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UK Teen Banned From US Over Obama E-mail  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Dunno if you guys have seen this yet.

Quote:
A British teenager who sent an email to the White House calling President Obama an obscenity was banned from America for life, The Sun reported Monday.

The FBI asked local cops to tell college student Luke Angel, 17, his drunken insult was "unacceptable."

Angel said he fired off a single email criticizing the U.S. government after seeing a TV program about the 9/11 attacks.

So what do you think? An overreaction perhaps? I personally think it's funny.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offb...fe-over-obscene-obama-email-091310

[Edited 2010-09-13 17:08:53]


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User currently offlineBlackprojects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Looks like a Knee Jerk reaction by Some one in the FBI who may have second thoughts or be overruled or the Teenager could end up never having the Chance to realise his mistake Apologize for it and eat Crow as he should due to being Banned for Life.

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Quoting Blackprojects (Reply 1):
Looks like a Knee Jerk reaction by Some one in the FBI who may have second thoughts or be overruled or the Teenager could end up never having the Chance to realise his mistake Apologize for it and eat Crow as he should due to being Banned for Life.

Doubt they made this decision hastily but probably a good idea to keep him out. I would be willing to bet his words probably warranted it.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

The story might be hilarious if it were a joke or in a movie... If the article is true (link please), the fact that it really happened actually bothers me quite a bit.

It's one thing to get a harsh reaction back from the FBI, that I could perhaps understand... but with the consequences of being banned from the U.S.? For how long?

That seems very hypocritcal to the whole concept of freedom of speech. What was that phrase, "For a country that talks so much about freedom, the people there sure seem scared of those who actually exhibit it."

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5414 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

A knee jerk reaction from the 'tolerant' Obama administration.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...or_life_for_offensive_email_t.html

So he called Obama a prick. So what? I find it offensive that anyone would insult our president, but to ban him for this?

I'd be interested to see what the email says.



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6723 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
An overreaction perhaps?

Probably, but threatening POTUS isn't going to make you many friends in certain quarters.

Teenagers and alcohol. He can't even remember what he wrote in the email. But he now has his moron's 1/4 hour of fame/infamy.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5414 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 5):
Probably, but threatening POTUS isn't going to make you many friends in certain quarters.

Unless we see the email, we'll never know if he made a threat.

Quoting oly720man (Reply 5):

Teenagers and alcohol.

By the way, what's the drinking age in the UK?



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User currently offlinemwhcvt From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

OTT for certain, I mean who out there can honestly say that they have not done something dumb when drunk, I know that I can't. This ranks in by view people be dumb with there Facebook status and get in S%$T for it.

I think the Mr Obama is an overrated useless individual that has done little since his election, what a useless W£%^&ER.

Sits and waits for message banning me from the USofA   



Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6):
By the way, what's the drinking age in the UK?

18 to purchase alcohol. Unsure whether there are age limits on consumption......


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

I read the UK version of the story earlier....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-Brit-banned-from-US-for-life.html

What an idiot, lol......



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 8):
18 to purchase alcohol. Unsure whether there are age limits on consumption......

At the moment.

You have to look "at least" 21 now to purchase alcohol - anyone looking younger will be asked for ID.

http://www.challenge21.co.uk/pos.html


Be aware that plans are in the process of being drawn up to raise the UK legal drinking age to "21".



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Seems fair to me, at least with a e-mail there is proof of what was said. The Brits have banned Michael Savage for something he said on his radio program. However, they refuse to say what it was he said, that caused his banning?.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13587 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3372 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 3):
That seems very hypocritcal to the whole concept of freedom of speech.

I'd agree with you if he'd made his comments on Twitter, on a public website or forum, etc.

But he didn't.

He sent his commentary DIRECTLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE. And that's where he crossed the line.

So for example, you can say you think I'm a jerk if you like, and you can even post it on an internet forum like this one - but when you mail a letter to my home saying I'm a jerk, you're no longer exercising Freedom of Speech.

And as a sovereign nation, the U.S. does have the right to bar individuals from setting foot on its soil.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25330 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 days ago) and read 3290 times:

Travel and entering a foreign country is a privilege, not a right.

The US, and every other nation has a right to deem anyone they wish inadmissible. Simple as that.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 days ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Quoting Airport (Reply 3):
That seems very hypocritcal to the whole concept of freedom of speech.

I'd agree with you if he'd made his comments on Twitter, on a public website or forum, etc.

But he didn't.

He sent his commentary DIRECTLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE. And that's where he crossed the line.

So for example, you can say you think I'm a jerk if you like, and you can even post it on an internet forum like this one - but when you mail a letter to my home saying I'm a jerk, you're no longer exercising Freedom of Speech.

And as a sovereign nation, the U.S. does have the right to bar individuals from setting foot on its soil.

Right on the mark. Let him call his Prime Minister names, I suggest that he not write directly to 10 Downing Street.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5271 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 days ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
A knee jerk reaction from the 'tolerant' Obama administration.

