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F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

On we go, to the Italian Grand Prix - Gran Premio Santander d'Italia - in Monza!

Some History:

Monza is the oldest race on the F1 calendar. It was first held in 1922, making Monza the oldest track as well.

Michael Schumacher is the driver with the most wins at Monza.
5 wins for Michael Schumacher 1996, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006

Ferrari is the constructor with the most wins at Monza.
18 wins for Ferrari 1949, 1951, 1952, 1960, 1961, 1964, 1966, 1970, 1975, 1979, 1988, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006

The Italian Grand Prix was also one of the inaugural Formula One championship races in 1950, and has been held every year since then.

Date: Sunday 12 September
Lap length: 3.510 miles
Race laps: 53
Nicknamed the Pista Magica in Italy, Monza is the quickest circuit in F1, with cars reaching a top speed of 215 mph on the long pit straight.

Definitely my top favourite Formula 1 race with Monaco.

Circuit map with information
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conten...010/08/14_Italy_EN_CMYK_300dpi.jpg

On board with Nigel Mansell in 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hn8yclQGw8

I will be posted in Grandstand 20 Saturday and Sunday, between Variante Ascari and Curva Parabolica 11 in the straight line. I will move about the track on Friday for as much as I can. Thursday will be the visit at the garages and drivers signings in the pit lane. A lot of excitement on sight.

Some happy news to close this first post:

Kamui Kobayashi to remain with Formula 1 team Sauber
Japanese driver Kamui Kobayashi is to remain with Sauber for the 2011 season, the Formula 1 team have confirmed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8975347.stm

Kamui is King!

        


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Thanks for opening the thread, Madame C !

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
On board with Nigel Mansell in 1988

Good old times   

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Japanese driver Kamui Kobayashi is to remain with Sauber for the 2011 season, the Formula 1 team have confirmed.

Good news! Kamui is a good driver and deserves to continue in F1. Hopefully Sauber will be a bit more competitive next year.

In other news, Lotus and Renault are negociating for engine supplies next year. But Lotus is under contract with Cosworth until 2012, so I don't know if the latter would agree to cancel the contract... Lotus and Renault have already collaborated in the 80s, giving Ayrton Senna his first victories in Formula 1.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86450



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Thanks Madame C for opening the thread.

I'm hoping for a solid result (1-2) for McLaren....

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
On board with Nigel Mansell in 1988

This is both a computer simulation and on the old track...so allow me to add something a bit more relevant...

Onboard with Kimi Raikkonen 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Is1lKGDco


Two other notes:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86449
A lap of the new Korea track with Karun Chandhok in a Red Bull....
I'm under the opinion that this track is far from ready....doesn't look like there are grandstands or kerbs....it's going to be interesting.

The WMSC meeting on Ferrari is tomorrow....If they get their drivers' points revoked, surely they'll be out of contention for the title. In which case it'll be a 4 (not prancing) horse race...with Mark W and Lewis H in the lead.

[Edited 2010-09-07 06:46:19]

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Lewis Hamilton

“Our victory in Belgium showed that, as a team, we never give up, and that we’ll always bounce back from adversity feeling stronger and more determined than before. This team has such an incredible fighting spirit – we strive to win, and I hope that Spa is only the start of a run of stronger form for us as we head into the final races of the championship.

“I’ve made no secret of my wish to win this race. Monza is an incredible circuit – full of history and stories from the past. It has a special feeling in the air that you don’t find anywhere else in the world. It’s a circuit that inspires you to race at your limit, and I’ll be pushing hard all weekend.

“Finally, I’m looking forward to meeting the Italian fans this weekend. I pretty much grew up racing karts in Italy, so I’ve always appreciated and understood the passion and support of the fans for Formula 1, and motorsport in general.

“Even if it’s not always obvious, I know that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes does have a deep pocket of support in Italy. So I hope the whole team can have another great race at one of the classic tracks in Formula 1.”

  



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

Not Monza related, but still interesting nonetheless. A lap on the new Korean circuit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIp258UMo5s&feature=player_embedded



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Re the new track in Korea, are they going to add a race next season or will another race disappear from the calendar? I still haven't figured it out.
Koreans work 24/7 I doubt they have social protection like in Europe so the track will probably be finished very quickly with all the equpment and buildings set up, with the grandstands and all.
F1 is taking new directions with these new tracks. I much prefer the old style.   



