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FBI's Previous Knowledge Of Sept 11th Attacks  
User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

A major governmental cover up as to knowledge preceding the Sept 11th attacks seems to be unfolding in the media.

It seems that the FBI had full knowledge of the activities planned for the destruction of the world trade center.

An FBI agent warned in an inter office memo that a terrorist attack on the WTC was likely using hijacked aircraft. Intelligence sources went on to name Usamma Bin Ladden as the mastermind behind this effort.

I can't imagine that the president wouldn't be made aware of such information as important as this to national security.

What's was left of my confidence in the American Government is gone.

We deserved what we got I'm deeply sorry to say. We really did.

We trust our lives and the security of this country to people who have failed us in a way unprecidented in history.

Terrorists like Usamma Bin Ladden are permited to to operate freely without hinderance pre September 11th.

Previous to September 11th he was simply a nuisance.

The sad thing.... things arent any difference now post Sept 11th......

Airport security is still a joke......

Our seaports are insecure...... whats to stop a terrorist organization from floating a nuclear or biological device into NY harbour....

We're vulnerable, our governmet is incapable of protecting us, and unfortunately there is more to come.

The hatred for America is apparent and growing stronger, and It's apparent the government doesn't know how to fight this kind of war.

JET

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User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Jet,

There are numerous countries in the world who are not targeted by any serious terrorist threat, including many friends and allies of the USA.

The question, I think is:

What does the USA do that makes terrorists want to attack it?

There is only one answer: support Israel.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29788 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

JET...relax.....

You know that old saying...hindsight is 20/20.




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User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

And your point would be in relation to my post?

I didnt ask for commentary on why we are being targeted but simplly indicating previous government knowledge of the events to take place.

But thanks for the injection of purely imaterial information on this thread.

JET


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Thats not hindsight.... thats a governmental fuck up on an unimaginary scale.

My sister was in the building along with a close friend.....

JET


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Can anyone see the resemblance to Lockerbie here? It's the governments policy to do nothing in the case of terrorist threats.

History repeats itself.

JET



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29788 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Are we thinking of the same storys Jet...

The one I read delt with some suspicions regardign Arab students at Embry-Riddle Prescott.

The other one was a story that a few weeks before, US Intellegence had information that was passed to the prez. that a hijacking against a US airliner was in planning stages. But there was no information as to when, or how. Only that Uncle Binnie may have been financing it.

Again I think there is a lot of hindsight analysis going on here.



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User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

Jetpilot,

How can you call the cause of the terrorism 'imaterial' as to why the US government can't seem to do anything about it?

Instead of trying to catch terrorists before they act, which it obviously can't, the government could address the reasons why there are terrorists to begin with.

You're implying we treat the symptoms, I suggest look at the central problem.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Quotes from NY Times...

"In August, an agent (FBI) speculated in notes, made when investigators sought to explain why Zacarias Moussaoui was enrolled in a Minnesota flight school, that he "might be planning to fly a plane into the World Trade Center," the newspaper said."

"Law enforcement officials told the Times on Tuesday "that when the memorandum was received electronically at bureau headquarters in late July, counterterrorism agents reviewed it. But they took no action on its central recommendation, which was to urge the bureau to compile information on the visa applications filled out by foreign students seeking admission to aviation schools."

"In a separate report, CBS Evening News said on Wednesday that in the weeks before Sept. 11 the daily intelligence briefing given to President Bush (news - web sites) "warned that an attack by Osama bin Laden could involve the hijacking of a U.S. aircraft". "

""Several lawmakers who have read the Phoenix memorandum described it as the most significant document to emerge in congressional inquiries into whether the government might have been warned about possible hijackings. Several senators said the letter represented a warning that went unheeded," the Times reported. "

This is what I'm discussing...

JET







User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29788 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Ok then....

Still I feel like we are going get as far talking about this as we would if we discussing if the US intel should have known the Japanese where steam for Pearl 60 years ago.

And I think we will end up in the same place.




