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CA Budget Crisis And LA Opens $500M+ "School"  
User currently offlineBoeing1970 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Los Angeles should be embarrassed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100822/ap_on_re_us/us_taj_mahal_schools

They probably could have built three or four schools for what they've paid for this architectural statement.

Meanwhile, teachers are getting pink slips.

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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Everybody knows that throwing money at education will make kids learn mo' better faster. The teacher's union says so.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25148 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

You realize building a school and the CA budget crisis are not connected right?

School construction is from Bond money, that has to be spent, and can only be used on new facilities.

Basically school construction is paid from a piggy bank of voter-approved $20.3 billion bond funds and school operations are paid from another piggy bank of general budgeted funding, so the district isn't laying off teachers to pay for the expensive school.

Anyhow the LAUSD has done an excellent job the last decade with 139 projects that will deliver 180,000 added class rooms seats and replace dozens of campuses dating back to WW2. The new RFK school is sorely needed in a part of town that is very dense and suffers from school crowding.



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
You realize building a school and the CA budget crisis are not connected right?

School construction is from Bond money, that has to be spent, and can only be used on new facilities.

Precisely. This is yet another downside of California's overuse of the voter initiative. Improving school facilities sounds great, but if that's the only thing you can spend the pot of money on, you lose a good deal of flexibility. There have even been cases of districts building new schools while their enrollment numbers are falling, simply because they can't spend the money more appropriately.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3):
There have even been cases of districts building new schools while their enrollment numbers are falling, simply because they can't spend the money more appropriately.

And thats not waste?


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 4):
And thats not waste?

Of course it's wasteful, but it's voter-mandated waste -- not school district- or government-mandated waste.

Just wanted to make sure we're getting righteously indignant against the right people.  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25148 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3):
This is yet another downside of California's overuse of the voter initiative.

Actually you don't understand the way it works. This was not a voter initiative.

When government wants to enter into big projects, it often floats bonds. As bonds need to be repaid they are essentially a form of future taxation and require a 2/3 majority voter approval.

In this case dating back to 1997, the LAUSD has floated 5 general obligation bond measures which were approved by voters and called for monies to repair and build new schools, fund IT and technology infrastructure, create new libraries, build early child development centers etc.
Much of the districts infrastructure dated back to WW2 and was in desperate need of repairs while some areas suffered from terrible overcrowding due lack of neighborhood schools.

The cost to pay for the bonds comes out of property owners to a tune of about $5 per month per $100,000 of assessed value.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3):
Improving school facilities sounds great, but if that's the only thing you can spend the pot of money on, you lose a good deal of flexibility.

In fairness having restrictions on the funding use benefits and protects citizens. Imagine if voters decided to spend money on a specific thing like a new neighborhood fire station and the monies went to some total different use, or to the other side of town for a very different use from its specific voter intended use.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3):
Precisely. This is yet another downside of California's overuse of the voter initiative. Improving school facilities sounds great, but if that's the only thing you can spend the pot of money on, you lose a good deal of flexibility.

Bond issues are used in many areas of the country to finance school construction. It's not just CA that does it. The problem is that once it is voted down, the school board puts it right back on the next ballot. So its a never ending ballot issue until it finally passes.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3):
There have even been cases of districts building new schools while their enrollment numbers are falling, simply because they can't spend the money more appropriately.

The money could have been used more appropriately, such as renovation of existing properties, bonds usually allow for construction, but don't deliniate what type, but the architecural marvel is the only thing the board (name one) ever seems to have its eyes on.

Given broad band access and lap top computers, how hard wired does a class room really need to be anymore anyway?


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 5):

Of course it's wasteful, but it's voter-mandated waste -- not school district- or government-mandated waste.

Bond measures are local voter mandated though. If that school district floated a bond proposition without actually needing it, there are some questions to be answered.


User currently offlineBoeing1970 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
School construction is from Bond money, that has to be spent, and can only be used on new facilities.

First of all, you don't "have" to spend bond money. Second, its the issue of spending this much on one project.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Anyhow the LAUSD has done an excellent job the last decade with 139 projects that will deliver 180,000 added class rooms seats and replace dozens of campuses dating back to WW2. The new RFK school is sorely needed in a part of town that is very dense and suffers from school crowding.

It might be sorely needed, but it didn't have to cost anywhere near this – not even half this. While this Taj Mahal is built, thousands of other kids will spend their days in cheap falling apart modular facilities built on what used to be playgrounds.

