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Death By IPod  
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/pedes...lamed-on-ipods-20100905-14w4d.html

The ''iPod zombie trance'' people get into when walking, driving or pedalling around listening to their mobile devices is being blamed for an increase in collisions and even deaths in Europe and the US.

Not having an iPod, I would not be at all surprised. This seems to parallel the death by using a mobile phone while driving phenomenon?

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User currently offlineGingerSnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

There was once a time, I used to blast music in my ears whilst walking alongside (and crossing) busy roads.
I was lucky, and was never hit by an unfortunate motorist.

However, there have been a few incidents where I was almost at the point of having to dive out the way of traffic, because of how stupid I was with my music.
I always make sure I turn off any music or take the phone away from my ear when crossing roads. Don't make yourself a victim through your own stupidity is my mindset these days.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

I've noticed that "zombie" thing in myself, so now I make sure to double-check with my eyes what my ears can't hear if I'm listening to music. Hope I never forget to do that...


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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Alan - did you have to promote Harold Scruby any further!!!!  

The accident was terrible, and I have to admit I took things even more carefully on the way to work today. But for an idiotic call for regulation to save people from themselves is just Scruby's usual media seeking.

Can anyone explain to me why ipods are worse the Walkmans, and show me the data for the spike in hearing loss which happened as a result of walkmans in the 1980s?  


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2221 times:
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Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 3):
Can anyone explain to me why ipods are worse the Walkmans,

In isolation they are no worse, just that now there are more of them.
I worked in the audio industry in the '70s & '80s, the issue of hearing damage and injury/death was raised at the time but they were never as ubiquitous as modern portable music players.

The unfortunate woman in Glebe Friday, all she had to do was look, Australian ambulances are pretty easy to see with all their lights on!

Cheers



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Baroque (Thread starter):
This seems to parallel the death by using a mobile phone while driving phenomenon?

And not only driving Alan, walking aswell .

Once saw a woman, mid 20 chatting away on the mobile while merrily about to cross a major pedestrian intersection and not paying attention to cars turning right on a green arrow, unbeliveable.... Well the outcome was nothing compared to this poor woman of course, but it could have been.

I think people really need to stop if they are on the phone, its all consuming !!

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 3):
Alan - did you have to promote Harold Scruby any further!!!!

LoL, cant stand the man myself but that's another thread!!

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 3):
But for an idiotic call for regulation to save people from themselves is just Scruby's usual media seeking.

I believe they have already, on some trains and buses, signs warning you to pay attention while boarding or disembarking if you have a listening device on. This is the world we live in these days, Warning Warning Warming !

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 3):
Can anyone explain to me why ipods are worse the Walkmans, and show me the data for the spike in hearing loss which happened as a result of walkmans in the 1980s?

Not even sure if there would be any records kept of such things back then. Besides the numbers of walkmans compared to ipods would make it almost impossible to calculate.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 4):
I worked in the audio industry in the '70s & '80s, the issue of hearing damage and injury/death was raised at the time but they were never as ubiquitous as modern portable music players.

I think huge numbers of people from that generation are going to need hearing aids as we age, Myself included. There was nothing like standing next to the speakers as the music rages on !!   



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8873 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):
Quoting Baroque (Thread starter):
This seems to parallel the death by using a mobile phone while driving phenomenon?

And not only driving Alan, walking aswell .

A local girl 16 years old, was killed last school year by a school bus at the school, the bus turned into the school street, she had her IPOD on, tragic result.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Funny how these articles seem to mainly target the iPod, when in reality the same would happen with any type of portable music player, even a phone.

It's the price of fame, I suppose.



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

That's why I always ride my bike with one earbud dangling out of my ear so I can always hear cars/trucks approaching...

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 7):
Funny how these articles seem to mainly target the iPod, when in reality the same would happen with any type of portable music player, even a phone.

It's the price of fame, I suppose.

Quite the opposite in my opinion - the article shows how successful the iPod is. The iPod basically means any portable music player, just as Kleenex means tissue paper.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting Elite (Reply 9):
The iPod basically means any portable music player, just as Kleenex means tissue paper.

I guess you're right, however much I hate to admit it.

The iPod is the new Walkman...



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):
And not only driving, walking as well .

I guess so, I certainly have nearly collided with a few plugged in walkers in the local mall.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 3):
- did you have to promote Harold Scruby any further!!!!

The accident was terrible, and I have to admit I took things even more carefully on the way to work today. But for an idiotic call for regulation to save people from themselves is just Scruby's usual media seeking.

I take your point and I posted the article not least to see if this is an article aimed at decreasing the influence of the Harold Sruby's (Srewby????) of this world. For those outside his orbit - lucky you - Harold Scruby is a self appointed road, but particularly pedestrian, safety fanatic and publicity seeker who (it appears) has single handed dropped most city speed limits from 60 kph to 50 kph and got school 40 kph limits that apply for some strange times of the day and for term days - if you happen to know what they are.

In other words he has turned our roads into a nightmare of changing - with location and time - speed limits. I can assure you Kent I hate him at least as much as you. I rather hope that this sort of event might produce a more logical approach to road safety.

One start would be removing a high proportion of the distracting road signs. That might help in spotting things like traffic lights that can be hidden in the general mess of distractions. It might also leave more time to spot idiots who are so lost in their Ipods that they have no idea of their surroundings. We have overhead signs some of which have useful information such as the road ahead is blocked by a traffic accident, but most commonly try to attract your attention to find it is illegal not to secure your load!!!!


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

I don't have an iPod or any mp3 player so it isn't an issue for me, but surely it's just the same as any risk. You're supposed to look after your own survival and manage the risks yourself without the need for blaming all in sundry for what is essential a self inflicted injury.

