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F1 2010: Belgian Grand Prix-SPA!  
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

We're back from our break and on to one of (if not thee) best circuits of the year

Spa is iconic for its random weather, undulating terrain, and fantastic corners.

A lap with Kimi Raikkonen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p2ACbYKmfE


In F1 News:

Yamamoto will start again for HRT alongside Senna
Schumacher will start with a 10 place grid penalty
Ferrari scheduled for WMSC hearing on September 7 regarding events at Hockenheim

Here's hoping that Vettel, Alonso and Massa take each other out at first corner, and no cheating from Kimi....

I really want Lewis to win this one. It would be really deserved after being (wrongly IMO) stripped of his victory in 2008

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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
I really want Lewis to win this one. It would be really deserved after being (wrongly IMO) stripped of his victory in 2008

It's a good thing he ended up winning the championship, otherwise that race would be much more infamous. I think the Mclaren will be stronger here than at Budapest, but you'd be crazy to bet against a Red Bull for pole and Alonso challenging for the win. I think it'll end up being 1. Alonso 2. Webber 3. Massa 4. Hamilton 5. Button 6. Sutil or Kubica, with Vettel on pole yet losing the race once again to make me even happier  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Thank you for opening the Spa GP thread Blue Elephant.

Says Hammy:

"We're all really looking forward to getting back into the title fight," said Hamilton. "I'll be going flat out to get us back in the hunt in Belgium.

"The break gave us some valuable thinking time to consider how to improve our car for the remainder of the season," Hamilton added.

"We are not only optimistic of better results but also of stronger pace for the rest of the year.

"I head to Spa off the back of a disappointing non finish in Hungary. We've investigated the causes and are confident it won't happen again.

"Spa is on one of the great Formula 1 tracks and one I'd really love to win."

        

Hear the McLaren Singers:

McLaren's Lewis Hamilton shows off his guitar skills at a pub quiz featuring team-mate Jenson Button, Eddie Jordan, Jake Humphrey and Chris Moyles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8815454.stm

Go Hammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                       



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Thanks for opening the thread.
Finally it's back to racing.

So was it a strategic move by Heidfeld to apply and become test driver for Pirelli as there might be teams that wants him due to the knowledge he will have for next season?
For his sake I hope so. He might not be WDC material, but he's consistent, and in the wet he shines!



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3838 times:

At last it's coming back!! Thanks for opening the thread, BlueElephant!

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 1):
I think it'll end up being 1. Alonso 2. Webber 3. Massa 4. Hamilton 5. Button 6. Sutil or Kubica,

Renault should introduce their F-Duct system. Hopefully they will be able to manage a better position than 6th.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 3):
So was it a strategic move by Heidfeld to apply and become test driver for Pirelli as there might be teams that wants him due to the knowledge he will have for next season?

I didn't think about this...great point. I'm sure that it would help him I hope he gets a seat...I could see him in a Force India or Sauber next year.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 1):
I think the Mclaren will be stronger here than at Budapest, but you'd be crazy to bet against a Red Bull for pole and Alonso challenging for the win.

I'm intrigued about the McLaren silence over hte last few weeks, both Button and Hamilton seem to optimistic for the coming weekend (as do Red Bull and Ferrari) so I'm wondering if the have something up their sleeve.

I sure hope they do.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 5):
I could see him in a Force India or Sauber next year.

Or in a Renault even? Although, if Petrov continues to drive as he did in the last race, he might keep his seat. I think the F-duct will be what Renault needs for a track like Spa.
Is it actually Mclaren who currently has the straight line top speed?



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 6):
Or in a Renault even? Although, if Petrov continues to drive as he did in the last race, he might keep his seat. I think the F-duct will be what Renault needs for a track like Spa.

I thought of this, but Kubica isn't going anywhere and I don't think Kubica/Heidfeld had the greatest working relationship

Quoting sudden (Reply 6):
Is it actually Mclaren who currently has the straight line top speed?

Yes McLaren have the fastest car.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

No Swiss Banker for Sauber

Tuesday 24 August 2010 - 14h42, by GMM

UBS chief executive Oswald Grubel reportedly wanted to take the sponsorship of the Swiss bank to a formula one team.