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User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
The WMSC meeting on Ferrari is tomorrow....If they get their drivers' points revoked, surely they'll be out of contention for the title

That would be a travesty, let's hope that's not the case. I'm hoping they just stay with the original fine and leave it at that....forza Ferrari!


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 6):
That would be a travesty, let's hope that's not the case. I'm hoping they just stay with the original fine and leave it at that....forza Ferrari!

The fine is nothing to Ferrari. If there is only a fine, they will do it again.

I seriously hope Ferrari get their manufacturer's points revoked for this race.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
I'm under the opinion that this track is far from ready

Still alot missing by the looks of things.

Not a big deal though, but i wonder why Chandhok was chosen for this event. He doesn't have any connections with RBR or Red Bull. Or am I wrong?



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 8):

Not a big deal though, but i wonder why Chandhok was chosen for this event. He doesn't have any connections with RBR or Red Bull. Or am I wrong?

No he's still under contract at HRT, but he's not driving and Red Bull drivers (all four of them) had committments.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 6):
That would be a travesty, let's hope that's not the case. I'm hoping they just stay with the original fine and leave it at that....forza Ferrari!

As Graham mentioned above I don't think it's fair for them just to get a fine. They should be punished fairly harshly especially given how others have been punished in the past. I'm thinking Drivers and Constructors points get taken away....This will undoubtably put F1 into another scandal with Loco Di Montezemolo or whatever screaming bloody mary, trying to sue the FIA in court....lose and then say Ferrari is leaving F1 and then they won't...and hten they'll proceed to whine about race result until the end of the season.... Add in blaming (mostly) McLaren and (partially) Red Bull in there somewhere as well.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
A lap of the new Korea track with Karun Chandhok in a Red Bull...
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
A lap on the new Korean circuit:

Mmmh, I should learn how to read posts properly....



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5229 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 8):
He doesn't have any connections with RBR or Red Bull. Or am I wrong?

He was part of the Red Bull Driver development program like Vettel and others, this likely entails some sort of ongoing relationship or personal sponsorship.. and he was available

Cheers



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Predicting McLaren 1-2 finish here, and Force India 3rd and 4th. Renault should also be very strong here too.

I think this won't be one of Redbull's stronger circuits unless they can get some more speed from car in a straight line.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
Mmmh, I should learn how to read posts properly....

Shame on you!

Quoting stealthz (Reply 11):
He was part of the Red Bull Driver development program like Vettel and others, this likely entails some sort of ongoing relationship or personal sponsorship.. and he was available

Oh ok. Thanks for the info. Or maybe i need to write "Thanks for sharing" 



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Re the new track in Korea, are they going to add a race next season or will another race disappear from the calendar? I still haven't figured it out.
http://www.formula1.com/races/calendar.html
Check out #17 on this year's calendar and you'll have your answer  . It was added to the 2010 schedule a long time ago, though I must admit I forgot about it until the news started appearing recently that the track might not be ready.


User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
As Graham mentioned above I don't think it's fair for them just to get a fine. They should be punished fairly harshly especially given how others have been punished in the past. I'm thinking Drivers and Constructors points get taken away....This will undoubtably put F1 into another scandal with Loco Di Montezemolo or whatever screaming bloody mary, trying to sue the FIA in court....lose and then say Ferrari is leaving F1 and then they won't...and hten they'll proceed to whine about race result until the end of the season.... Add in blaming (mostly) McLaren and (partially) Red Bull in there somewhere as well

Punished for what? For pointing out to Massa what was pretty clear to everyone else....that Alonso was (and is) the faster driver of the two? I get a kick out of the hypocrisy in Formula 1: team orders endanger the integrity of the sport....  


User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 15):
Punished for what? For pointing out to Massa what was pretty clear to everyone else....that Alonso was (and is) the faster driver of the two? I get a kick out of the hypocrisy in Formula 1: team orders endanger the integrity of the sport....