If you can't manage that then the human race doesn't need your genes in the gene pool.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 12):
If you can't manage that then the human race doesn't need your genes in the gene pool.

      I will buy that!!


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):
I think huge numbers of people from that generation are going to need hearing aids as we age, Myself included

Don't forget the noise of jet engines is pretty damaging too! So double the damage for some people on this forum  



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):
I think huge numbers of people from that generation are going to need hearing aids as we age, Myself included

Don't forget the noise of jet engines is pretty damaging too! So double the damage for some people on this forum

Back in the sixties, I worked in an office where the Joint Coal Board doctors* tested miner's hearing. This was done because of high noise levels down the mines. Even in those days, young entrants to the industry had worse hearing than miners with 20 or 30 years down the mines. This was because the miners took care of their hearing but the young lads had been exposed to high volume "music".

Similar might hold for those in aviation - I hope!!

*The same doctors used to show us pictures of dead miners lungs and contrast the long term non-smokers with smokers lungs. If ever they wanted to run a non smoking campaign they should have got those doctors to do it.


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 11):
I can assure you Kent I hate him at least as much as you.

There was a smiley there!   But I am pleased you have confirmed that point  

There is a quote around form a few years ago that the Pedestrian Council of Australia is "Harold Scruby and a fax machine". He damages the good they do (and I they have done some, I'm sure..) with his attention seeking statements and loony campaigns. This is certainly one of the latter statement, although they are currently running a quite reasonable compaign along the "pay attention to your surroundings whilst listening to your music" lines.

My refs. to Walkman were just highlighting some of the sky is falling predictions of the 1980s which didn't come to pass. Yes, especially with smartphones, the headphone world is perhaps a more ubiquitous these days, but the Walkman didn't cause the sky to fall, and I don't see that modern players will either.....


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2029 times:

For me it's pedestrian versus pedestrian... My pet peeve right now is the smart phone users who wander slowly in the middle of the footpath typing SMS's or playing games (and then sit in the ends of the train carriages, legs spread wide focused on the games, when there are plenty of seats up and down stairs). I feel the urge to commit stroller rage upon them. There's a reason why little Alex has his legs straight out ready to kick them!   

In the old Walkman days the earphones were generally so crap that you could hear the traffic anyway.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):
I think huge numbers of people from that generation are going to need hearing aids as we age, Myself included.

Waiting for Steve Jobs to announce the iAid, the shiniest hearing aid ever invented. It will automatically shut off whenever someone tells the wearer that Apple didn't invent the hearing aid.



Applying insanity to normality
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Sure enough the dreaded Scruby has a starring role on PM as I t(r)ipe!!! He suggests Beethoven's Ninth would be a hazard. Not my fav Beethoven, but hardly as bad as some noises I could mention - if it were polite!

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

So a DiePod if you will.

User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 19):
So a DiePod if you will.


  

But seriously...

It's not so much that folks now listen to music or write SMS while walking, driving, et cetera.

The problem is that we have bred a generation (or two) which is almost never fully "in the moment" at any given time.

While they're listening to their favorite song of the moment, they're thinking about texting their friends to meet up. When they start texting, they're driving or walking to get somewhere to meet up with said friends. Once they're there, they begin thinking about what to write on their Facebook wall to describe the event in all its glory.

I was out at a mall recently, and saw a pair of teenage girls (16 or so, I'm guessing) who were sitting together on a bench. Each had a music player, and they had split their earbuds so that each had one earbud from each player.

And they were texting at the same time.



RR


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting rottenray (Reply 20):
The problem is that we have bred a generation (or two) which is almost never fully "in the moment" at any given time.

It's sad, but true. One can only hope that people grow out of this. All this social networking and forum stuff is nice and pretty, but it does get you hooked.



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
One can only hope that people grow out of this. All this social networking and forum stuff is nice and pretty, but it does get you hooked.

I had to laugh at my middle aged boss. She was so excited to send her first "tweet". Each tweet has to be workshopped to make certain that the message is right.

I wonder if anyone remembers IRC (Internet Relay Chat). I was hooked on that back in the old Unix terminal era, even met my (now) wife there. But I think you get over this online chatting after a while and realise that it's better to communicate in person, or not at all. Although this a.net thing is strangely addictive...  

Back to iPods, I don't understand why people have to turn up the volumes so loud. I safely navigate several busy intersections on foot this morning with earphones in, just using my eyes (and legs!).



Applying insanity to normality
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting Baroque (Thread starter):
This seems to parallel the death by using a mobile phone while driving phenomenon?

Actually it's more like turning on the radio or slipping a CD in. Not that hard to get the music going before you start driving, or keeping the volume at a level that saves your ears.

As for the phones in a car - make them illegal without bluetooth or other hands free devices. From what I see in TUL we can fund half the City budget with fines for driving with a phone to the ear.


User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
All this social networking and forum stuff is nice and pretty


Actually, a lot of it is deliberately "dumbed-down" to help create an easily-monetized following.

In other words, create a "space" or a "book" where communication is fast, often inaccurate, but very easy - and you have fine-tuned the "crowd" to be more accepting of suggestive media they would reject were they using their full brainpower.

Have a look at http://failbook.failblog.org/ and you'll see what I'm talking about. This is a site which presents user-uploaded screenshots of the very stupidest postings on Facebook.

It is both funny and tragically disappointing at the same time...



Quoting allrite (Reply 22):
Although this a.net thing is strangely addictive...


Aviation fans are generally fairly smart folks who appreciate the discipline and technology involved in human flight. Anet is probably the best forum, due in no small part to the immense database of photographs. I think this helps attract a "better" grade of member, hence better and more informative discussions. There is another forum I visit when I need a dose of snobbery and pedantry, and yet another when I want to catch up on things in New York.

But as far as really enjoying myself? Here!



RR


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