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Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil  
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2923 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Oh well, so close to the summit.

I hope they wont set things back to far, once the talks begin, if they begin after this.

These are the sorts of comments you'd expect from Hamas, or Iraq.

Here is a doozie of a quote from the rabbi.

''All these evil people should perish from this world … God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians,'' he said as he also singled out Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Bibi wont whack him over the knuckles for saying this, saying only that his views don't reflect those of the Government. Well big deal, they stir up hatred and ill will, especially a week before the talks begin.

Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?   

http://www.theage.com.au/world/israe...estinians-evil-20100830-147ad.html


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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel? In my opinion this is really not news whatsoever.


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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?   

I didn't notice that they sat down on their own volition to negotiate peace, so whatever gave you that idea?? Setting that aside completely, why should anyone who hasn't a direct stake in this ... for lack of a better word ... care?

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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?
Quoting Severnaya (Reply 1):
What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel? In my opinion this is really not news whatsoever.

I saw the pictures while I was cooking dinner and could not hear the sound so I just assumed it was an Iranian Ayatollah I had not seen before. When I found out who it really was, it turned out not to be a bad guess.

No wonder they quarrel a lot.


User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5347 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

" 'All these evil people should perish from this world … God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians,' he said as he also singled out Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas."
Classy. Just classy. And a Rabbi to boot. The road to hell is paved with the bones of "religious leaders" such as the good Rabbi.

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Bibi wont whack him over the knuckles for saying this, saying only that his views don't reflect those of the Government.

That's what he'll say, but his actions over the years have led me to believe that he would agree wholeheartedly with the above quotation.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 1):
What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel? In my opinion this is really not news whatsoever.

The problem is that in the eyes of very conservative politicians, Jews are only the victims and Muslims are the ones responsible for hatred. Fact is that it doesn't matter what confession you are, it's people who make hatred.

Religion is in part responsible because we humans have a tendency of interpreting religion in many different ways. For example, while Islam descents from ancient Judaism (therefore shares the same roots as Christianity and modern day Judaism) and is considered a religion of peace, there are people who interpret the Quran in a violent way (e.g. the Taliban or the Mullahs in Iran), just as Christians claim to have acted in the name of Jesus Christ when they commited crimes such as burning people at the stake for witchcraft or for "holy wars" like the Crusades.

In the end, this is why religion must be kept out of politics, because the main problem with religion is us, because of the way we interpret religion.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
These are the sorts of comments you'd expect from Hamas, or Iraq.

The guy is the spiritual head of Shas, who are so far to the right they make Meir Kahane's little gang of thugs ("Kach") seem moderate.



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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Oh well, so close to the summit.

I hope they wont set things back to far, once the talks begin, if they begin after this.

These are the sorts of comments you'd expect from Hamas, or Iraq.

Such comments flow daily from the mouths of Imams in Palestine and around the world about Israel. I think your post actually emphasizes the fact that while such attitudes are common enough on one side that it never makes headlines - it's an everyday event, but if it comes from the other it makes the news because it is far outside of the mainstream for that group.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3294 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1935 times:

And they say religion is not the source of the world's problems...

In my view, I find this Rabbi (or people like him, making unnecessary comments) no different than Ahmadinejad. One difference: the Rabbi belongs to a nation that is always saved from condemnation because it has Western support. Ergo, the Rabbi's side will, unfortunately, end up unscathed by any actions it takes.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
In the end, this is why religion must be kept out of politics, because the main problem with religion is us, because of the way we interpret religion.

   Ain't it the truth?



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2923 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 1):
What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel?

Probably not much. Just that it's not to helpful at this point in time, from either side.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 2):
I didn't notice that they sat down on their own volition to negotiate peace, so whatever gave you that idea??

who sat down, the Palestinians ?

Quoting Asturias (Reply 2):
why should anyone who hasn't a direct stake in this ... for lack of a better word ... care?

Because it make the news, nearly every second day. And it's a major hot spot, for ME conflict.

That's why people, as you put it, ....care

Quoting Baroque (Reply 3):
I saw the pictures while I was cooking dinner and could not hear the sound so I just assumed it was an Iranian Ayatollah I had not seen before

Yes, as I too said, it is perhaps more akin to something you'd hear from an outraged Iranian official than where it ended up coming from. Was a little taken aback by it, but I suppose I shouldn't have been.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
The road to hell is paved with the bones of "religious leaders" such as the good Rabbi.