Grubel, who previously brought Credit Suisse into the sport with Sauber, was eyeing a similar deal for UBS now that he is in charge of the Zurich based global financial services company.

But according to Switzerland’s Blick newspaper, the UBS board voted against the plan, agreeing instead to become a sponsor of the entire sport in a deal that was announced on Monday.

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/U...nted-to-sponsor-Sauber-report.html

 



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
I thought of this, but Kubica isn't going anywhere and I don't think Kubica/Heidfeld had the greatest working relationship

That was quite obvious in the BMW years, apart from the Canada GP.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
Renault should introduce their F-Duct system. Hopefully they will be able to manage a better position than 6th.

I'm counting on this alos, however all the teams will have improvements.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
No Swiss Banker for Sauber

Bad news for that team, I hope they manage to put together a good sponsorship package for next year as I think they'll have a much better car then than the former BMW that they're struggling with this season (though the car is now an upper midfield contender).


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Hey everyone, how have you all been in this long break?  
Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Ferrari scheduled for WMSC hearing on September 7 regarding events at Hockenheim

I've read that if any further penalties are given, especially if the driver points are taken away from Alonso and Massa, Ferrari will go to the ordinary justice (is that how you say it?). I doubt this will happen, but you never know....



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Talking of penalties, Victoria seems to want LH to grovel a bit more for his burn out.

The charge was "driving in a manner causing one or more of the wheels of a motor vehicle to lose traction" but it was widely reported as:

Hamilton pleaded guilty to intentionally losing control of his vehicle while in Australia for the Melbourne Grand Prix.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/24/2991661.htm

I am sorry, if you do it intentionally, surely it is still under control - of some sort!!! They should get the journos to grovel too. Anyway, that was NOT what he pleaded guilty to.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
I've read that if any further penalties are given, especially if the driver points are taken away from Alonso and Massa, Ferrari will go to the ordinary justice (is that how you say it?). I doubt this will happen, but you never know....

What you're referring to is this:
http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/26271.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

To be honest I think If Ferrari takes the FIA to court, they're asking for even more trouble. It will suggest to the world that Ferrari think they're above the rule making body...I don't think I would ever see a bigger act of arrogance in this sport than if Ferrari goes through with that.

[Edited 2010-08-24 20:40:44]

[Edited 2010-08-24 20:41:21]

User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
I've read that if any further penalties are given, especially if the driver points are taken away from Alonso and Massa, Ferrari will go to the ordinary justice (is that how you say it?)

If this is true, then they have a lot of nerves....



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
If this is true, then they have a lot of nerves....

Yes and also a lot of money, which they think will buy them everything!  
We can now add Stefano Domenicali to the cry-baby list with Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso.   

Anyway I am very happy to see them all back on the racing track. Life can get so boring without F1!


Go Hammy!!!!!

Go Kamui!!!!

Go Pedro!!!!!


                 



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 3678 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
If this is true, then they have a lot of nerves....

So, let me get this straight. First Ferrari say:

Quote:
"In this sort of situation, the best policy is to respect and to trust in the highest level of the sport's governing body," said a Ferrari statement.

But, if after doing that, they lose points, they'll take the FIA to court?   



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Keep in mind that it is all speculation on the part of an Italian newspaper at this point, so let's not jump to conclusions. Also, according to that article, "Ferrari's most likely defense would be to argue that team orders should be permitted, so long as they do not impact the races of rival teams". If they get a penalty, it should stick, but the FIA should also revoke the ban on team orders. It's silly and just another rule that teams will always have a clever or not so clever way of sidestepping.

User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
If this is true, then they have a lot of nerves....

Or the lack of it, maybe.  



