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Iran Paying Taliban To Kill U.S. Troops  
User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09...ort-iran-pays-taliban-kill-troops/

So this is from the Sunday Times...

"The Iranian embassy in Kabul refused to respond to the allegations. But according to the Taliban treasurer, who has been interviewed by The Sunday Times, Iran is paying bonuses of $1,000 for killing an American soldier and $6,000 for destroying a U.S. military vehicle."

It is no surprise that Iran is a sponsor of terror, although it might come as a shock to the Iran cheerleaders on this board.

I still cant believe the west is still playing nice with Iran. They have nothing but ill intent for the region and for the west.

How long do we sit around until someone wakes up?


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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Is that more or less than what Pakistan is paying?

User currently offlinedeltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Very unfortunate, but as you said not exactly shocking to those of us who don't blindly support Iran as some sort of champion of the wrongly accused.

I wouldn't expect much more solid opposition to Iran anytime in the near future, however, with China and Russia relishing their ability to frustrate any western consensus no matter how reasonable. And the U.S. has certainly learned its lesson on acting unilaterally...


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2734 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

WOW..... imagine that. A foreign government paying to influence events in a 3rd country. Reminds me of old Ollie North funneling funds from Iranian arms sales to fund the Contras in Central America. Guess you Yanks don't like it when someone else plays the same game against you.

Tit for tat, eh?


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Quoting flanker (Thread starter):
It is no surprise that Iran is a sponsor of terror, although it might come as a shock to the Iran cheerleaders on this board.

I'm pretty sure the US knows plenty about sponsoring terror.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 5):
WOW..... imagine that. A foreign government paying to influence events in a 3rd country. Reminds me of old Ollie North funneling funds from Iranian arms sales to fund the Contras in Central America. Guess you Yanks don't like it when someone else plays the same game against you.

Tit for tat, eh?

Indeed. Sucks to be on the receiving end of things.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting flanker (Thread starter):
"The Iranian embassy in Kabul refused to respond to the allegations. But according to the Taliban treasurer, who has been interviewed by The Sunday Times, Iran is paying bonuses of $1,000 for killing an American soldier and $6,000 for destroying a U.S. military vehicle."

If it's true we might just have to encourage the Israelis to saddle up and go blow up a few things.

[Edited 2010-09-05 16:12:04]


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User currently offlinedeltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Have to love that a bastardized version of "an eye for an eye" is the consensus defense for Iran here. Truly unassailable (read: kindergarten playground) logic  

User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1290 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Iran and the Taliban would certainly be a case of strange bedfellows. It's also indicative of increasing Taliban independence and Pakistani weakness, if true. You've gotta take this stuff with a grain of salt, though. Information like this usually becomes public for a reason, and that's often not veracity. For example, consider the apparent source (described in the MSNBC story): taking a single Afghan farmer of unclear background at face value, and extrapolating the rest from there. Just because the companies are run by people who appear to be Iranian does not make them instruments of the Iranian government. There are also other groups in Afghanistan that would likely be more compatible with Iranian interests than the Taliban, though the association would be more obvious. Things in Afghanistan and the intelligence world are usually a hell of a lot more complicated than this report makes out.

That said, with reduced targets in Iraq, Afghanistan is the most convenient second front for an Iran-US proxy war. If that's the case, bad move by Iran. As this incident shows, it helps a lot to have reliable proxies.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure the US knows plenty about sponsoring terror.

Knowing how to play the game, helps knowing how to win the game. We are part of a large crowd, so who does not particpate?

Quoting Acheron (Reply 8):
Indeed. Sucks to be on the receiving end of things.

I think we are tough enough to take the blows and give bigger ones when called for.



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 10):
Knowing how to play the game, helps knowing how to win the game. We are part of a large crowd, so who does not particpate?

But seems some of your compatriots are totally surprised and outraged when either such things are mentioned or when in the receiving end of the tactic.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 10):
I think we are tough enough to take the blows and give bigger ones when called for.