I hope your right there !!
Who needs trouble makers. There are enough things to sort of of this mess, without this, to complicate matters.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
That's what he'll say, but his actions over the years have led me to believe that he would agree wholeheartedly with the above quotation.

Yes well.
My grandmother always used to say "Actions speak louder than words"
And she was a far wiser person than Netanyahu will ever be.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
it's people who make hatred.

So true, We are our own worst enemies sometimes I think.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
but if it comes from the other it makes the news because it is far outside of the mainstream for that group.

Maybe it's just not I expected from a nation, who often calls itself more superior/moral than many of it's neighbors. Sort of knocks any credibility they might have right out the window when you hear these things though, sanctioned from the government or not.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 8):
One difference: the Rabbi belongs to a nation that is always saved from condemnation because it has Western support. Ergo, the Rabbi's side will, unfortunately, end up unscathed by any actions it takes.

Yes that is the sad thing, perhaps to much "western" support. Perhaps its clouded the situation somewhat, ??

The rabbi, well he can go jump IMHO.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15810 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
''All these evil people should perish from this world … God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians,'' he said as he also singled out Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

There are probably plenty of Imams who think all Jews are evil. I don't see why this is a story.

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?

Well, they probably aren't losing sleep over it. The status quo treats the Israelis quite well. They have a modern western style nation and live pretty well, while receiving quite a bit of aid from the US. It's a pretty good situation for them.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2923 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
There are probably plenty of Imams who think all Jews are evil. I don't see why this is a story.

Well please tell that to the Newspaper editors and the rest of the worlds press.

You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?

Well, they probably aren't losing sleep over it. The status quo treats the Israelis quite well. They have a modern western style nation and live pretty well, while receiving quite a bit of aid from the US. It's a pretty good situation for them.

You may well be right about the "status quo".
Although I don't know much longer, the US can keep supporting with $$$$$. The current economic situation over there (US) is not to good, they might have to cut back on aid to Israel. Israel, can more or less stand on its on two feet anyway, compared to other impoverished nations which receives aid from the US, I'd imagine.

I hope this is not in retaliation to the Rabbi's comments or because certain sections of the Jewish community don't want these new talks to go anywhere.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/four-isr...k-hamas-attack-20100901-14fv9.html

It was widely reported on the ABC radio, that the neighborhood where this happened, is anti peace talks, because any success at these peace talks, would mean that land where they live will need to be "given back" as part of a deal, so as you can imagine, they don't want them to succeed at all. I got no idea really at this stage if there is anything in it, will here later from the press of any further developments I suppose.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

No, you just want to throw in your anti-Israeli sentiment, whenever you get the chance. We get it, that you don't like Israel, and when you get a chance, you take a shot. This is one statement, compared to countless ones about wiping Israel off the map. When Palestinians stop blowing themselves up on buses and markets full of civilians, maybe then I will care??


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
When Palestinians stop blowing themselves up on buses and markets full of civilians, maybe then I will care??

I must have missed the latest reports of these. Can you assist??????


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

No, you just want to throw in your anti-Israeli sentiment, whenever you get the chance. We get it, that you don't like Israel, and when you get a chance, you take a shot.

        

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Because it make the news, nearly every second day.

All kinds of things of questionable importance make the "news", you know like a cat being thrown into a waste bin or a kid swallowing used condom. This rabbi falls in the same category. A classic Warholian "15 minutes of fame". Besides, as other suggested if we were to pay attention to the same or even worse sorts of hatred preached by imams from certain "religion pf peace" we would be doing nothing else on any given Friday.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
I must have missed the latest reports of these.
Four Israelis were shot dead in their car Tuesday near the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba less than a day before Israeli and Palestinian leaders meet in Washington for a summit to announce the resumption of direct peace talks.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...f-relative-west-bank-calm-1.311351

For the usual suspects, some lunatic rabbi running his mouth is obviously a much bigger deal.  


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
I must have missed the latest reports of these.
Four Israelis were shot dead in their car Tuesday near the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba less than a day before Israeli and Palestinian leaders meet in Washington for a summit to announce the resumption of direct peace talks.