It is a stupid rule, and James Allen makes a good point on his blog-
"And for the sake of consistency I would like to know why this German GP incident is such a big deal when Ferrari has twice used team orders which directly – and very publicly – affected the outcome of the world championship, in 2007. Massa let Raikkonen through to win the race and that gave him the championship. Not a single fan or commentator or rival team had a problem with that, but it was just as much a team order as the German GP. The difference is that everyone accepts it in the last race, they don’t accept it at the 11th round of 19.

So let’s be grown up about this. The rule which says “No team orders” is ridiculous and unworkable and we need a sensible, workable alternative to come out of today’s hearing."

The difference in 2007 was of course that there were no radio commands that were so clear in their intent. However, should Ferrari be punished because Smedley's tone was apologetic? That's absurd. They should just eliminate the rule about team orders and be done with it. Maybe ban team orders for the last 2 laps of a race, so we don't have a final corner slowdown like Austria in 2001 and 2002, but they have a place in F1 and always have.


User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Verdict is in- While team orders may be on the rule books, they are going to be ignored by the FIA. No further punishment by the FIA beyond the paltry 100,000 fine imposed by the stewards. Although it goes against the letter of the rules, this is the proper verdict. No need to harm this year's exciting championship contest because of a rule that shouldn't be there in the first place, and should have been officially revoked today.

User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 15):
Punished for what? For pointing out to Massa what was pretty clear to everyone else....that Alonso was (and is) the faster driver of the two? I get a kick out of the hypocrisy in Formula 1: team orders endanger the integrity of the sport....

You haven't been involved in prior discussions, So I'll let you go on this... But it was mentioned a number of times and I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the team orders rule is stupid and has been done by all teams since it was banned....but Ferrari made no attempt to hide the fact.

If you want to get involved in discussions regarding hypocricy, I'm sure you'll find a number of people who will argue that Ferrari have gotten their way (while other teams have been penalized) on a number of occasions. I know you' would have at least ONE fan who always has his Ferrari Blinders on... (Points at EZEIZA...  Silly )

On this occasion...I think the WMSC got it wrong. Yes there was no CLEAR indication that Ferrari used Team Orders illegally but it really was completely blatent and obvious...I must make the cliche statement---> Had this been any other team (in previous years, caveat added)....

[Edited 2010-09-08 10:46:17]

User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
You haven't been involved in prior discussions, So I'll let you go on this... But it was mentioned a number of times and I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the team orders rule is stupid and has been done by all teams since it was banned....but Ferrari made no attempt to hide the fact

If by involvement you mean posting, you are correct, I haven't been involved. I have however been following this forum for quite a while and by the sound of it, we are in agreement that the team orders rule is stupid. As to whether Ferrari made an attempt to hide (or disguise) their order, I think most tifosi would disagree with you.

Let's agree to disagree shall we? Here's to Alonso winning Monza and tightening the points race   


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Another splendid decision by the FIA... How come I was so stupid to think that the contrary could happen?

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 16):
They should just eliminate the rule about team orders and be done with it

Good! So let's enjoy races where dice are loaded!

Wait, I have a better idea: prior to race start, let's chose the winner by tossing a coin...  

[Edited 2010-09-08 11:59:11]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 19):
Here's to Alonso winning Monza and tightening the points race

No chance. This is going to be a McLaren 1-2.
Not the Ferraris can't be as fast in those straight lines.
I will be there cheering Hammy for the win, Kamui and Pedro for their remarkable efforts with their not so good car.

Tomorrow's the day!
I will have to find a checkered F1 flag on site to have it signed by all. The rumor is that many old/retired drivers will be around, Sir Jackie and many others. Yeeee!!!!

Forza McLaren Numero Uno!!!

Go Hammy!!!!
Go Kamui the King!!!!
Go Pedro!!!!

                          



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 19):
Let's agree to disagree shall we?

Welcome to the F1 threads.
That said, lets not kick a dead horse.  
It's an endless discussion and we simply have to accept that we who participate in these F1 threads feel different about this rule and the German GP.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86481

Quote:
Formula 1's ban on team orders is to be reviewed after the season following the decision of the FIA not to hand Ferrari any further punishment for breaching the regulations at the German Grand Prix.


I guess this opens the door then. I mean, Ferrari has now set the standard for the team order rule so I bet other teams would like the rule to be scrapped completely so they can start playing around with team orders as well, for free.  



