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Georgia MegaChurch Leader Caught Being Gay  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100923/...N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2dhbWVnYWNodXJjaA--

Leader of a Super-Sized megachurch in Atlanta, Georgia is has been exposed for engaging in sex with young men.

Bishop Eddie Long finds a wide audience for messages such as marriage is "between one man and one woman." Those words hung heavy Wednesday over accusations that the TV preacher, a married father of four, used jewelry, cars and cash to lure three young men into sexual relationships.

Lawsuits filed Tuesday and Wednesday say the young men were 17 or 18 years old at the time, enrolled in New Birth Missionary Baptist Church's ministry for teen boys.



Not sure what the legal age is in Georgia as 17 is legal in many states and doesn't look like any laws were broken. If anything, this exposes him as a hypocrite. This is a man that is married and has 4 children and condemns homosexuality and adultery.

My question is, can the parishioners get their money back?
Will they choke the Bishop?


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8758 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

It seems like most people who espouse homophobic beliefs are simply tormented gay people. It's sad... mostly for them. Why don't they cheer up and quit with the homophobic lies.

User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

This is almost getting old! What leader of a large, non-denominational church isn't gay (or at least have some sort of sexually deviant interest) at this point?


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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

As JC was fond of saying: "Let him that is without sin, cast the first stone."

It often seems that the reason people want to become leaders of religious and other organisations is that they want to control other people's lives, rather than live their own.


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3157 times:
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I can't resist taking this quote out of context:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/09/22...Bishop.long.sex.lawsuit/index.html
Headline: Accused Pastor Crusaded Against Homosexuals

"When I say bend over, even on Sunday, they bend over," he said, referring to the boys he paddled. "Why? Because they respect me.


Of course he's referring to disciplining people's children on behalf of the parents.   



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User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

"Bishop" (self-appointed) Eddie Long has one of those churches that owns a G-2 (at PDK, nice airplane) all of his kids drive Range Rovers and Jaguars (from the dealership up the street from me) plus the odd Mercedes, and they have a very tight knit community in SE metro ATL area.

I wondered with the first guy, is it someone looking for a piece of the action.....with this third lawsuit I now wonder how many more are coming.

I haven't heard about Long being anti-homosexual in his preaching, but there's enough going on with his church of 20k plus people that validates my feelings towards much of organized religion where he is collecting money from a group of people, many of whom are not well off, and spending it on jets and luxury homes/automobiles, and extensive travel.

This is not even funny anymore.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 5):
"Bishop" (self-appointed) Eddie Long has one of those churches that owns a G-2 (at PDK, nice airplane) all of his kids drive Range Rovers and Jaguars (from the dealership up the street from me) plus the odd Mercedes, and they have a very tight knit community in SE metro ATL area.

I wondered with the first guy, is it someone looking for a piece of the action.....with this third lawsuit I now wonder how many more are coming.

I haven't heard about Long being anti-homosexual in his preaching, but there's enough going on with his church of 20k plus people that validates my feelings towards much of organized religion where he is collecting money from a group of people, many of whom are not well off, and spending it on jets and luxury homes/automobiles, and extensive travel.

This is not even funny anymore.

Holy $h!t!
He doesn't even have humility in his success as a messenger of God?
That is usually how attention seeking celebrities live.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3715 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

He's been accused, not caught. These boys will get a nice payoff. That has run through my mind a couple of times since I grew up doing 8 years as an altar boy. I could easily make an accusation against a now dead priest, who would ever know?

User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
That is usually how attention seeking celebrities live.
Quoting dl021 (Reply 5):
"Bishop" (self-appointed)

When you give yourself a title like that, I'd say you're quite right, Superfly. I think he is an attention-seeking wanna-be celebrity.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Georgia MegaChurch Leader Caught Being Gay

Um, he wasn't "caught being gay," he had men allege that he had sex with them when they were underage. That's a considerably different situation than if they'd been old enough to give consent.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6338 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 5):
Bishop" (self-appointed) Eddie Long has one of those churches that owns a G-2 (at PDK, nice airplane) all of his kids drive Range Rovers and Jaguars (from the dealership up the street from me) plus the odd Mercedes, and they have a very tight knit community in SE metro ATL area.

That sounds like it came from an unpublished verse of a Ray Stevens song.   

Damned religious people.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8974 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting Quokka (Reply 3):
It often seems that the reason people want to become leaders of religious and other organisations is that they want to control other people's lives, rather than live their own.

I think it's more about the prestige and attention they get from the audience than anything else. Sub-consciously anyways, I don't think they really do it on purpose (unless it's someone who's in it for the money like this guy appears to be).



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

I cannot stand Eddie Long but in this instance I think he is being set up for a shakedown. I am just not buying the kids' story.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Will they choke the Bishop?

        

I hadn't heard that expression in a long time, Fly! Well played!

Quoting dl021 (Reply 5):
I haven't heard about Long being anti-homosexual in his preaching, but there's enough going on with his church of 20k plus people that validates my feelings towards much of organized religion where he is collecting money from a group of people, many of whom are not well off, and spending it on jets and luxury homes/automobiles, and extensive travel.

You forgot to mention him (allegedly) spending money to lure teenage boys into having sex with him..



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

And the thing is that over and over and over people give their money, many of them poor, to these folks who promise salvation in return for their money.

Someone really needs to take the tax-exempt status of churches to the Supreme Court. It's not constitutional. Not even close.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
I hadn't heard that expression in a long time, Fly! Well played!