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User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

I understand what you're saying. I'm suggesting you look deeper... Is it possible the government ALLOWED the terrorism to occur? Is it possible the government at least downplayed these obvious warning signs? Is it possible at least that the government should have taken a few more precautions than it acutally did?

I suggest that at least one of the answers to the above questions is 'yes' and that the government acted in a way that was in some degree negligent; all in furtherence of other, largely Middle East related, policy goals.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

I dont understand why you insist on changing topics..... you do it alot.... I've noticed you like to voice your political opinions even where it isn't warranted.

This thread has nothing to do with the cause of terrorism.... Its about the governments cover up of prior knowledge? Do I really have to explain that to you?

Take your ideas and make your own thread... thats what the "start a net topic? button is for.

JET


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Jetpilot. Don't believe everything you read, OR read into it too much. I am willing to bet my next paycheck, that things are not as cut and dry as your original thread starter.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29788 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

Should Admiral Kimmel and General Short taken more precautions? Where they given sufficient warning of a possible attack? Did the Roosevelt allow Pearl Harbor to happen to give an excuse for America's entry into the way? Is it possible that Roosevelt downplayed the warnings that where received and sent to Hawaii?

Just insert the words/names, G.W. Dick, Uncle Bennie, WTC, New York as you see fit.

Like I said, these questions have been asked before and we will come to the same answers as before.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

My pint exactly L-188 Here we are again... but at least we let pearl harbour happen for a reason....

I can't imagine the government letting this happen....

The repurcussions of this WTC attack are 100,000 fold of what Pearl Harbour was.

I really think , and history has shown, that our way of dealing with terrorist threats is to ignore them as most of them probably arent creadible anyway.

It seems that is what happened here.

JET


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

This thread has nothing to do with the cause of terrorism.... Its about the governments cover up of prior knowledge?

Great, I'm pointing out what the result of this cover up is. The government's cover up of prior knowledge resulted in - and therefore is a partial cause of - terrorism.

So, you just want to say that knowledge is covered up, but don't want to ask: WHY it was covered up?

kind regards,

RogueTrader



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29788 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

JETPILOT...you are dealing with the feds here.

One thing that needs to be realized is that with the feds is that one hand will never talk to the other.

What you are seeing is several peices of info that where generated at different points in the government surface.

I would be very surprised that there is anybody in the goverment named Carnace the Magnificent.



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User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

I can't imagine the government letting this happen

I can imagine why: ask who benefits from a 'war against terror?'

Jet, you have no problem tolerating the often repeated possibility that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor so the US would get into WWII. But, you don't want me talking about why the government PERHAPS allowed the terrorism to occur? Or you just disagree with my views?

kind regards,

RogueTrader



User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

The Cover up is post september 11th !!!!!!!!

The cover up, which is obvious to me, is the president denying he had prior "specific" detailed knowledge of the WTC attack before it happened.

he is only claiming general knowledge that a hijacking may occur but had no sepecifics..... which of course is bullshit.

The FACT is the FBI had specific knowledge of who, and where. There's no question about that.

It's interesting that this info comes to light now with the upcomming hearings about the intelligence blunder that is being blamed for this event.

I dont think there was an intelligence blunder.. I think the president had full explicit knowledge.....

And what should he have done with that knowledge? Closed down the world trade center, and grounded all planes? NO

My specualtion is we dont know what to do.....

JET



User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

The fact that it was part of our plan to allow this to happen isnt a factor in my mind. I believe we played the odds and hoped it wouldn't have happened, or been foiled in the process.

The potential outcome could have been far worse....

The buildings could have toppled on lower manhattan, or even wallstreet... with wallstreet in ruins who knows what might have happened.

Pearl harbour was on a far smaller scale, and a military instalation fully capable of defending itself.

Different story....

JET


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

JET, ok I do understand that you're saying you're concerned about the post-September 11th cover up. I did not quite pinpoint as it being the post-event cover up that bothered you, I thought what bothered you was that they knew before hand and did nothing.

