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Iran President: Sept. 11 Exaggerated  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

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TEHRAN — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Saturday the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks were exaggerated in a fresh broadside at the United States just days after President Barack Obama voiced willingness to talk to Iran.

Ahmadinejad said the Sept. 11 attacks with hijacked airliners on New York and Washington D.C. had been trumped up as an excuse for the United States to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

Ahmadinejad also claims that the 3,000 lives lost in the attacks were false because the day before, the workers were all told not to go to work, and that if there had in fact been 3,000 lives lost, their names would have been released.

However, Ahmadinejad forgot to mention that there is a published list of September 11 dead from more than 90 countries available online, but I guess this was drummed up by the "Zionists" as well.

He also reiterated his beliefs that the holocaust was fabricated in order to justify the creation of Israel. We've heard this before.

I'm still appalled that this guy is the President of a country. I wonder what the requirements are to run for office in Iran? As much as I don't take him seriously, you have to imagine the effect that he has on his supporters in Iran.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38605348/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Ahmadinejad also claims that the 3,000 lives lost in the attacks were false because the day before, the workers were all told not to go to work, and that if there had in fact been 3,000 lives lost, their names would have been released.

Obviously he missed U2's half time performance from that season's Super bowl where they displayed a scrolling list of all the victims on a giant screen during their perfomance of "where the street's have no name:.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

The sad part is the number of non-Americans who not only will defend this guy, but agree with him.   Even worse are the few Americans here who are dumb enough to think the attacks were a conspiracy.

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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3367 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Just more utter nonsense from a person who should NOT be president.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
I'm still appalled that this guy is the President of a country.

His first term was widely accepted as an election. The second one was just pure blah. How can you congratulate a person when the counting has not even begun? His second term was already picked out. Just you wait. Iranian laws state that a president cannot run for a third consecutive term;rather, he must sit out one term. You'll see how the law will be changed in order to allow him to stand for a third term.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
you have to imagine the effect that he has on his supporters in Iran.

Which supporters? The hard-line clerics who know that as soon as a reformist is elected, their jobs are over? This is just a "rally the people against the enemy"...



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3877 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

What the guy said (and will say) is absurd, but look at this through the lens of Iranian politics. Some of this has to do with political strategy--he temporarily deflects attention from more pressing and valid issues (ie nuclear policy, human rights) to these sideshow statements that he makes. There's also the added benefit that A'jad can avoid having the grenade-like Iranian political accusation of being backed or supported by the U.S.--something akin to being associated with communism in any form in the U.S.

I'm less worried about what comes out of this guy's mouth than what actions he chooses to undertake.


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Ahmadinejad also claims that the 3,000 lives lost in the attacks were false because the day before, the workers were all told not to go to work, and that if there had in fact been 3,000 lives lost, their names would have been released.
Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
He also reiterated his beliefs that the holocaust was fabricated in order to justify the creation of Israel. We've heard this before.

Alrighty...where are those roughly 6,003,000ish people, then, Mr. Ahmadinejad?



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 5):
Alrighty...where are those roughly 6,003,000ish people, then, Mr. Ahmadinejad?

He claims they never existed, so the family of those people I guess are all paid gov't actors.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

It is beyond me that the international press is still paying attention to this retard! All of his comments are utter bullshit and a waste of ink! When I would be the Chancellor of Germany I would hire (a crack addicted) guy just to answer Ahmadinejad's commutation.

Patrick


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

The only slight grain of truth in what Ahmedinejad said is that, yes, the US government did play up 9/11 to increase domestic support for the Iraq war. But then things like

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Ahmadinejad also claims that the 3,000 lives lost in the attacks were false because the day before, the workers were all told not to go to work, and that if there had in fact been 3,000 lives lost, their names would have been released.

take him from critic of US policy to raving nutjob.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

His comment needs context .... I am assuming he was trying to claim that our response to 911 is not balanced and that we are using it as a excuse to invade his neighbours. He uses this same line of thinking when he refers to the Holocaust and Israel . When you give it context its not that far off from what some have said here in the US ...they just nuance the idea.