Yeah that's it. So tell me, what exactly does any of this have to do with tolerance?  
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6):
Unless we see the email, we'll never know if he made a threat.

Do you honestly believe that they would have taken the extreme measure of banning him for life from this country if all he had done was called the President a "prick". Let's get real here. More likely than not, the email wasn't as innocent as the sender is making it out to be.

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 7):
mean who out there can honestly say that they have not done something dumb when drunk, I know that I can't.

Drunkeness should never be an excuse for idiotic behavior. He made the choice to get drunk, and now he's paying the consequences.

[Edited 2010-09-13 19:39:01]


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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 days ago) and read 3261 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Doubt they made this decision hastily but probably a good idea to keep him out. I would be willing to bet his words probably warranted it.


Then a fair share of Americans should be expelled as well...

Quoting OA412 (Reply 16):
Drunkenness should never be an excuse for idiotic behavior. He made the choice to get drunk, and now he's paying the consequences.


Me thinks the white house has larger fish to fry than spending their time with a drunken 17 year old...how thin skinned...C'mon Washington, get with the program!


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
A knee jerk reaction from the 'tolerant' Obama administration.

I doubt the administration was consulted, actually.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
So he called Obama a prick. So what? I find it offensive that anyone would insult our president, but to ban him for this?

   There are those on this board who have come pretty close to that, and I know he's being called much worse by others. As long as he didn't make a threat in the email, banning him outright is a huge overreaction. Give him a harsh warning and leave it at that.

-Mir



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5271 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 18):
There are those on this board who have come pretty close to that, and I know he's being called much worse by others. As long as he didn't make a threat in the email, banning him outright is a huge overreaction. Give him a harsh warning and leave it at that.

Well I actually do agree with your points if all he did was call him a prick. If there were threats then who knows. What needs to be kept in mind here is that this is the "Sun" reporting so anything they say must be taken with a grain of salt. Who knows what the kid actually wrote vs what they are reporting.

Quoting Mir (Reply 18):
I doubt the administration was consulted, actually.

Agreed.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10009 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3162 times:
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Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 10):

You have to look "at least" 21 now to purchase alcohol - anyone looking younger will be asked for ID.

Is that a big deal? Just curious. You're still allowed to purchase alcohol, just with valid ID.

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 7):
OTT for certain, I mean who out there can honestly say that they have not done something dumb when drunk, I know that I can't.

See here:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
Drunkeness should never be an excuse for idiotic behavior. He made the choice to get drunk, and now he's paying the consequences.

  

WIthout commenting on this particular reaction - you are just as responsible for stuff you do while drunk as while sober. There's no "get out of jail free" card for being drunk.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 18):
Who knows what the kid actually wrote vs what they are reporting.

  

I'd imagine he wouldn't be too keen to admit he threatened Obama, either.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19681 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 3):


That seems very hypocritcal to the whole concept of freedom of speech. What was that phrase, "For a country that talks so much about freedom, the people there sure seem scared of those who actually exhibit it."

Well, given that he's not a U.S. citizen and he's not on U.S. soil or under U.S. jurisdiction, I would say that he has absolutely no Constitutional rights.

Overreaction? I think so. Well within our rights? Yes. Don't send foreign governments E-mails calling the head of state an obscenity.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

again, we don't know what the email entailed. Even though he's a 17 year old kid (17 right?) and more than likely not a direct threat, you still just don't do this sort of thing. It's one thing writing something on twitter or even writing something on airliners.net, but sending it directly to the White House is pretty direct to me IMO. Freedom of Speech is one thing, direct threats to ANYBODY is not Freedom of Speech in my opinion. Although not a fan of Bush, I'd not change my opinion if it were directed to him either. An overreaction? Very possibly, but I don't have a problem with him being banned. It's easy to say this wont affect him in the least, or I'm sure some would say "who cares, why would he want to come to America anyway?" but one never knows how ones life will end up down the road. His employment situation, his future wife, his potential children and any of those situations who may or may not have a relationship with the US.

Anybody know if the average immigration in say, France, or Spain or Japan would be aware of this or would this 'record' follow him wherever he chooses to travel? or even in personal life?


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5414 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
I doubt the administration was consulted, actually.

Whether the administration was consulted or not, DHS belongs to the administration and decisions made there can be laid at the feet of an administration appointee.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
Overreaction? I think so. Well within our rights?

Exactly. Absent a threat to The President, this is an over-reaction, but it is well within the rights of the administration/government.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
Yeah that's it. So tell me, what exactly does any of this have to do with tolerance?

This president, and by extension, his administration have proven rather intolerant of those that would challenge them. And like it or not, 17 or not, foreign national or not, this email could be construed as a challenge.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25330 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 21):
Anybody know if the average immigration in say, France, or Spain or Japan would be aware of this or would this 'record' follow him wherever he chooses to travel? or even in personal life?

Yes data on inadmissible person is often shared between countries, and nations like Canada which have linked databases with the US can use such information as part their own determination.