[Edited 2010-08-23 12:40:25]

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
School construction is from Bond money, that has to be spent, and can only be used on new facilities.

Basically school construction is paid from a piggy bank of voter-approved $20.3 billion bond funds and school operations are paid from another piggy bank of general budgeted funding, so the district isn't laying off teachers to pay for the expensive school.

And how are those bonds supposed to be repaid, o wise one? OK, children, can everyone say "Taxes"?

A bond issue is just a way to push off paying till tomorrow what you spent today. It's still money that will have to be paid off by taxpayers, just like the deficit spending in Washington.

To make matters worse, the school is called the Visual and Performing Arts High School. Wonderful - we are naming the boondoggle to inspire students to take up a career in a worthless endeavor. Our country needs engineers, scientists, mathematicians, businessmen, doctors, not hordes of aspiring actors. Of course it is LA...



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

When you consider that this school campus is for Kindergarten through 12th Grade, $578 million is not as bad as some are trying to make it sound. As noted in the article, construction costs were much higher than originally planned and there was also other issues that had to be taken care of as well.

Did the campus have to be built with all of these architectural flourishes? Perhaps not, but this is L.A., which is home to a number of architecturally significant structures. I am glad that they did preserve some historical aspects of the Ambassador.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25148 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting Boeing1970 (Reply 10):
First of all, you don't "have" to spend bond money.

Sure you do. The bond measures come with specific usage time frames. As I recall hearing all 139 odd projects needed to be complete by 2013.

I don't know if you know but here in LA we've built about a 18 new fire stations in recent years, all the while something like 10 fire companies are closed on a daily on rolling black outs due staffing budget cuts.
Like the schools these were part of a bond measure approved in 2000, with the work still ongoing.

Quoting Boeing1970 (Reply 10):
It might be sorely needed, but it didn't have to cost anywhere near this - not even half this

You are entitled to this opinion. Maybe it should of, or could of, but then again the planning and approval for this project was many moons ago during a different economic times.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
And how are those bonds supposed to be repaid, o wise one? OK, children, can everyone say "Taxes"?

A bond issue is just a way to push off paying till tomorrow what you spent today. It's still money that will have to be paid off by taxpayers, just like the deficit spending in Washington.

Since 1997 there has been property assessment of about $5/month per $100,000 assessed value. (that is what voters voted on at the end of the day- to tax themselves for this)

So No this is not building up a future liability as its being collected now. The assessment ends once enough dollars have been collected for the value of bond plus interest.

[Edited 2010-08-23 13:09:43]


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User currently offlineBoeing1970 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 11):
When you consider that this school campus is for Kindergarten through 12th Grade, $578 million is not as bad as some are trying to make it sound. As noted in the article, construction costs were much higher than originally planned and there was also other issues that had to be taken care of as well.

Those "other costs" were pegged at $65 million. Yes, when you build a monument instead of a school, there will be cost overruns.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 11):
Did the campus have to be built with all of these architectural flourishes?

Those are pegged at about $100 million just for the features. Then you have to consider the engineering requirements to support this (I always laugh on the issue of airport "art programs" that cost a mere $5-6 million that ignore $20-30 million it construction costs required for a building to accomdate it). $100+ million that would have been far better spent.

Yes, it’s a big school, but this is a monument to some bloated administrator’s ego. Nothing more and nothing less.


Best quote in the article:

"New buildings are nice, but when they're run by the same people who've given us a 50 percent dropout rate, they're a big waste of taxpayer money," said Ben Austin, executive director of Parent Revolution who sits on the California Board of Education. "Parents aren't fooled."

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Sure you do. The bond measures come with specific usage time frames. As I recall hearing all 139 odd projects needed to be complete by 2013.

This is exactly why government is in so much trouble financially. They think that because something is there they have to spend it. There’s nothing wrong with being told to spend $1 billion on "X" amount of classroom space and in the end spending $750 million on the same space by being fiscally responsible. But to spend over half a billion on one school? That’s completely absurd, there is no excuse. None at all... EVER!

[Edited 2010-08-23 13:19:43]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19568 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 11):
When you consider that this school campus is for Kindergarten through 12th Grade, $578 million is not as bad as some are trying to make it sound.

Yes it is.

An institution this expensive was not necessary. A perfectly adequate school could have been done for 10-20% of the price.