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):

Good! So let's enjoy races where dice are loaded!

Wait, I have a better idea: prior to race start, let's chose the winner by tossing a coin...

You know full well that it's been a part of the sport for as long as the sport has existed. The Auto Union and Mercedes teams in the 1930s changed race outcomes with team orders, the Bugatti team did the same in the 20s, it's happened continually throughout the "modern" era starting in 1950, it's a part of the sport. It's not akin to loading the dice, as it's just one team switching their two drivers' running order. If the whole grid had some sort of agreement worked out in advance, then that would be one thing, but this is just for the rare instance where 2 teammates can improve a team's championship challenge by swapping places. It doesn't happen often and it isn't a big deal, it just became a huge thing because of the way that Rubens allowed MSC to pass despite dominating that race in Austria and especially because of MSC's already dominant position in the championship that year (IIRC, he had the title locked down with 4 races left in the season). If that hadn't happened, and if this weren't Ferrari involved once again, it wouldn't be such a big deal. In 2008 at Hockenheim, Hamilton had to pass Kovalainen to have a chance to attack the leaders after his pitstop. The team told Heikki, and he duly pulled over. Nothing was said about that, and the incident was forgotten. It was exactly the same thing, yet it ended up costing Massa the championship as if Lewis had to fight for the position, he wouldn't have had time to get past the other cars ahead of him. I didn't have a problem with it, as it was Mclaren playing their strategic cards just right, as Ferrari had done to beat them to the title in 2007 with Massa and Raikkonen at Interlagos. It happens, and there's no way to regulate it, so we need to live with it and accept it as part of this being a team sport.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/508...lder-park-not-eyeing-australian-gp

Speaking of team orders... And it seems Dr Helmut Marko is unpleased at McLaren's criticism of Vettel as F1's 'crash kid'.

Sebastian Buemi is also reportedly targeting Mark Webber's seat at Redbull. Never mind the fact that Webber has won more races than anyone else this year.  Yeah sure

[Edited 2010-09-08 21:43:00]