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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
It is beyond me that the international press is still paying attention to this retard!

It is absolutely necessary to pay attention to this guy. Ignoring him or not taking him seriously (be it by a crack-addicted nuthead as spokesperson) would be dangerous.
We here, however, don't need to start a new thread whenever Ahmadinejad says something.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 10):
not taking him seriously (be it by a crack-addicted nuthead as spokesperson) would be dangerous.

No, that would be fun after a while! 

Seriously: He is becoming annoying, the same shit over and over again. I can't take this moron seriously anymore. No Jews were murdered under Hitler in WW II, the Iran doesn't plan to have WMDs, and Sept. 11 was not as it was... sure!  

He is an attention grabbing moron! If he would be not, then nobody would pay attention to him.

Patrick


User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6537 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 10):
It is absolutely necessary to pay attention to this guy. Ignoring him or not taking him seriously (be it by a crack-addicted nuthead as spokesperson) would be dangerous.

What guys like Ahmadinejad says must always be interpreted in the right context.

We often have a tendency to believe that he is somehow speaking to us, and then the whole thing seems so unbelievably idiotic. But that's not the case. His words are for internal use. He is in great trouble at home. His only chance for survival is to constantly tell at home that the rest of the world is an enemy to the people of Iran, and then of course to block ordinary information flow.

If we want to trace his real message, then first of all we must investigate what information is available for the Iranian people, false or right information, and what information from outside is effectively blocked, and what is not. And then we can put his words into that context and maybe interprete what message he is delivering.

We Europeans should be sort of experts in such interpretation since we certainly made ourselves some training courses during the first half of 20th century. And in the east the last traces didn't disappear until 1990.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 12):
We often have a tendency to believe that he is somehow speaking to us, and then the whole thing seems so unbelievably idiotic.

I know what you mean and agree, but claiming that 9/11 did not cause the death of 3,000 people or that Shoa didn't exist is abominable no matter if his gibberish was intended to be heard by Iranians only.



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User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

I hope there is a second revolution in Iran, in which the people overthrow this idiot and the Mullahs behind him. He is just a puppet for them really. The ruling Mullahs put him there, not the people. I know Persians/Iranians are decent people just trying to earn a buck and get by...this guy isnt helping their case one bit.

User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

I've heard these rumors, but I didn't expect them to find foot with the president of Iran.


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Yeah, those rumors are quite popular with various anti-semitic and 9/11 "Truth" groups. Sadly, a website that used to deal with the particular rumor of 'Israelis/Jews/Zionist being told not to go to work in WTC on 9/11' has closed down, but fortunately, the Web Archive still have the page cached.

It's an interesting read, especially as it shows how such a stupid rumour can created out of thin air, with the help of some carefully selected reading..

http://web.archive.org/web/200807300...e.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html


User currently offlineMingToo From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2009, 464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 14):
I hope there is a second revolution in Iran, in which the people overthrow this idiot and the Mullahs behind him. He is just a puppet for them really. The ruling Mullahs put him there, not the people. I know Persians/Iranians are decent people just trying to earn a buck and get by...this guy isnt helping their case one bit.

That will depend on who gets into power after the revolution. The Iranians have already had one revolution where they threw out and vicious dictator puppet, something that should be applauded. But instead they have had 30 years of sanctions and aggression from the West because he was our vicious dictator puppet. The Iranians were also decent people just trying to earn a buck prior to 1980 when the CIA were training the Shah's secret police to 'disappear' political opponents.

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 12):
What guys like Ahmadinejad says must always be interpreted in the right context.

And part of that context is that he speaks in Farsi, which is then translated and fed to us through the biased Western media. He is two cards short of a deck, but that doesn't mean it isn't exaggerated along the way as well for our consumption.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
Seriously: He is becoming annoying, the same shit over and over again. I can't take this moron seriously anymore. No Jews were murdered under Hitler in WW II, the Iran doesn't plan to have WMDs, and Sept. 11 was not as it was... sure!