Part of the problem is the laws in place that basically "force" them to waste this money. And it is a waste. How many teachers could have been hired to teach these kids? How many books could have been bought?

Quoting mham001 (Reply 8):

Bond measures are local voter mandated though. If that school district floated a bond proposition without actually needing it, there are some questions to be answered.

Bingo. And furthermore, I cannot imagine that if the project ran significantly under budget, that the voters would be outraged at getting tax credits.


User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4318 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 1):
Everybody knows that throwing money at education will make kids learn mo' better faster. The teacher's union says so.

Throwing money into a black hole will not serve a useful purpose and will not improve results. However, I do believe higher pay based on some type of merit system (meaning a non-union environment) would result in better performance. In many districts we are paying our teachers very little, with the result being that a lot of people that shouldn't be teaching are in fact teaching.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
The new RFK school is sorely needed in a part of town that is very dense and suffers from school crowding.

No doubt the school is sorely needed, but at this price?

Quoting srbmod (Reply 11):
When you consider that this school campus is for Kindergarten through 12th Grade, $578 million is not as bad as some are trying to make it sound.

It has to be looked at from the perspective of how many student seats that $578 million bought. With a planned-for student body of 4,200, that equates to roughly $138,000 per seat. I wonder how that compares to other recently built facilities around the country?

Quoting srbmod (Reply 11):
I am glad that they did preserve some historical aspects of the Ambassador.

Sorry, I'm not a native (although I did live in S. Cal for about 10 years), but other than the assassination of RFK, what was the hotel famous for?



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting redflyer (Reply 16):
It has to be looked at from the perspective of how many student seats that $578 million bought. With a planned-for student body of 4,200, that equates to roughly $138,000 per seat. I wonder how that compares to other recently built facilities around the country?

The traditional rule is 35 square feet per child. Office space is generally calculated at 100 square feet per employee. Let's be generous and split the difference - 67.5 square feet per student.

For 4,200 students, that's 283,500 square feet required.

According to Reed Construction Data, the average construction cost for a school in the LA area is $152 per square foot, Face Brick with Concrete Block Back-up / R/Conc. Frame, including materials, union labor, contractors fees and architect fees. That takes it to $43 million.

That does not include the land, so you'll add a few million for that. Call it $60 million total, school all built, including land and some demolition.

Then you need to add the amenities for the school. Let's add a $200 desk per student, and a school PC for every 5 students, at $1000 per PC, and $100 for a locker for every student. That's $2.1 million.

Call it 20 students per classroom, or 210 classrooms. In addition to the desks, call it $10,000 per classroom for stuff like projectors, blackboards, teachers' desks, bulletin boards and so forth. That's another $2.1 million.

We are up to $64.2 million so far.

Add to that a $10 million budget to set up the library, administrative offices, cafeteria equipment and gym equipment.

There you go - a new school with all-new equipment for 4200 students - Price tag: just under $75 million.

This school cost $578 million. Somebody is laughing their ass off (all the way to the bank), and I would not doubt that many of them are supposedly public servants, and are supposed to represent the interests of the voters.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Like many public projects, too many local politicans got involved, the idea for this school got started and they couldn't scale it down or back out of it after it got to a certain point continuing to spend more money to finish it. There should be a huge investigation by the Federal Attorney and State AG to figure out who made the decisions or gained too much from this financial disaster. The construction companies involved should have to pay huge fines and be put out of business. For the bureaucrats, they shoud be immediately fired and losses of almost all of their retirement benefits as well as pay massive fines.

User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5242 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. A lot of people in this country like to bitch about California and how wacky they perceive the State to be, but this country wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for California. Flame away if you wish, but California has been absolutely integral to the success of this country.

Quoting Boeing1970 (Thread starter):
They probably could have built three or four schools for what they've paid for this architectural statement.

Did you not see the part about this being a K-12 school. In essence, it is 3 schools (Elementary, Middle/Junior, and High School) in one. It's extremely pricey, but it's not they built just an Elementary or just a High School for that money.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
You realize building a school and the CA budget crisis are not connected right?

School construction is from Bond money, that has to be spent, and can only be used on new facilities.

  



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 20):
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. A lot of people in this country like to bitch about California and how wacky they perceive the State to be, but this country wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for California. Flame away if you wish, but California has been absolutely integral to the success of this country.