25 Post contains images sudden : Can't blame him for aiming higher though. As far as I know RBR's line-up for next season is done deal, so not sure when Buemi was to take over?
26 bill142 : Good to know that Calder park isn't interested in the GP. If I recall correctly, a V8 supercar, circa 1998 could do a lap there in under a minute. So
27 scbriml : IMHO, that really depends. Given it's a team sport, the very concept of making team orders illegal is simply preposterous. However, as the rules stan
28 Post contains links BlueElephant : Oh They clarified something... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86508 FIA: Ferrari used Illegal team orders....But can't be punished. P.S.
29 Post contains links bill142 : This article seem to suggest that Alonso has used 6 out of 8 engines. http://richardsf1.com/2010/09/07/alo...confident-despite-lack-of-engines/
30 stealthz : So the F1 status quo is maintained... Ferrari gets a couple of free passes- 1/ Team orders, while they agree that the rule was broken no more than a s
31 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZeGbQ0fojo Autosport looks at F1 2010 (the game) in depth.
32 sudden : Interesting quali to say the least. Ferrari really on the ball this weekend. Hamilton looking so strong in Q1 and Q2, but only manages P5 when it coun
33 bill142 : Button should have Alonso off the line. Should make for an interesting start to the race.
34 sudden : Massa's job for tomorrow will be to slow down Hamilton and Webber.
35 MIAspotter : Can he comfirm that he understand the message? Good job to Alonso, glad to see a Ferrari on pole again, should be an interesting start of the race to
36 Aesma : I don't think Ferrari is at the right place, I feel they're pushing the engines hard, expect a failure tomorrow, or a quite slower pace. I'm glad Butt
37 waterpolodan : That's sort of silly, they have rev limiters so there really is no way for them to push the engines harder than they do at any other track. Also, the
38 Baroque : Nah, they will be "relying" on Vettel to demolish part of the field. Trouble is working out which part he will demolish.
39 sudden : What is that supposed to mean? He very kindly moved over in Germany. And what his boss says, goes. Not that I have heard that he will be breaking the
40 Post contains images MIAspotter : Nothing, just trying to add some sarcasm. MIAspotter
41 MadameConcorde : Third day at the racing track in the middle of the Monza madness. Huge crowds. Never seen so many people. Ferrari fans by the thousands. They own the
42 Post contains images codeshare : Damn those two Nicos - Kubica is 9th by just an inch... shouldn't have risked with the tyres. Alonso was so happy to get the pole that his overconfide
43 Aesma : Of course there is, it's called engine maps, mainly. Especially this year we often hear the engineers telling the pilots to put this or that setting.
44 Post contains images EZEIZA : Well, I'm obviously late in the thread (it's been a hell of a week!), but I see that some are stil claiming the Ferrari assitance .. right. Check out
45 sudden : Sorry, my bad. True, but all the teams are running more or less the same mapping as during quali they need all the juice they can get. Ferrari looks
46 MIAspotter : WOW WOW WOW!!! what a start!!! Button passed Alonso and Hamilton is OUT!!!! MIAspotter.
47 andz : Well that's the end of Hamilton.
48 Springbok747 : Wohoooo! Lewis is out on lap 1..great start by Button though!
49 Post contains images MIAspotter : Yup, he did not looked too happy walking into his motorhome. MIAspotter
50 MIAspotter : Now Vettel has engine troubles. MIAspotter.
51 stealthz : Vettel..."My engine has gone on me, I have engine problem" Translation..."All clear, I have let Mark thru now we can get on with the race" Or am I bei
52 MIAspotter : WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Great stop for Alonso managed to squeeze past Button, nerve wrecking stuff! MIAspotter
53 bill142 : Yes. It's looking like Vettel is going to jump Webber.
54 Post contains images MIAspotter : A L O N S O WINS The tifosi are going mental!! congrats! MIAspotter
55 Post contains images GrahamHill : Yes you are But for a moment, I thought the same. And obviously, he really had a problem with his engine for a couple of minutes.
56 Post contains images sudden : Awsome drive/work by Alonso/Ferrari. They sure deserved this win. Vettel fan or not, the way he jumped Webber with that pitstop was actually amusing.
57 Post contains images EZEIZA : I think everyone did ... and I'm still not 100% sure something else went on and eventually Vettel decided to do his own thing. Anyway, what a race by
58 GrahamHill : Hopefully not. Apparently the Renault engineers told Vettel to switch a couple of buttons on the steering wheel, and it solved the problem. Electroni
59 Post contains images EZEIZA : I agree, we'll never know. it's also interesting how he managed to go through the entire race without having to pit (ok, he did in the last lap, but
60 waterpolodan : Yes, but as pointed out the engine maps typically don't change much in reliability terms, they just affect the fuel consumption rate. Sure, you can m
61 Post contains images codeshare : The start was just fantastic by Button, too bad for Hamilton, a little his fault he tried to squeeze in but it ruined the race for him. Best start als
62 Post contains images swissy : Should he get a 5 grid penalty for the next race.... because of his avoidable incident??? sorry could not resist Good race, loved the pace of Alonso
63 Aesma : After Vettel's problem, I was wondering if there was a radio com I missed : YOUR ENGINE WILL HAVE A HICCUP DO YOU UNDERSTAND ? :D I guess we'll know b
64 sudden : Really!? Thought he was under contract with Pirelli now. Maybe he's still has the option to race.
65 Springbok747 : Great to see Ferrari finally win, especially at their home race! Wooooooooooo! As far as Vettel goes..I think that nonsense about his engine was a vei