So these were really Palestinians blowing themselves up? But still not in a market in Israel, or is the West Bank now Israel? Strange, no mention of that reality in the reports.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2923 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

No, you just want to throw in your anti-Israeli sentiment, whenever you get the chance. We get it, that you don't like Israel, and when you get a chance, you take a shot. This is one statement, compared to countless ones about wiping Israel off the map. When Palestinians stop blowing themselves up on buses and markets full of civilians, maybe then I will care??

As I clearly wasn't talking to you.

I'll ignore your post.   

But, as I said above in reply 11, plenty of other people do find it news, especially on the eve of NEW peace talks. So, maybe go read a thread your interested in then, and don't partake in this thread if it bothers you so much!

It's not healthy to be so angry, you'll shorten your life.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
I must have missed the latest reports of these. Can you assist??????
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7225775.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6309029.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ut-suicide-bombings-in-Israel.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/12/mideast/index.html

http://article.wn.com/view/2008/02/0...icide_bombing_in_Israel_in_year_h/


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

Meanwhile away from a.net in the real world what does Haaretz think about the Rabbi?

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-speci...ith-a-de-occupation-seder-1.311068

A Special Place in Hell / Celebrate Jewish New Year with a De-Occupation Seder
It says much about our times, that Rabbi Ovadia chose just this period and a Rosh Hashana tradition to unlock and unload on the Palestinians.
By Bradley Burston
.....

Much has been said, and rightly so, in condemnation of the remarks, and of the pallid defenses mounted by followers.

However, Rosh Hashanah may be exactly the occasion to learn from Maran HaRav's's words, and, no less, his timing.

The run-up to Rosh Hashanah is meant to be a month of hard looks at oneself and hard apologies to others. That is where HaRav Ovadia comes in.

His words teach us, before all else, that we should thank the Lord for creating extremists. Because the tight focus of their vision, not to say blindness, often, if unintentionally, shines a light for the rest of us.


Not a lot of that here, so I might go back to reading Haaretz. Where I would learn:

Of late, there has been a mounting tendency within a newly-ascendant rightist intelligentsia – and a shady, gleefully disingenuous, young-ish underground anchored by the vengeful nerds of Im Tirzu - to equate self-criticism with treason, and self-congratulation with patriotism. Not Israel, Right or Wrong, but Israel Is Right, and Europe, the Western World as a whole, the Muslim World, the UN, and Barack Obama are all, sadly, wrong.

Could be.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2923 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

A piece out of the NY times today about the peace talks

Written by Hosni Mubarak, an allies/neighbor of Israels.

Very open and honest view of the whole thing. This is what he sees as the biggest hurdle in the deal, if there is a deal.

The biggest obstacle that now stands in the way of success is psychological: the cumulative effect of years of violence and the expansion of Israeli settlements have led to a collapse of trust on both sides. For the talks to succeed, we must rebuild trust and a sense of security.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/opinion/01mubarak.html?hp

Quoting Baroque (Reply 19):
Haaretz think about the Rabbi?

Ive read the Bibi has been quiet on this, just before the talks begin, would be a great time for him to rebuke what the mad rabbi said, in front of the world, if for nothing else, just for the good will, it would create much needed hope to kick things off over in the US



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5347 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):

Funny that you chastise Commodore then you go ahead and unleash one of your typically anti-Muslim posts.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
For the usual suspects, some lunatic rabbi running his mouth is obviously a much bigger deal.

Perhaps some of us have the ability to look past all of the propaganda and realize that this is neither entirely the fault of the Israelis or the Palestinians, but that both share in the blame. Or the ability to see that not all Palestinians (or Muslims) are terrorists and that some of Israel's actions are terrorist in nature. It's not cut and dried, black and white no matter how much some of you want to place all of the blame on one side or the other while pretending that the other side is completely innocent of any, and all, wrongdoing.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
Strange, no mention of that reality in the reports.

Of course not. Why let facts get in the way?



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User currently offlineEDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Sort of knocks any credibility they might have right out the window when you hear these things though, sanctioned from the government or not.