As long the receiver doesn't have any actual means or capabilities of answering back in any real harmful way, seeing the conflicts the US has been involved in the last 20 years.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 11):
Quoting Acheron (Reply 11):
But seems some of your compatriots are totally surprised and outraged when either such things are mentioned or when in the receiving end of the tactic.

I think that most realize the game that is afoot, kill, or be killed.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 11):
As long the receiver doesn't have any actual means or capabilities of answering back in any real harmful way, seeing the conflicts the US has been involved in the last 20 years.

That is how we stay free. Kill them, before they kill us. I have no problem witht that, never have.



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User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2734 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 12):
That is how we stay free. Kill them, before they kill us. I have no problem witht that, never have.

I'm sure that is somewhat comforting to the over 100,000 Iraqi civilians that the USA has murdered, who were absolutely no threat to the USA. Wern't involved in any way in 9/11, never had weapons of mass distruction (despite all that has been said and years of searching) but sadly sat on a pile of oil that the Americans wanted control of.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):
I'm sure that is somewhat comforting to the over 100,000 Iraqi civilians that the USA has murdered, who were absolutely no threat to the USA. Wern't involved in any way in 9/11, never had weapons of mass distruction (despite all that has been said and years of searching) but sadly sat on a pile of oil that the Americans wanted

They are dead, just like the victims of 9/11. Just as millions are dead at the hands of all the maniacs out there through history. The US is a Piker when it comes to innocent deaths. Read history, just in the last century. See who the big boys are in the death game.



It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 12):
Quoting Acheron (Reply 11):
As long the receiver doesn't have any actual means or capabilities of answering back in any real harmful way, seeing the conflicts the US has been involved in the last 20 years.

That is how we stay free. Kill them, before they kill us.

You do realize that your logic is defeated by Acheron's statement that "the receiver doesn't have any actual means or capabilities of answering back in any real harmful way", right?

-Mir



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 11):
But seems some of your compatriots are totally surprised and outraged when either such things are mentioned or when in the receiving end of the tactic.

Surprised? No. Outraged? No. It is however an act of war, to which we may choose to answer in a way we say fit. Taking out Iran's religious leaders, for instance.

[Edited 2010-09-06 12:54:17 by srbmod]


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User currently offlinedeltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):
I'm sure that is somewhat comforting to the over 100,000 Iraqi civilians that the USA has murdered, who were absolutely no threat to the USA. Wern't involved in any way in 9/11, never had weapons of mass distruction (despite all that has been said and years of searching) but sadly sat on a pile of oil that the Americans wanted control of.

Not that this is even relevant here, but: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html I apologize for using Time instead of perhaps a more official source, but the story is the same and verifiable elsewhere...

And your civilian death toll is oversimplified to the max. For instance, when innocent Iraqi's are killed by a suicide bomber, they have not been "murdered by the USA". The civilian death toll in Iraq is tragic, but the US is absolutely not the only belligerent.

Of course, this thread was about Iran supporting terrorism.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 11):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 10):
I think we are tough enough to take the blows and give bigger ones when called for.


As long the receiver doesn't have any actual means or capabilities of answering back in any real harmful way, seeing the conflicts the US has been involved in the last 20 years.
Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
You do realize that your logic is defeated by Acheron's statement that "the receiver doesn't have any actual means or capabilities of answering back in any real harmful way", right?


We cannot all be nuclear powers, if that is what he is inferring, we cannot all have million man armies, if that is what he is inferring. The strong dominate the weak, the weak can strike, (9/11) but the strong can demolish the weak, that is the way of the nuclear armed. We are wise to make sure that the weak do not become strong, militarily that is, including nuclear weapons. We are strong conventionally and nuclear. That is my logic.



It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
If it's true we might just have to encourage the Israelis to saddle up and go blow up a few things.

Won't happen, unless Israel really steps out of line we or Israel aren't doing anything. They control the oil.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 17):
Of course, this thread was about Iran supporting terrorism.