They gave us the Grateful Dead and fake tits. Whoopee. How does that negate the fact that over the past couple of decades they have bankrupted themselves?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 20):

Did you not see the part about this being a K-12 school. In essence, it is 3 schools (Elementary, Middle/Junior, and High School) in one. It's extremely pricey, but it's not they built just an Elementary or just a High School for that money.

Completely irrelevant. It's a school that cost $137,619.05 per student capacity. I showed in reply 17 how a new, well-equipped school shouldn't cost more than $20,000 per student. It doesn't matter if it's K-12 or just a massive Kindergarten. It's the math that doesn't work.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

[quote=Dreadnought,reply=21]It's a school that cost $137,619.05 per student capacity. I showed in reply 17 how a new, well-equipped school shouldn't cost more than $20,000 per student. It doesn't matter if it's K-12 or just a massive Kindergarten. It's the math that doesn't work.[/quote


Insane spending. A town next to us just spent about 50 million for a grammer school. Out of control.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5242 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
They gave us the Grateful Dead and fake tits. Whoopee.

You sure that this is all that California has done for this country? You're not going to seriously argue that California's shear economic size and economic output has not been unbelievably beneficial to this country are you?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
How does that negate the fact that over the past couple of decades they have bankrupted themselves?

Please show me where I said that the one negated the other. In fact, I don't believe that I even touched on this point in my post.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
showed in reply 17 how a new, well-equipped school shouldn't cost more than $20,000 per student.

Notice that I'm not saying that this school is not expensive, however I do believe that some of the anger has less to do with the price tag, per se, and more to do with the fact that the school is located in California.



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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4318 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 23):
Notice that I'm not saying that this school is not expensive, however I do believe that some of the anger has less to do with the price tag, per se, and more to do with the fact that the school is located in California.

Don't want to jump into your discussion with another member, but I think for most people on this thread, myself included, the anger has nothing to do with California and everything to do with misguided priorities and the lack of strong (meaning not the pandering type of) leadership.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5242 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Quoting redflyer (Reply 24):
Don't want to jump into your discussion with another member, but I think for most people on this thread, myself included, the anger has nothing to do with California and everything to do with misguided priorities and the lack of strong (meaning not the pandering type of) leadership.

I think LAXintl sums up pretty well in reply 2 why this is not about misguided priorities. A lot of the LAUSD infrastructure is old and many of the schools in the area need replacing. Could they have spent less, perhaps, but it's not like they don't need new schools in the area, and education should be among any State's top priorities. As far as pandering leadership in CA, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one as, IMHO, it is for another thread.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
To make matters worse, the school is called the Visual and Performing Arts High School. Wonderful - we are naming the boondoggle to inspire students to take up a career in a worthless endeavor. Our country needs engineers, scientists, mathematicians, businessmen, doctors, not hordes of aspiring actors. Of course it is LA...

  

I have to agree with you there!

Quoting redflyer (Reply 16):
No doubt the school is sorely needed,

Not really. It's a Visual & Performing Arts school.
They teach kids how to be dancers and rappers.
I had attended a similar school for 5th. grade. It was a total waste for me because I missed out on a year of English and mathematics which hurt me the following year. However I did learn how to do shading, do a few splits and spin on my toes.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
They gave us the Grateful Dead and fake tits. Whoopee.

Even worse, Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon.   