66 EZEIZA : I agree, but it's also interesting that the race was exciting but without that much happening really. You had Button/Alonso/Massa more or less having
67 CXB77L : Unsportsmanlike behaviour? OK, so he cut the chicane three times, and I admit that I'm a bit surprised that he wasn't penalised, but it is a stretch
68 bill142 : The weekend hasn't turned out all bad for Lewis Hamilton. It turns out he beat the Facebook car a 2-1 at Schiphol this morning.
69 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : I was mentionning in the beginning of the thread that Lotus could get rid of Cosworth in order to place a deal with Renault. Well, the first step has
70 Post contains images swissy : So they say... he is starting @ the Singapore GP , could be a smart move by Peter since Pirelli is the tire supplier for 2011... maybe that will give
71 Post contains images scbriml : Probably not, since he was already punished by his race ending on the spot. If he'd done a Vettel and taken Massa out completely but been able to con
72 stealthz : And changed his line to prevent overtaking at least twice, wonder how many times he did it off camera?
73 Post contains images GrahamHill : That's why I said "if they build a decent chassis"! Engines do not do everything of course (otherwise the Renaults would compete with the Red Bulls),
74 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Long Live the Pope!!! (Schumi)
75 Post contains links and images sudden : I found it fun to see him push that Williams to the freakin edge, slipping and sliding it making sure he kept Webber behind him! I tihnk he should be
76 Post contains images swissy : No argue there however I guess the R engines are at a premium $$$, Williams is not doing tooooo bad with Cosworth I know it is all about the "IFs'...
77 BlueElephant : I would have but I didn't know about it. I'm still confused as to what happened.
78 cpd : The chicane excursions along with this weaving left and right should have resulted in a penalty. The chicane excursions let him maintain an advantage
79 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The video clips.... with my modest tourist camera at work. The Italian Grand Prix in real life from my grandstands and ground level. Friday Practice h
80 Post contains images GrahamHill : I trust Gascoyne (a former Renault F1 member) to negociate a bargain Not at all, but unlike HMT, Virgin and Lotus, they have been in F1 since 35 year
81 bill142 : Basically Hamilton had to drive 2.7km faster than what the Vodafone network could download 28800 facebook profile pictures. Users were asked to 'pled
82 cpd : And I should correct my slip-up before, the Exos is not road-legal, it's simply a cheaper, easier to run F1 car for the track-day warriors. And it ha
83 Post contains links and images EZEIZA : Madame C, I stil envy you so much for being able to go to this particular GP a couple of questions; in the friday clip you were in front of the podium
84 Post contains images CXB77L : He is entitled to change his line to defend his position, so long as he does not weave about the track, and from what I saw, his moves were fair and
85 GrahamHill : I meant HRT (sorry, can't edit my post)... Since Proton owns Lotus Racing (80% I think), I'd say they are related. But the current Lotus F1 team has
86 Post contains images sudden : Admin, can we have a life time ban applied to this member!
87 Post contains images GrahamHill : You already tried several times and you did not succeed. Face the truth: you will never ever get rid of me!
88 Post contains links and images BlueElephant : Heidfeld to replace PDLR for rest of season at Sauber http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86691 Kimi is going after a Renault seat for next ye
89 Post contains images sudden : I find alot of things what Boullier says in this article pretty odd actually. Not long ago Renault said themselves that they had contacted Raikkonen
90 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Oh no...... this is some really bad news! I am losing my Pedro...
91 stealthz : Only once.. he did it twice on the BBC feed shown on One HD here in Oz Combined with him using a somewhat shorter track than others they were far fro
92 codeshare : Press: Robert tell us about the race. RK: Well, we had a good start, the first stint was quite good, we had a good pit stop. Overall a good weekend.
93 Post contains images sudden : And questions from the floor would be totally out of the question as both drivers would have left after kimi's answer.
94 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Seeing F1 on TV and being out there in real life are two completely different things! TV is passive, you watch the race, you don't live it. You don' g
95 Post contains images EZEIZA : I could not agree more. In fact, I used to like F1 and watch it ocasionally, but since I was able to go to the first ARG GP in 1994 ( or 93?) I fell
96 Post contains links GrahamHill : Grosjean will do some tests for Pirelli at Monza next week: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86719 It looks like it is only a test, though.
98 Post contains images sudden : Maybe he's not enjoying the company he had at that specific moment.
99 bill142 : I would agree with that. One advantage that TV has over being at the race is that you're often left in the dark about what's happening during the rac
100 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I see you did not get the catch. Use your brain for a bit. You haven't seen the other pictures with a big smile on his face.[Edited 2010-09-17 23:32:
101 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Kangaroo TVs appeared in the 24 Hours of Le Mans a couple of years ago. It's very practical. This year, they were renting it for €55 (AU $76 - US $
102 stealthz : I think the portability of the device appeals so they can wander around from garage to meetings etc and get an update! Likely a transient technology
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