Still, I think it points to the same thing, but since my presence obviously bothers you and you invited me to leave, I will.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Both issues bother me.... one that the US doesnt know what to do with its own intelligence information, and two the ensuing cover up.... Any time it involves the commander in chief I worry !

I didn't invite you to leave. Just don't change the subject please.

JET


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

It has been widely reported, at least on CNN, that the FBI had ample prior warning before 9/11. In 1996, Phillipino police uncovered an elaborate plot by Muslim extremists to fly aircraft into the NYC skyscrapers. They interviewed the police superintendant that surpervised the bust. She told us how they ambushed the terrorists in their apartment and uncovered explicit documents, going into great details, including diagrams, how the act was to be carried out. The Phillipino authorities promptly contacted the FBI and handed over the documents and identities of those arrested. This was in 1996, and since then no more was ever heard of this until 9/11.

I'm not sure if this report made it to the U.S. media, but it was widely shown overseas. I speculate that the U.S. government was terribly embarassed at having had prior knowledge of this but still allowing it to happen. That's why immediate following the attack there was such a widescale propaganda war in an effort to shift the burden of responsibility. Sure, I'm not saying the 19 highjackers are in any way innocent, and I'm sure if you're determined to do something you'll eventually find a way to carry it out. But we really had no excuse for not being on the highest alert and ANTICIPATING this attack; no excuse whatsoever.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1206 times:
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If it's true that they KNEW about the attacks before they happened, then why didn't they do something?

But you could ask the question: What could they have done to prevent a terrorist attack like sep 11th?

Some questions need to be answered.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29788 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Hepkat....That report came out right after the attacks. It was a plot to Hijack somthing like 11 or 12 transpacific flights at the same time.

That plan obviously didn't happen.