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Friday First Practice Results

1 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 2'00.797
2 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 2'01.567
3 R Kubica (POL) Renault 2'02.081
4 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 2'02.450
5 A Sutil (GER) Force India 2'02.646
6 J Button (GBR) McLaren 2'02.913
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 2'02.926
8 K Kobayashi (JPN) BMW Sauber 2'03.401
9 RG Barrichello (BRA) Williams 2'03.424
10 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 2'03.489
11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 2'03.601
12 N Hülkenberg (GER) Williams 2'03.649
13 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 2'03.654
14 PM de la Rosa (ESP) BMW Sauber 2'03.851
15 V Liuzzi (ITA) Force India 2'04.145
16 J Alguersuari (ESP) Toro Rosso 2'04.250
17 V Petrov (RUS) Renault 2'04.690
18 S Buemi (SUI) Toro Rosso 2'05.680
19 T Glock (GER) Virgin Racing 2'05.697
20 L Di Grassi (BRA) Virgin Racing 2'06.695
21 J Trulli (ITA) Lotus 2'07.189
22 B Senna (BRA) HRT F1 2'07.737
23 H Kovalainen (FIN) Lotus 2'07.955
24 S Yamamoto (JPN) HRT F1 2'10.507

Will post Second Practice Results later.

Go Hammy!
Go Kamui!
Go Pedro!

        



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User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Kubica third, that's promising. Although the first session was a bit dodgy with the rain and all...


"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

I love the weather! I hope it is going to stay like this. Less boring with dry weather.
They are all testing. Kamui is doing very well.

I have this funny channel from Russia. I understand zilch to their comments.
http://live3tv.blogspot.com/2010/08/7.html

   Wow!

Kamui does the fastest lap!!!!  spin 

[Edited 2010-08-27 05:56:52]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Second Practice Results

1 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
2 Germany A Sutil Force India
3 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
4 Poland R Kubica Renault
5 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
6 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
7 Great Britain J Button McLaren
8 Spain P de la Rosa BMW Sauber
9 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
10 Japan K Kobayashi BMW Sauber
11 Russia V Petrov Renault
12 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
13 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
14 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
15 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams
16 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
17 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
18 Australia M Webber Red Bull
19 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
20 Italy J Trulli Lotus
21 Brazil L di Grassi Virgin
22 Brazil B Senna Hispania
23 Japan S Yamamoto Hispania
24 Germany T Glock Virgin



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User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Great job by Petrov   

Not even one warm up lap and red flag already   



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

What the heck happened with Trulli?
What about the Saubers...

Hammy is doing well....... woo hoo!!!!!

Kamui was in the gravel short of the wall.... Oooohhhh
and Pedro too...

This is a crazy race.

Q2

1 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
2 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams
3 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
4 Poland R Kubica Renault
5 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
6 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
7 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
8 Australia M Webber Red Bull
9 Great Britain J Button McLaren
10 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
11 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
12 Germany A Sutil Force India
13 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
14 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
15 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
16 Germany T Glock Virgin

Q3

1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
2 Great Britain J Button McLaren
3 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
4 Australia M Webber Red Bull
5 Germany A Sutil Force India
6 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
7 Poland R Kubica Renault
8 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
9 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
10 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams


Oh this is so crazy!

The grid

1 Australia M Webber Red Bull
2 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
3 Poland R Kubica Renault
4 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
5 Great Britain J Button McLaren
6 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
7 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
8 Germany A Sutil Force India
9 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams
10 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
11 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
12 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
13 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
14 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
15 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
16 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
17 Germany T Glock Virgin
18 Italy J Trulli Lotus
19 Japan K Kobayashi BMW Sauber
20 Brazil B Senna Hispania
21 Japan S Yamamoto Hispania
22 Spain P de la Rosa BMW Sauber
23 Brazil L di Grassi Virgin
24 Russia V Petrov Renault

[Edited 2010-08-28 06:10:06]