Its quite common for folks that have run afoul in other nations be subject additional scrutiny or even denial of entry to the US, so suspect same can happen in reverse.



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
So what do you think? An overreaction perhaps?

As others have stated already before the DHS can decide what they think is right and this guy should clearly not have sent this email.

Anyway, one country less to visit for this guy but 202 other countries left, and besides what's really so special in the USA that can't be found anywhere else in the world?   



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25 PanHAM : It is a difference if citizens of a country insult their leaders or foreign nationals. In this particular case, the US have acted rightfully in banni
26 Quokka : I don't understand. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the boy as I don't know what he actually wrote. I also accept that as a non-resident alien
27 Aeri28 : Threats are not Freedom of Speech. Why is this a difficult concept to understand? Criticism is another story. You don't think Obama gets criticism sen
28 MadameConcorde : A "threat"? by email? from a drunk 17 year old? from across the Atlantic Ocean? It is more like total paranoia to me to see this as a threat and ban
29 Aeri28 : I think it's hilarious that people actually believe Obama read this email and called in security. Equally funny is the assumption that he was banned f
30 MadameConcorde : It used to be that the Grimaldi's names could not be offended in public. Any names allowed to even be shouted in public but not the Grimaldi's. This
31 CrimsonNL : This guy has some weird priorities, whichever drunk person comes up with the idea to write a letter to the White house! I think banning is extreme tho
32 Post contains images BMIFlyer : It's designed to stop those under 18 purchasing alcohol. We have a lot of people in this country who look young for their age, myself included
33 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Should we all send them an e-mail and get ourselves banned? Tempting idea, but maybe it's wiser not do it just yet.
34 Post contains links oly720man : In vino veritas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas He saw a tv program about 9/11, was affected, and once smashed out of his brains he acte
35 offloaded : We've all been teenagers, and in many ways I'm thankful that things like email and Facebook didn't exist back then. I'd hate to think I'd post even a
36 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I hope the next president/government will have him un-banned. Otherwise it will be bad news for the U.S. of A. a proof that they have tunred into a M
37 PanHAM : Exactöy. They could not and should not care less about a 17 year old punk who drinks too much and the next administration could not care less either
38 offloaded : But as a sovereign nation, the US is entitled to deny entry to whom-so-ever they wish. Maybe a lifetime ban was a little harsh, and maybe he could ge
39 DocLightning : My guess is that the Obama administration knew nothing about any of this.
40 MadameConcorde : I would be really surprised if that was the case. I very much doubt that the (equivalent) MInister of Foreign Affairs (or State Department) or such h
41 Post contains images LAXintl : I'm sure every day hundreds if not more people are deemed inadmissible to the United States. Every nation does it. Over the years I have seen dozens
42 offloaded : It isn't my concern at all. It might be his though. Insulting the US president has never been a crime, threatening him is. I will say again that I do
43 IH8BY : I think the age from which you can legally drink in private is 5 (yes, 5!). Out of the home, you can drink alcohol with a meal from 16 if you're with
44 RussianJet : Not an overreaction at all. If this fool thinks that it is funny to verbally abuse people in other parts of the world then let him learn the consequen
45 Post contains images Sulley : Hmm, one less British tourist in Orlando?
46 RobertNL070 : Let's be grateful that the world does not entirely revolve around meetings in New York. At the rate the US economy seems to be going downhill, the co
47 PanHAM : I never said that insulting the POTUS is a crime, so why do you quote me out of context? .
48 Post contains images exFATboy : Well, we have the legal right to do so, but - unless there's an actual threat in the e-mail we don't know about yet - it really does make our governm
49 DocLightning : Fine. I'll amend it. Don't send foreign governments E-mails insulting the head of state.
50 offloaded : I specificially did not. Your quote that I refered to was a quote and as was specifically not revelent to the specifc item that you mentioned vis a v
51 Post contains images OA412 : That's because you're looking at this from a completely partisan viewpoint. The previous administration told this countries citizens that you are eit
52 Post contains images fr8mech : You're right, I am partisan. But, to your point, this president asked people to report friends and neighbors who disagreed with healthcare reform. Th
53 Mir : I think we can all agree on that, but does the punishment really fit the crime here? -Mir
54 Quokka : A lot of emphasis has been placed on the age and drunkenness of the sender of the email. But how would the people who first read it have known how old
55 Giancavia : Hmm I'm pretty sure plenty of americans have said worse about obama lol. I dont like drunks so It is kinda funny he has been banned on the other hand
56 Giancavia : lol are you serious?
57 Post contains images ediCHC : While a life ban to me seems a bit excessive, it is the right of the US immigration authorities have the right to determine if any foreign national i
58 Post contains links oly720man : Communicable diseases including being HIV+ http://able2know.org/topic/78915-1 Criminal record in another country, perhaps The wrong country - "axis o
59 Quokka : Yes, men arriving with long hair would be required to have a haircut. This was back in the 1970s when long hair was associated with hippies and other
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