But yet you are obviously taking American claims that Iran plans to have WMD seriously still, despite only a few years ago a massive war being launched against Iraq because of WMD that turned out to be non-existent and a pack of lies.

He is a nut-job for sure, but he is not suicidal or completely stupid and does not hold nearly as much power as we are often made to believe.

Put it this way. If Ahmedinejad resigned tomorrow do you think it would alter Western / US / Israeli policy towards Iran even slightly ?


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

One problem is that sometimes the idiotic stories are mixed with matters that are perfectly true. And all the Ahmads need is for one little bit to be true and off they go. But great post US330, that is exactly why he says these things, for internal consumption.

Here is an example where it is easier to disentangle the various bits.

With the Bali bombing, the Ba'asyir story goes roughly as follows:

1. It was a small nuclear bomb - UNTRUE.

2. It was planted by the CIA - UNTRUE either for a nuclear bomb or the actual fertiliser bomb.

3. The prosecutions were made at US and Australian insistence under a law that did not apply - TRUE.

The US and Aus got the Indonesians to pass an anti-terrorist law AFTER the bombing and then insisted Ba'asyir be prosecuted under it (also Amrosi and co).

Now why ever do that? He was guilty of being an accessory before and after the fact of murder which is still a crime in Indonesia.

Net result, he appealed and was released. A bit of a miracle Amrosi is not also strolling the streets. What wonderful result would have been obtained if they had pinned the word terrorist on him rather than murderer?

Anyway, now it appears Detachment 88 has him banged to rights.

But for sowing confusion, all you need is a skerrick of a relationship, and that can be inflated, conflated into who knows what.

Why cannot the west keep its fingers out of where they do not belong?

There are similar problems with the evidence relating to Megrahi.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2475 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

Quoting MingToo (Reply 17):
But yet you are obviously taking American claims that Iran plans to have WMD seriously still, despite only a few years ago a massive war being launched against Iraq because of WMD that turned out to be non-existent and a pack of lies.

Well, it is a fact that Iran has a nuclear programme. The question is if they will use it only for civil purpose or not. I don't think it is hard to imagine that the leaders in Iran would like nuclear weapons, so Israel can't threaten them or at least so Iran could threaten Israel back.


User currently offlineMingToo From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2009, 464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
Well, it is a fact that Iran has a nuclear programme.

It is also a fact that they are allowed to have one under the NPT. If I were them, I'd want nuclear weapons. They are surrounded by military based from a country that has shown nothing but aggression towards them for 30 years all because they kicked out a nasty puppet dictator.

Sometimes people seem to forget that, depending on whether or not you include deforestation agents in Vietnam, Iran is the only country beside Japan to have suffered mass casualties from WMD when Saddam killed around 100,000 Iranian troops and civilians with chemical weapons. The US were supporting him at the time and even refused to condemn it at the UN.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2475 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Quoting MingToo (Reply 20):
It is also a fact that they are allowed to have one under the NPT. If I were them, I'd want nuclear weapons. They are surrounded by military based from a country that has shown nothing but aggression towards them for 30 years all because they kicked out a nasty puppet dictator.

Sure, but they don't have a democratically elected government. Also, what is the point of having nuclear weapons if everyone gets them? They are placed strategically around the world to make the world more stable. Also, who knows who the Iranian government might give them to if they develop them? Iraq is out of the way, so there is no point in getting them for Iran.


User currently offlineMingToo From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2009, 464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 21):
Sure, but they don't have a democratically elected government.

That is your assessment of the situation in Iran based on a hardly neutral western press. They do at least have elections though. Saudi Arabia has none and is a far more repressive regime, spawned the 9/11 hijackers and is a hot bed of extremism, yet they not only get to be allowed nuclear technology, the are assisted with it by the US. As was Iran when they were far less democratic under the puppet Shah in the 1970s.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 21):
Also, who knows who the Iranian government might give them to if they develop them?

They aren't that stupid. Iran won't give away nuclear weapons, that is just scaremongering.