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25 photopilot : ANOTHER pole for Webber and RBR. Too bad for Hammy.....
26 MadameConcorde : So much can happen tomorrow!!!! I think the race will be crazy... all depending on weather F1 is always so unpredictable! Anything can happen, any se
27 GrahamHill : Congrats to Mark Webber! Very good result for Kubica with 3rd. Shame that Petrov screwed up in the very first lap of the qualifiying session... Glock
28 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Is it now 12 poles for RB in 13 qualifs in 2010? The Red Bulls are really hard to beat this season. Hammy was right when he said they wuold be the fa
29 sudden : Weather predictions for tomorrow is heavy rain. If this will actually happen, the current grid doesn't mean much, at all. Which is fun if you ask.
30 EZEIZA : Bad Quali for Alonso. unless something really strange happens tomorrow he has no chance of winning ... but the heavy rain prediction could change ever
31 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is exactly what I was wishing for. I want to see tons of rain on the track. I hope my wishes will be fulfilled. Ok folks. I bought me 3 days Gra
32 sudden : Make sure to sneak in to the motor homes this time and snap some shots for us.
33 codeshare : F-duct seems to work for Renault (although Vitaly didn't have a lot of luck in qualy), but the race will show its true value. KS/codeshare
34 Post contains images EZEIZA : well done!! And don't worry, I won't tell anyone over there that you are Hamilton fan
35 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Not to worry.... They will find out soon enough. LOL I think Spa will be a terrrific race!!! Rain, please, lots of rain!!!
36 Post contains images GrahamHill : Indeed Yes, a-l-w-a-y-s !! Lucky you . I'd like to go there!
37 bill142 : I don't think tonights race is going to be easy for RBR. Hamilton could very well be pushing Webber early on. The McLaren, especially Hamilton has loo
38 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : From my fav British news site, something really nice... F1 Belgian Grand Prix circuit guide with Jenson Button http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/spo...
39 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Happy 300th Grand Prix Rubens Barrichello!!! From BBC site 1241: Brundle is patiently waiting for Vettel to finish speaking to German telly. Hang in t
40 EZEIZA : Crap! Alonso is the unluckiet guy on the grid this season. First the safety car situatiot a few weeks ago, and now the rain just came out enough to ma
41 stealthz : You keep saying that but 20points behind the WDC leader with 175 points still in play.. all does not seem lost yet!
42 MadameConcorde : Schumi and Nico go boom ha ha ha!
43 Post contains images EZEIZA : yes but as it stands NOW, You have Hamilton, Webber, Vettel, Button and even Massa scoring big points while FA is scoring none. EDIT: Take away Vette
44 Post contains images MadameConcorde : How did Vettel manage to hit Jenson Button? arrrrgghhh BBC site Lap 16: Unbelievable. As the rain starts to fall again, Vettel gets a run on Button co
45 bill142 : Because his ego is bigger than his ability.
46 EZEIZA : This time though it just looks like he lost control ... from the on board camera it even seemed there was some rain there?
47 MadameConcorde : Holy Moses! and he gets for this is a drive through penalty for causing this accident? crap! Kamui is in 7th! Good boy! Hammy is going to pit it seem
48 bill142 : It could have been a touch wet, but he should have just played it cautious and backed off. That's his problem, he doesn't know when to take the cauti
49 stealthz : But just as in Turkey(without getting into the team politics) he seems to get sucked into desperate moves late in the lap... youngest race winner, ye
50 bill142 : Now he's got a puncture for hitting Liuzzis wing.
51 andz : Sheesh now Vettel hit Liuzzi as well but justice has been served.
52 MadameConcorde : well Jenson will lose a lot of WDC championship points on this race. Vettel should learn how to be more careful, but it's racing... he could be more c
53 MadameConcorde : so much happened... I hope Hammy has the race! would be well deserved!!! I missed out on the last 4 laps! All the webcasts went bust. Oh well congrats
54 CXB77L : I am expecting Vettel to cop a belting in here, but it's fair enough. Even as a Vettel fan I've got to admit, that was absolutely 100% his fault. bill
55 sudden : I'm gonna go against the crowd here and say that I feel that the penalty Vettel got was wrong. Yep, a race incident if you ask me, and he did for sure
56 MadameConcorde : BBC BBC F1 analyst Martin Brundle: "Whenever it gets messy, McLaren seem to have the calmer head and deliver in those circumstances." 1434: He's done
57 EZEIZA : Another great entertaining race from Spa! Well done to all of those who managed to stay on track, and its races like these that can change a champions
58 Post contains images GrahamHill : Nice race!! Congrats to Hamilton. Very good driving from beginning to the end. This has not been Vettel's weekend. First the crash, then the drive thr