It's actually not terrorism. It could be considered an act of war. Illegal war at that, since companies don't have the legal standing to wage war, by themselves or by proxy. It becomes legal war if the Iranian government is shown to be behind it (which wouldn't surprise me at all), but we'd then be justified in hitting back at them.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2404 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
You do realize that your logic is defeated by Acheron's statement that "the receiver doesn't have any actual means or capabilities of answering back in any real harmful way", right?


It can't come as a surprise to you that the mightiest countries decide the most regardless of their politics.

I am sure that if Iran was more powerful than the US, they would attack the US in an instant. And I sure prefer countries such as the US over countries such as Iraq or Iran or even China to dominate the world.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 3):
Tit for tat, eh?

You realize that the CF personnel fall under that category as well, eh? It's highly doubtful Iran only put a bounty on the US troops of the ISAF.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):

Since when is the Taliban in Iraq? This has to do with the war our country is involved in, alongside our allies from the ISAF. The next time you see one of our own come home in a wooden box, remember who paid the killer to do it.



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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 12):
That is how we stay free. Kill them, before they kill us. I have no problem witht that, never have.

As you wish mr LeMay  



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User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2734 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
It becomes legal war if the Iranian government is shown to be behind it (which wouldn't surprise me at all), but we'd then be justified in hitting back at them.

And pray tell...... how in ANY WAY is the US "war" in the mid-east anything but an Illegal War as well?


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting flanker (Thread starter):
It is no surprise that Iran is a sponsor of terror

You have got to be joking. The US is allowed to attack an innocent country (Afghanistan) and yet any kind of blowback is terrorism?! Undesirable, perhaps, but terrorism it most certainly is not.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 3):
WOW..... imagine that. A foreign government paying to influence events in a 3rd country. Reminds me of old Ollie North funneling funds from Iranian arms sales to fund the Contras in Central America. Guess you Yanks don't like it when someone else plays the same game against you

Now someone's talking sense.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
If it's true we might just have to encourage the Israelis to saddle up and go blow up a few things.

Sounds like a dictionary definition of terrorism to me.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

I suppose this must be why the Pakistan Taliban just blew up a mosque full of Shia in Pakistan. If the US has managed to persuade the Shia Iranians to collaborate with the Salafist Taliban, it is indeed a major achievement. Something that 1400 years of Islam could not manage.  Wow!

A bit more likely that any funds for rewards would be coming from a certain fairly rich country where the Salafist movement originates do you not think. What better cover than to suggest it is Iran?