Iran has lots of oil. It isn't friendly to the West. It's not surprising given what we have done to them over the past 60 years. We don't want them to have nuclear weapons because it will allow them to defend themselves against us.


User currently offlinegulfstreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 2):
Even worse are the few Americans here who are dumb enough to think the attacks were a conspiracy.




I think there are MANY people who don't agree with the "official" story of that fateful day , so to call anyone who thinks it is a conspiercy in any way shape or form are dumb , is a little nieve







  



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User currently offlineMingToo From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2009, 464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting gulfstreamGirl (Reply 23):
I think there are MANY people who don't agree with the "official" story of that fateful day , so to call anyone who thinks it is a conspiercy in any way shape or form are dumb , is a little nieve

It has been in the interests of the Bush administration to promote conspiracy theories. Gets people focussing on extreme scenarios and deflected from asking the real questions about incompetence or any kind of complicity at whatever level.

Did Cheney organise the whole thing ? Seems very unlikely.

But a discussion like this:

"There's increasing intel about a serious attack on US soil"
"Is there anything we can do to stop it"
"Perhaps"
"Well lets not worry too much, if it happens then it happens and it will give us an excuse to go into Iraq"

Quite plausible.


25 AirPacific747 : Be careful of what you say. There are many trustworthy news sources out there, and common for the media in the western world, is that they are not un
26 MingToo : You are joking I hope. No, but it shows the contradictions in the policy when the western politicians media harp on and on about women's rights in Ir
27 AirPacific747 : No. Why would I? Why would they not be trusted? Very true, and that seems wrong. I disagree. A regime that is so controlled by religion is not to be
28 MingToo : As far as I am aware, the only countries where the leading political ruler uses the word 'God' in speeches are either Islamic or the USA.
29 AirPacific747 : And that is wrong to mix religion with politics. I completely agree.
30 tarheelwings : Are you serious??? Sorry, but whatever credibility you have is totally undermined by the quoted statement. I am no fan of Bush, Cheney, and the rest
31 Baroque : And that differs from arranging for torturing prisoners exactly how?
32 tarheelwings : Not sure I understand your comment, are you saying that wasn't reported in the press? Or are you saying that torturing prisoners is also criminal con
33 Post contains links Baroque : Check out what Wiki thinks about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp You can read through the various court cases but how
34 Post contains links mffoda : The strategy page sums up Ahmadinejad and his peer's well..... http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20100810.aspx Quote: "These bogus clai
35 tarheelwings : Don't disagree and I believe I already admitted that we tend to treat criminal behavior differently depending on who it's inflicted on. And yes, taki
36 Baroque : OK, points accepted. It does however, relate to the present topic in that it does lead to easier cynicism when the US complains about some of the tru
37 Post contains images tarheelwings : Sounds to me like we are in agreement for the most part.......I do take issue with you mentioning Charles Taylor and Bush in the same sentence though
38 Baroque : I agree we agree, the point about Taylor is that there like Milosevic is a former head of state who thought he was clear and safe but is to use a phr
39 MingToo : Are you familiar with Operation Northwoods ? A plan that reached the highest levels of US government to fake the downing of an American airliner and
40 tarheelwings : Yes, familiar with both: the first was never executed and the second belongs to a dark period of our history. Both can be analyzed in the historical
41 MingToo : You have just made the same mistake. Believing your government spin that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that it had links to Al Qaida. And
42 tarheelwings : You are making assumptions that I find somewhat offensive, I NEVER believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (at the time of our invasion, i
43 MingToo : I didn't mean offence, but I think you place too much faith in your government. You accept that they lie in some circumstance such as Iraq and WMD, b
44 tarheelwings : I was never a big fan of Ronald Reagan but always liked a phrase of his when talking about dealing with the Soviets: "trust but verify". Yes, I belie
45 Post contains images Boeing4ever : If you seriously believe in "missile pods" or that the US government perpetrated this act, then yes, I can write you off as dumb. All it takes is a l
46 Baroque : Not me! But I don't mind that at all. It is not as if the US has not been trying to overturn Hugo one way and another is it? The redeeming aspect of
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