59 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I feel bad for Jenson Button more than for Vettel or Alonso. Hammy absolutely deserved his win and being back Nr1 in the WDC. Kamui is King! I only wi
60 stealthz : And I can add to what I said a few posts back... while Alonso is not mathematically out of the championship he started the day having to claw back 20
61 Post contains images codeshare : Another interesting race, this is one exciting season. Congratulations for LH great drive, this guy deserved it, Webber spoiled the start and possibly
62 EZEIZA : I'd say his only chances, if any, is if a similar race takes place but he gets out lucky from it. Meaning Hammy, Webber and Vettel DNF and he manages
63 scbriml : Well, an eventful Spa race as usual. Very good drive by Hamilton, apart from one heart-stopping drive through the gravel. Good job by Webber after a p
64 francoflier : I think I'll call him 'Kamikaze Seb' from now on... He basically took out 2 cars this race, after taking out his teammate a few races ago. Not a bad
65 bill142 : He'll be feeling like it was someone elses fault. Helmut Marko will come out and say that it was Mark Webbers fault. I think it's fair to say one of
66 Post contains images scbriml : Indeed! Unless Button and Vettel can significantly close the gap to their team-mates in the next couple of races, the teams will feel compelled to as
67 Post contains images swissy : Could not agree more.... what on earth is going on in F1... Sunday school boys racing?? Have a look at the incident with Liuzzi... Seb had the line..
68 scbriml : The problem is, in the opinion of the race stewards (and many others), it was an avoidable accident. He got too close approaching the slowest corner
69 waterpolodan : I think it was appropriate for the incident. The difference with Rubens was that he was out of control along with many other drivers at that same cor
70 sudden : I think it's irrelevant what he could have done. He lost the car and it ended up with Button being out of the race, and himself ending up with no poi
71 Post contains images swissy : That is racing... call it poor driving, bad judgment... and if you look at Seb's on board camera you can see water on it.. he pulled out and it looks
72 waterpolodan : He wasn't the only driver out of control at that point, that was the lap the rains hit. I'm not defending him, he screwed up too, but in his case alm
73 EZEIZA : IMO I'll agree with the ones that say this is racing. Yes, he screwed up and lost control, catching Button in the process, but it's not like he did it
74 scbriml : I don't think it is, because it should be something the stewards take into account. Another factor the stewards should have taken into account is Vet
75 stealthz : Good question, Vettel taking Button out of the BGP was a rookie mistake, made by someone with 56 GP behind them. Taking out Webber could be excused a
76 waterpolodan : I absolutely agree. He's young, but so what? It's not the age that matters, it's the racing experience, and 56 races is a fair amount by any measure.
77 EZEIZA : It's a difficult question to answer, because although I understand why he should get punished, I also understand that a part of racing is being invol
78 Post contains images swissy : Agree, most of them were unable to make the chicane... but RB came in like a brain dead driver... and almost took Alonso out.. what if he would have
79 sudden : I know your smarter then this. For us it's easy to sit here as desktop experts and say he could have..... But the stewards, if any, knows that this i
80 stealthz : He appears to be on the watch list, his habit has come to the attention of the stewards hence the drive through, IMO he got off light. And we know wh
81 swissy : Do not think it has anything to do with inexperience... Vettel is Vettel I guess it is his style (good or bad).. look back when GV was still alive...
82 EZEIZA : and that's where the age factor will kick in. The older you get, (in theory) the wiser you get. I'm sure that with the right car, Vettel is bound to
83 Post contains images MadameConcorde : He has the best/fastest car this season. What better car do you think he could get? He has no excuse. It's up to him to manage his driving properly.
84 waterpolodan : Wise until he took too much curb in the wet and crashed, ending his race and further denting his outside shot at the WDC. He's not having his best ye
85 EZEIZA : let me rephrase; if he KEEPS having a proper car. It's talent + car. He's got both, but he has to get his act together, and i'm sure he will
86 GrahamHill : Indeed. He's got talent alright, but he seriously needs to channel his ardour.
87 Post contains images swissy : He needs an old seasoned "fart" to bring him down to earth ... you know like a coatch Cheerios,
88 Post contains images codeshare : A simple fact: remember how he drove in Brazil (IIRC) last year and the last lap pass in Valencia (IIRC also) ? Now that is talent. I don't think Vet
89 waterpolodan : The consensus is that the RBR was running a different front wing not because they were worried about not passing the new rigidity test, but because t
