target everybody.
55 Post contains images PanHAM : as said before, airport users fees are not comparable with US entry fees, or as they call it ESTA fees. The ESTA fee is solely for non US residents.
56 Post contains links and images flood : I tend to think it has garnered such amazing support in the US primarily because 100% of the revenues come from foreigners "International travelers s
57 flood : OK, great. So charge the $4 administrative fee. The bulk of it, however, is being spent on travel promotion.
58 offloaded : No you do not. I have twice carried my ESTA printout just in case "the computer was down" or something. I had heard that some airlines were asking fo
59 PanHAM : OMG, how scary. FYI - the 9/11 terrorists who lived as expat students in Germany had to apply for Visa and obviously got visas issued by the consulat
60 Post contains images bestwestern : Do you gave to give a 20% tip with the ESTA fee? Now, on a serious note... The Esta fee is just one more hurdle in planning a trip to the USA. The fee
61 offloaded : That's an interesting breakdown. However, the UK still wins hands down in the tax stakes. (eg NYC / LON / NYC flights include GB and UB taxes, GB is
62 gemuser : No it's not, it's an Electronic Travel Authority fee, exactly as the US fees is. You only qualify for an Ozzie ETA if your country is on the list, wh
63 bestwestern : UK taxes are very high indeed, but as we were led to believe above, US taxes are not zero either.
64 757MDE : In Thailand is already included in the ticket, at least departing from Bangkok. It used to be 500 baht, increased to 700 and included in the ticket.
65 bestwestern : A family of five (two adults, three kids) have to now pay and additional $70 dollars to go see mickey in Orlando. China has no depatures taxes that ar
66 757MDE : Absolutely, I do not agree at all with they charging for ESTA... but things are what they are. I just hope for fair reciprocity from VWP countries.
67 Post contains images signol : Do non-US or Canadian citizens still have to pay the $6 fee to enter the US at land borders? UK citizens visiting Australia have a different visa (eVi
68 Post contains links LTU932 : Wrong, ETA does not apply to EU citizens. http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/tourist/976/ Correct. The eVisitor process applies not just for the UK (Bri
69 PanHAM : No, you just punish the waitress/waiter who makes a living and that's hard enough in the States. Some travellers from Germany and probably other Euro
70 Post contains images KiwiRob : I've never tipped in the US, it goes against all I believe in so I guess maybe I should just stump up and pay the $14
71 Post contains images RobertNL070 : Thanks
72 Elite : Have you ever taken a NYC cab before??
73 signol : I have tipped there, and always would - it's part of the culture in the US. But my point is that the traveller has a finite amount of money to spend
74 Post contains images PanHAM : There was a story a few years ago about an elderly German couple that had to take a cab from JFK to EWR which was something like 150 bucks and they t
75 Post contains images Elite : I strongly recommend you to not try this during your visit to the Big Apple I've heard of stories at the other end of the spectrum... the tipping cul
76 Post contains images PanHAM : I'm a New Yerker, I spent a couple of years in the big apple in my mid twenties. I know the place, this won't happen to me, I have no desire to wake
77 LAXintl : What's there to be confused? A tip is money a customer leaves for an employee over the amount due for the goods sold or services rendered. People in
78 Elite : In Hong Kong a tip is always "optional", perhaps because there is a service fee charged, but if the service is poor no tip is left. However in the US
79 KiwiRob : No, but did take a Town Car once. Why should I have to pay additional for the service when I am already paying for the service, I don't care that the
80 LAXintl : Scam hardly. A scam is countries where service fees are included indiscriminate without regard for the actual type of good or service offered, or comm
81 PanHAM : That's too much black and white. I do tip in the US, between 15 and 20% depending on how the service was. If a waiter asks me 4 times while I eat my
82 Post contains images Acheron : Because what terrorists lack is money...
83 PanHAM : good point, they have plenty of it. However, terrorists usually do not come from / are not citizens of visa waiver countries.
84 N1120A : Oh, stop defending more bad, xenophobic US policy. Just about every US locality heaps brutal surcharges on top of rental car and hotel fees to pay fo
85 KiwiRob : Never it will be a cold day in hell before a tip is ever prised out of my wallet. Sorry but I really do have to disagree with you here, service in the
86 N1120A : Actually, they don't really get fixed incomes but a set wage plus a percentage of their checks. Sort of like a commission. The idea is that good serv
87 KiwiRob : I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, you will never be able to convince me that service standards are better in the US. Too bad for who? n
88 N1120A : Admittedly, I haven't been to New Zealand or Australia. That said, I have traveled all over Europe and the Middle East and it is clear that the servi
89 L410Turbolet : There should be some sort of version of the "Darwin Award" dedicated to the most absurd pieces of legislation. Well, that's the beauty of it. If you
90 simonriat : Hi All Had to post with regard to the terrorism comments. I have to say I have been to the states on several occassions, and filled out the visa waive
91 PanHAM : We had discussed that before in another thread, These questions are hilarious. Answer any with YES and you better not be on the plane in first place.
92 simonriat : Sorry hadnt realised it had been discussed before, but couldnt resist. Also gald that it isnt just me who found it amusing.
93 Post contains images shamrock604 : Personally, 14 bucks isnt going to be a deal breaker on whether I visit the states or not. Now that the green form is gone, ESTA functions pretty well
94 Post contains images PanHAM : It's only fair, isn't it? We should as well know who's coming over and if Americans comitt crimes in Europe they can be found much easier. No, it is
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