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25 Hepkat : L-188, the similarities of what they were planning and what actually happened are quite striking. Maybe in the 5 years or so since Phillipino authorit
26 Post contains images Flyf15 : I think that what got in the way of this happening could've been private interests. Remember that oil pipeline? Remember the ties between the Bin Lade
27 Jer32382 : Fly, saying GW helped out Bin Laden is quite possibly the most outragious thing I have ever heard. (quite an interesthing theory though) Don't go knoc
28 Twaneedsnohelp : I'm with JET 100%. What I'm reading on CNN is making me sick. Apparently the FBI had a ton of clues about what was going to happen and did nothing. th
29 Jer32382 : The feds need to take a serious look at revamping the FBI. This falls 100% on the director of the FBI, no one else.
30 Jer32382 : Twaneedsnohelp, try getting your info from another news media source. The Communist News Network just doesn't cut it. They tend to "glorify" things ab
31 N863DA : I hate to say this, but someone is sure to, eventually... Churchill & Roosevelt both knew that Pearl Harbor was coming...
32 777236ER : Firstly, who would have believed planes would be flown into buildings? Secondly, how many other potential, more believable threats did the FBI and CIA
33 GDB : FDR may have known the Japanese were likely to go to war with the US, but I very much doubt that he imagined Pearl Harbour. The US military were prett
34 FDXmech : They knew a Pearl Harbor was coming in the respect of an attack somewhere, not neccessarily and probably not Pearl Harbor itself. FDR wouldn't risk pr
35 JETPILOT : Box cutters in carry ons? Who says? Wheres the proof of that? From what I understand the boxcutters were placed in the aircraft from ground personell,
36 777236ER : FAA regulations allowed box cutters in carry on. No carry on "got past" screeners on September 11th -- everything was legal.
37 Post contains links Lj : You're right about the A310 (or A300). It was an Air France plane flying from Algiers to Paris Orly if I/m not mistaken and indeed the plan was to hit
38 Advancedkid : Hi there, For the record, One day, we will all know the story of fake terror, lies/coverups and fake video tapes. Here's how I see it. It's all about
39 Post contains links Heavymetal : Remember the Carlyle Group? Remember? What force do you think is at the heart of the political fight to keep the outdated Crusader artillery system al
40 GRZ-AIR : If its true that they knew : "Thats not hindsight.... thats a governmental fuck up on an unimaginary scale." then Jetpilot said it all!!!!
41 Lufthansausa : "he is only claiming general knowledge that a hijacking may occur but had no sepecifics..... which of course is bullshit"-Jetpilot Since when do you h
42 Post contains links KAL_LM : Just as soon as the mainstream media admits GWB "knew" about the possibility or inevitablitiy of attacks they retracted the statements see: http://www
43 Hepkat : Well, I saw an ABC Nightline special a few weeks ago that was VERY damming to the current administration. They uncovered how Big Oil was in league wit
44 HUS9746 : Look, the US knew that it was going to hapeen because it set the whole thing up (ie attacks on the WTC) because it wanted world domination. I know peo
45 Jer32382 : HUS, you're talking privilages have been revoked.
46 Flying_phoenix : 'we deserved what we got, i'm deeply sorry to say. we really did.' 'JETPILOT' -Of course you are entitled to your own opinion. i must say i believe Am
47 B757300 : I would get a big laugh out of this but it makes me sad to see people making fools out of themselves. Many of you have been calling G.W. Bush the bigg
48 Flight152 : "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shri
49 FDXmech : As for Pearl Harbor...yes, FDR knew about it, no, he wouldn't want to stop it, and yes he sacrificed hundreds to get the US into WWII. It's funny how
50 Post contains images RayChuang : I have one thing to say about all the Democrats blustering today: hypocritical, aren't you? Let's consider this: in a recent broadcast of ESPN's Outsi
51 Donder10 : Some people are going way OTT on this.Sure,Bush may have known of a threat for a plane to be hijacked and flown into a building but how can you stop i
52 Super Em : I'm sure the government had enough warnings about what was going to take place. I remember reading an article stating that the Phillipine government h
53 BWIrwy4 : Too complicated? Board jetliners with perfectly legal knives, hijack the planes and crash them into buildings. This isn't rocket science. This plan is
54 Heavymetal : I don't think conservatives and Dubya lovers need to be worried too much. Whatever controversy is stirred by this will eventually slide right off him
55 Super Em : There's alot the government hides from the population everyday. Recently they admitted that soon after the Sept 11 attacks, New York was under a nucle
56 Cfalk : Amazing how people read what they wanted to read between the lines. As far as I have read, there were indications that a hijacking was being prepared,
57 JETPILOT : Cfalk... you could have saved yourself a whole lot of typing if you read my quotes posted above about the interoffice FBI memo... I sugggest you read
58 Cfalk : JET, I did read it, but found it contained no further facts. "In August, an agent (FBI) speculated in notes, (speculated - did not "present evidence",
59 JETPILOT : The thought that an attack on the WTC wasn't a random thought.... it was intelligence information. And to think that in the daily FBI briefing the pre
60 777236ER : JETPILOT, if the government had started daily fighter patrols over New York you'd be the first to cry out that your civil liberties were being breache
61 Cfalk : The thought that an attack on the WTC wasn't a random thought.... it was intelligence information. How do you know this? It has been described everywh
62 JETPILOT : Cfalk.... what color is the sky in your world? "In August, an agent (FBI) speculated in notes, made when investigators sought to explain why Zacarias
63 Cfalk : spec·u·la·tion n. 1. a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation. 1. b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture. 1. c
64 Post contains links L-188 : Hey JETPILOT, You know what this reminds me of, You contention that this speculation on the part of this agent should have been the light turning on.
65 Cfalk : Oh, yes, and don't forget that Congress, through the House and Senate intelligence committees, namely Richard Shelby R-Alabama; Bob Graham, D-Florida
66 JetService : I don't doubt the threat was known, because there are threats like that all the time. And when the gov't DOES make the threats public, a lot of people
67 Indianguy : So mebbe Bush did *wag the dog* as they say! Look at it, heres a guy who was universally disliked and who's IQ levels were being compared to a Potato.
68 B757300 : I would really like to give my opinion on this but I know I'd get banned for saying it so I'll stay quiet.
69 JETPILOT : Interesting.... here it is. How about that. JET
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