So according to your logic, most of the Arab world should not have any credibility, as these kind of comments toward Jews/Israel are very common within the mass media of most Arab countries...I am sure you are very well aware of that and that's ok by you....Or you are not aware of it, which means you need to open your eyes. Either way, not a great platform...

Unless, of course, your main reason for posting here is Anti-Israeli rants....


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2923 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting EDKA (Reply 21):
So according to your logic, most of the Arab world should not have any credibility, as these kind of comments toward Jews/Israel are very common within the mass media of most Arab countries...I am sure you are very well aware of that and that's ok by you....Or you are not aware of it, which means you need to open your eyes. Either way, not a great platform...

No,
It's because.....

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Maybe it's just not I expected from a nation, who often calls itself more superior/moral than many of it's neighbors.



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User currently offlineCentre From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

It's a story because it's coming from the spiritual leader of the Shas party which is represented by Ministers in the government and who will take orders directly from him rather than the PM.

Just the true face of the conflict!!!



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting EDKA (Reply 21):
most of the Arab world should not have any credibility, as these kind of comments toward Jews/Israel are very common within the mass media of most Arab countries...

The Arab media are rubbish so bombing Al J offices is either justified or just bad luck. And what of their reporter locked away on rather doubtful charges?

Bit of a laugh saying that the west believes Arab media, about as close as you get to a total untruth. Which was why I thought (lacking the sound and being too far away to read the subs) the Rabbi must be another mad Ayatollah. Well in a way he was. Next time there is a thread about comrade Ahmad, we will understand him so much better because we will know it is " it is far outside of the mainstream for that group".


25 Post contains images Centre : What do you know!!!! Rush Limbaugh pretty much talking about Islam here, no imams exist in other religions so easy to pass judgments He can't, the Ra
26 EDKA : No, Commodore, its quite clear….See Reply 12, first sentence... You must have misunderstood my point - I was referring to local media and the local
27 Asturias : Either one. Paris Hilton makes the news every day and there's still no reason to care. That we should care or have an opinion on this matter because
28 ly001 : Well what's new? another anti Israeli thread out of tens. It seems that there are some people that don't miss any opportunity to show their hatred tow
29 N537FX : Wow, so one crazy maniac made a terrible statement, this stuff happens all the dam time in the Middle East. Yes, I think it is terrible what he said,
30 Post contains images windy95 : Remember they are Anti-Zionist.
31 Post contains links ATTart : I too hope the peace talks do happen, even after this from the other side... http://www.smh.com.au/world/four-isr...k-hamas-attack-20100901-14fv9.htm
32 Baroque : Close to standard Hamas procedure. Attack on territory where Fatah is supposed to be in control. That way they irritate the Israelis and get them to
33 ATTart : Well speaking for myself I do not agree with what the Rabbi is saying about Palestinians being Evil. Just as I do not agree with the what the other s
34 SOBHI51 : Some people in the area for religious or they are profiting from the conflict and i am talking about both sides do not want this conflict to come to a
35 Baroque : Did not see yr post. Anything later than 2008? Plans from 2009 hardly count I would think. Sort of suggests I did not miss a great deal of recent act
36 Post contains links Mir : The settlers have said they'll break the freeze on settlement expansion in response to the Hamas attack, and Netanyahu has told them not to. http://ww
37 Baroque : Yup playing right along to the Hamas script.
38 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Killings take on both sides. Four Israelis killed in shooting attack near Hebron “Hamas claims responsibility for West Bank attack in which two men
39 EDKA : Yes, i disagree with the Rabbi, more than that, i dont know one single person in Israel (and i know quite few, friends and family) that would agree w
40 ly001 : As an Israeli I can say thatI totaly disagree with the words of the Rabi and discussed from it. I can also tell you that this is not only my opinion
41 Post contains images TheCommodore : Wrong it's not quite clear at all, well perhaps only to a few of you! And for the record, it's not what I said. Come on now, I see your comparing Par
42 BMI727 : I think that peace needs Israel more than Israel needs peace. Life is currently on their terms for the most part, and pretty much any long term resol
43 777way : Two sides of the same coin Muslims and Jews.[Edited 2010-09-01 20:18:24]
44 Baroque : Now it seems clear that there is no support for the Rabbi, it appears that both "sides" of the thread are actually the same side. At the time the ques
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