25 Post contains images Pyrex : Someone actually suggesting Afghanistan is an innocent country (and I am sure the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, did they?). What a way to dest
26 Post contains images Baroque : Or even a bit beyond strange?
27 BMI727 : Peace through superior firepower. It's not terrorism when we do it.
28 mham001 : Exactly. No whining, just hit them harder in return.
29 AGM100 : So here is the question ... Which side do you prefer prevails in Afghanistan .... ? 1. USA and Western democracies . 2. Iran , AQ , Taliban Choose sid
30 UH60FtRucker : I'm hesitant to give any of your comments the time and effort of a response... and honestly, I suspect intellectual honesty and facts have little app
31 OA412 : Of course it is. Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. You don't see it as terrorism because you support the action. Those of us who can look past
32 AirPacific747 : So you're seeing the Taleban as freedom fighters? Fighting for whose freedom? The Afghani people? Also - would you prefer to live in a country ruled
33 UH60FtRucker : ...And I said exactly that. Go back and reread the entire post. It's now obvious that there were a lot of barbaric tribal people, who were eager to k
34 Scorpio : Huh? Where did he ever defend the Taliban?
35 AirPacific747 : Here: If the US and the rest of the ISAF are the terrorists - surely taleban must be the freedom fighters according to OA412?
36 Post contains links Dreadnought : Moral relativism rears its head again. It is NOT in the eye of the beholder. Terrorism is when a group uses indiscriminate attacks on innocent popula
37 Scorpio : You're doing an AWFUL lot of assuming here. You're first assuming (wrongly) that OA's post referred to the US and ISAF's actions in Afghanistan. Then
38 AirPacific747 : Because an AWFUL lot is implied as well.. How can you tell that the comment wasn't about Afghanistan? We're discussing the involvement of the US in t
39 Scorpio : Because it's in response to the suggestion Israel should 'blow up a few things'? The whole area is one giant clusterfuck, with no end in sight. There
40 Post contains images Mir : That's been rehashed over and over again, and I'm not going to get into it in this thread - suffice to say that there is a case to be made for the US
41 Post contains images OA412 : What the hell? There have been a lot of bizarre assumptions made about my post above. On this we can actually agree. Getting rid of Saddam brings up s
42 photopilot : Actually, that's a rather simplistic look at a nearly 2000 year old culture. Afghanistan has always been a fuedal tribal hodgepodge of various warlor
43 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : *Sigh* The anti-US sentiment is alive and well on this board and this thread is proof of it. What also strikes me as odd is the responses on here when
44 BMI727 : So, put whatever sort of moral or philosophical spin on it so you can sleep at night. At the end of the day all we have is the belief that we are rig
45 Mir : I'm using the definition of terrorism as normally defined in international law (targeting and killing civilians in order to bring about fear or polic
46 BMI727 : That approach works too. Isn't that the big unspoken purpose of going terrorist hunting in Afghanistan: better there than here and better them than u
47 Dreadnought : Whoever wrote that definition should be waterboarded. Tell me, are the Taliban or Al Qaeda civilian or military? Neither? Both? To me they are not mi
48 Mir : Personally, I think they're unlawful combatants. But that's irrelevant, since I was talking about the definition of a terrorist act, and both civilia
49 MD11Engineer : I highly doubt that Iran finances or supports the Talin due to the following reason: The Taliban (and Al Qaeda) are Sunni fundamentalists, who regard
50 elmothehobo : The great irony in this is that in 1997 Iran damn near invaded Afghanistan after the Taliban rolled into Mazar-e-Sharif, rounded up Shi'a, ransacked t
51 elmothehobo : As for the Pakistani Taliban's attacks on Shi'a, it boils down to the fact that Pakistani Taliban (Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistani) and the Afghan Taliban
52 FlyDeltaJets87 : Right or wrong, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" has been proven throughout all of history. The US and UK came together with the USSR to defeat t
53 elmothehobo : Iran is leveraging the Taliban like they have Hamas and Hezbollah to get the United States to negotiate with them. The Grand Bargain of 2003 clearly
54 Dreadnought : The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I recall well the overtures that were made at the time. The problem was that every time Khatami would say somethi
55 Post contains images photopilot : Oh, have you not heard of Abu Ghraib and those wonderful soldiers of the 372nd Military Police Company? Professionalism and respecting the rules and
56 Dreadnought : Have you not heard that the people who went over the line were tried and convicted, and that their commanding officers have been demoted or their car
57 photopilot : Not often enough at Gitmo!!!
58 Dreadnought : So you've been there? As a detainee, perhaps?
59 elmothehobo : Which had everything to do with Dick Cheney's absurd meddling. The Swiss embassy, acting as our intermediaries, passed the Grand Bargain on from Iran
60 Dreadnought : That does not tie up what I was told by my friend, who was a Middle East staffer at the State department for 20 years. Personally I wasn't there, but
61 Baroque : That is how I remember it. And so it this, really Charles your contact in State has to be very convincing to beat the track record of C, B, R and W.
62 Post contains images stasisLAX : The overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953 by the intelligence agencies of the UK an
63 elmothehobo : A congressional staff member who was intimately familiar with the dealing and now a leading expert on US-Iran relations told me (and a dozen other pe
64 Post contains links Baroque : I did say list the penalties Let us take Dilawar; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_%28torture_victim%29 Leaked internal United States Army docume
65 Post contains links Acheron : Winning hearts and minds alright, or should we say fingers?. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingers
66 elmothehobo : While the moral failure of a few soldiers is abhorrent, it is clearly not reflective of the United States military, by any stretch.
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