90 Post contains images swissy : Not to take anything away from Kamui... but remember you need a driver ahead of you to make it work... , there are risks while taking over and you ho
91 legoguy : A few quick questions; How was Massa allowed to start halfway over his grid position? Did the stewards let it slide due to the weather circumstances?
92 Post contains links scbriml : Or did Vettel not finish the overtake? He's done it before! http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...ove-says-tonio-liuzzi-formula-one/ The stewards de
93 Post contains images swissy : That is racing.... sorry but it is simple, these things happen regardless of the $$$ spend or needed to run any race... the cars are so close now it
94 waterpolodan : It was an exciting race, but I don't understand what your point is. You keep saying that we need to encourage racing, which is true, but racing and t
95 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Vettel should be sent back to driving school, here, with non-F1cars. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...91056418#docid=8672589085813115964 Only a
96 scbriml : What? At what point was Vettel anywhere near a passing Button? He'd got very close - actually, too close leading up to the chicane. With Button defen
97 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Former F1 drivers Niki Lauda and David Coulthard have warned Sebastian Vettel that he now needs to take a more cautious approach to racing if he is to
98 waterpolodan : This is so absurd! On one hand, you are saying we need to encourage racing and not penalize drivers for making risky moves. Then you go on to lay bla
99 Post contains images swissy : All these things or incidents/avoidable accidents happen forever, I have no problem if someone knocks someone out intentionally they should get a pena
100 waterpolodan : Something is lost in translation there, are you saying the majority of people think the penalty for Seb was unfair? I'd disagree with that, another f
101 Post contains links BlueElephant : I have just skimmed the above but my thoughts on the matter go like this: - Sebastian Vettel was at fault for both the accidents he was part of - I DO
102 Post contains images GrahamHill : Hopefully it will be hilly. A circuit is more exciting when there are hills
103 CXB77L : No. Incident with Button? No argument from me there, Vettel made a mistake which caused the collision with Button, and he was rightfully penalised fo
104 BlueElephant : If you seen the 3d layout, the first sector is a ridiculous up hill, hairpin, and ridiculous drop....the track reminds me of a combination of Spa and
105 Post contains images MadameConcorde : More "new" races coming up every year. Korea, Austin... Argentina is also in the plans. Are they going to "zap" other races in the calendar in order t
106 Post contains images swissy : Apologizes you are right... (lost between Swiss & English or my wif calls it Swinglish ) Here I try it again: Only a few people here including me
107 Post contains images GrahamHill : I actually skipped that image Don't ask me why, I must be tired
108 EZEIZA : the thing is, IMO all accidents are avoidable, so unless they are made on purpose, I don't see how they can be penalized for it. Especially in this c
109 waterpolodan : Well, forget how Rubens' approach to the corner appeared for a second. Yes, he looked wildly out of control and it was worse than any of the other dr
110 Post contains links and images codeshare : No way, this is what Vettel should be racing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzbFOJepdw&feature=related Much safer for him. KS/codeshare
111 bill142 : Looking above, it strikes me as being somewhat similar to the current Hockenheim layout. Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes. All the ones who won't pay Bernie s
112 CXB77L : If you're suggesting that Vettel should be penalised for the collision with Liuzzi, then I disagree. I don't believe that the second incident was Vet
113 Post contains links BlueElephant : No...I'm suggesting that Vettel should be penalised for careless driving having hit two cars....Whether or not Liuzzi or Vettel was at fault...I thin
114 Post contains images Aesma : Very upset for Button, he drives cleanly as usual and shit happens. Between that and Monaco... Vettel, well, as others have said, he's punishing himse
115 Post contains images sudden : He must be kiddin! D.C is famous for not being able to keep the car on track, so he should just $hut up! Vettel got his seat as he's far more better
116 CXB77L : I think that whether or not Vettel should've got a penalty hinges more on the first incident than the second. The first incident is very clearly Vett
117 bill142 : That looks fantastic. Do you know there are going to be downloadable updates like there are for a lot of PS3 games? F1CE doesn't seem like it was eve
118 cpd : Yeah, I agree. Smashing into multiple cars in the same race is a pretty good achievement for Vettel. Isn't the idea to actually get points for the te
119 BlueElephant : I rewatched the race and I must admit I got it slightly wrong...I still think he's more responsible for both incidents...But I don't know if either s
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