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25 redflyer : I don't think we disagree on this point. I currently commute to the S. Ca. area each week on a consulting contract and I see first-hand some of the i
26 LAXintl : But you dont get it. The money CANT BE SPENT ON TEACHERS. The $20.3Bil of bond funds can only go for schools construction. There are a total of 193 p
27 cws818 : We also gave you Nixon, the DC-3....among other things.
28 WarRI1 : What is the old saying? Build it and they will come. Who did they build it for, more anchor babies? Give them the bond money, and they will spend it,
29 Dreadnought : It sounded like you were making excuses. It has nothing to do with California - it has to do with an outrageous misuse of taxpayer funds - and yes, t
30 mham001 : Actually, a lot of it is coming from California residents. I am one of them. No, you don't get it. The fact that it can only be used on construction
31 OA412 : I'm sorry that I don't see CA as the root of all evil, but that's how it goes. It's not about making excuses, it's about suggesting that there are tw
32 LAXintl : Lynch the voters. We approved it. There were public hearings for this school and just about every other masterplan project. This is not deficit spend
33 redflyer : I guess I do get it, which is that you (please don't take it personally) don't get it. If the money "CAN'T BE SPENT ON TEACHERS" then perhaps therein
34 Post contains images Superfly : Come to think of it, I am sure our teacher would have loved to put all of us boys in tutus. Looking back, he was very much in the closet but back the
35 LAXintl : Again such bond restrictions are not a California issue. Government bonds issuance virtually everywhere have heavy strings with their uses. After all
36 N1120A : Yep. Only now are some improvements happening. Actually, yes you do. 1) Why not? Shouldn't kids be learning in vivo? 2) I doubt the "flourishes" adde
37 Post contains images Superfly : Yep, like this one.
38 MAH4546 : It's a 4,200 student school that houses fourteen grades. That is like building 3 to 4 schools.
39 Superfly : 3 to 4 schools that will teach absolutely nothing but how to dance, act and rap. LA already has a visual & performing arts school.
40 OA412 : Guys, where are you getting your info that the entire complex houses nothing but a performing arts school? Per the school's website, it is actually 6
41 cws818 : Out of sheer curiosity, Dreadnought, what has Kentucky given us recently (aside from Sen. McConnell's droopy jowls)?
42 Post contains links and images Boeing1970 : Yes, the whole planet saw that. I already made it clear that the money could have been spent at other schools where students are occupying modular bu
43 PPVRA : Subsidies merely distort things, they don't create anything. California has massively subsidized education to attract the best and brightest professo
44 BMI727 : I'm not a big arts person, but I don't mind such schools. The point is to give students tools for the future, and if that future is singing or whatev
45 NorthstarBoy : The problem with your logic is if an entity is allocated 1bn and they spend 750 million, then the following fiscal year, because they only spent 750
46 Post contains images Mir : You can't have a tourism industry without stuff that people want to actually see, a very large part of which is art. Yeah, we need engineers and scie
47 WarRI1 : Incorrectly attributed to me. Not my reply. I do not know how that happens.
48 Post contains images Superfly : Keep in mind, I lived in California most of my life and I have no anger against the state. It is sure as hell beats living in Kentucky! My high schoo
49 Post contains images Superfly : Kentucky has given us Bourbon as well as Kentucky Fried Chicken.
50 Mir : I haven't gone through the entire thread in detail, but in NYC, there are certain schools that specialize in one subject or another, and anyone can g
51 Post contains images Superfly : Considering the location of this school, I doubt any wealthy kids will be making the choice to go across town to attend this school. Anyway you slice
52 Post contains links and images OA412 : Well then why in the world did you suggest in your thread starter did you suggest that "they could have built 3-4 schools with that kind of money"? A
53 PPVRA : Yes, red in California is also spelled IOU!!! Question is, for how long? It all adds up.
54 Superfly : What's wrong with an old school? The Visual & Performing Arts School I attended for 1 year was build in 1892 and I attended there 1983 - 1984. On
55 Boeing1970 : Clearly, you have no idea how large schools are in California. As pointed out by several people, the cost of this school, by both pupils and square f
56 PPVRA : That's what we in Brazil have always said about our country. And we have an old "joke": "because we have so many resources, we're the country of the
57 Post contains links Boeing1970 : Thats another uber expensive school... The one that cost $232 million....For 1,700 students.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sc...for_the_Visual
58 racko : Out of curiosity, does someone has numbers on the % of GDP the Entertainment industry contributes, especially in California?
59 LAXintl : Per LA Economic Development Corp, as of November 2009 nearly one million employees work in the "creative economy" (performings arts, enterainment, de
60 Post contains images Superfly : Brazil will always be paradise regardless of it's shortcomings. ....and how many were trained in formal arts schools? What is the percentage of those
61 N1120A : Hey, that is certainly Inglewood's greatest landmark. Actually, that isn't true. Even performing arts magnet schools aren't all performing arts. Than
62 Post contains links Boeing1970 : Yeah, you do. Metro chooses not to do so. You turn it in to cancel some of the debt, just like any other public bond. You're still not getting the is
63 N1120A : No they don't. They have to use it on Subway construction, but they can't use it on tunneling, thanks to that moron Zev Yaroslavsky. So it just sits
64 OA412 : Exactly. I can attest to this as I attended public school in Southern California and each of my schools featured a few classes in trailers. I loved h
65 Boeing1970 : No. They could have easily spread it to other projects. They did not have to irresponsibly spend money the way they have. Or does having talking benc
66 SA7700 : Unfortunately this thread has veered into yet another off-topic flamefest with disrespecting insults being hurled around. Any posts added after the th
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