Took 13 replys for someone to catch that!  
His name 'Bishop Long' also has a double meaning.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 11):
I think it's more about the prestige and attention they get from the audience than anything else. Sub-consciously anyways, I don't think they really do it on purpose (unless it's someone who's in it for the money like this guy appears to be).




My guess is that he is not a good singer, musician, actor or athlete. Being a politician would mean his personal life would be under more scrutiny so his only crack at show-business is to be a megachurch star.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):
I could easily make an accusation against a now dead priest, who would ever know?



.....and there be a line of lawyers and reporters from LA to New York willing to take up your case.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Someone really needs to take the tax-exempt status of churches to the Supreme Court. It's not constitutional. Not even close.



  
Well said!



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Took 13 replys for someone to catch that!

You can count on me, Fly!  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
His name 'Bishop Long' also has a double meaning.

Vell, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar!  

In this case, though...



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9507 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

personally, i always love it when my pastor text messages me muscle shirt pictures of himself. yum!

http://sandrarose.com/2010/09/bishop...orney-addresses-muscle-shirt-pics/



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User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Just like the old TV Evangelists that kept getting caught back in the 70's and 80's but at least they were only having affairs and not doing children.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):


Lets not group all Church's and religious pastors, priests, rabbis, etc in with these people. There are very many small Church's out there that do NOT act this way but I see it all the time in these forums that when one incident like this happens suddenly ALL religions and their leaders are somehow BAD and should be banned or have something done to them. This is just not right.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Someone really needs to take the tax-exempt status of churches to the Supreme Court. It's not constitutional. Not even close.

Churches that abuse their tax exempt status should have it taken away. But let's not punish all for the wrong doings of a few, okay?

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Not sure what the legal age is in Georgia as 17 is legal in many states and doesn't look like any laws were broken. If anything, this exposes him as a hypocrite.

In many states in the South the age of consent is 16. I believe it's 16 in Georgia.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6674 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
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Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 18):
here are very many small Church's out there that do NOT act this way but I see it all the time in these forums that when one incident like this happens suddenly ALL religions and their leaders are somehow BAD and should be banned or have something done to them. This is just not right.

Oh please.. these people are the first to cast a wide net with all their "all gays are evil" routine. They want to be seen as individuals?



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 20):
Oh please.. these people are the first to cast a wide net with all their "all gays are evil" routine. They want to be seen as individuals?

Interesting that you're such an expert on this subject. Out of the thousands upon thousands of small churches out there (sub-1,000 people, or even sub-500 people, not a huge church like the one in this topic of 30,000+), you must have personally spoken with many of those pastors/priests to find out their feelings on the matter.

I know a gay pastor/priest and also several gay music directors at several methodist churches. These people must be anti-gay though, based on your assertion.

Now, leaving the gay topic alone, it only takes one bad one to spoil the bunch - and this event only reinforces that idea in people's minds. It is so easy to say "so many" when referring to bad events in a religious community, but by far, the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of those involved in the religious community have not done something like this.

Now, I guess I'd better say I am not defending his actions, before that somehow gets spun out of this post. Just look at my other reply a few replies up.

[Edited 2010-09-24 07:02:52]


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 20):
Oh please.. these people are the first to cast a wide net with all their "all gays are evil" routine. They want to be seen as individuals?

The church I attend has quite a few openly gay men and lesbian women.

And the state I live in is famous for having the first openly gay Episcopal bishop (choked or otherwise!).

And this state is that bastion of conservatism, New Hampshire USA!

So let's not toss around the "these people" labels, OK?

Some believers are anti-gay (probably most, unfortunately), but things can and will change, so please don't lump everyone in one bucket. Some of us are trying to be that change and don't deserve the label, just like GLBTs don't deserve most of the labels that have been attached to them.



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User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 20):
Oh please.. these people are the first to cast a wide net with all their "all gays are evil" routine. They want to be seen as individuals?


No, we are not, I have never said "all gays are evil" and for you to group all small religious establishments into this category is just plain wrong. This is a very narrow minded attitude and painted with a very broad brush.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6674 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2579 times:
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Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 21):
Out of the thousands upon thousands of small churches out there (sub-1,000 people, or even sub-500 people, not a huge church like the one in this topic of 30,000+), you must have personally spoken with many of those pastors/priests to find out their feelings on the matter.

No i haven't - but it seems like you have spoken each of them, to know that my feeling on the matter are incorrect.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
so please don't lump everyone in one bucket. Some of us are trying to be that change and don't deserve the label, just like GLBTs don't deserve most of the labels that have been attached to them.

That's all i was trying to say.



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25 ALTF4 : Nor have I, but common sense, after taking all factors into account, would seem to side with me.
26 Superfly : Who said "ban" churches in this thread? I find the whole fiasco rather amusing. No longer a conservative state. New Hampshire is a swing state.
27 fridgmus : Fully agree Doc! Why do churches have tax-exempt status? Are only their verified charitable operations tax-exempt? Or is their whole operation tax-ex
28 lowrider : Because of the first amendment. The simplified answer is that the only way to avoid putting one church at a disadvantage over another due government
29 MD-90 : Because the church before any state was in the US.
30 DocLightning : I'm not. I'm saying that no establishment of religion should be tax-exempt. If they can demonstrate that they are actually nonprofit, then they can b
31 DocLightning : You have it backwards. The idea that any yahoo can name himself a "Church" by putting a cross up on his building and then avoid taxes is fundamentall
32 lowrider : The power to tax is the power to destroy -Chief Justice John Marshall Congress should not have the power to destroy a church, no matter how loony you
33 Superfly : Tax them all! There are taxes on food & clothes and all other goods. Is the intent to destroy food & clothes? Chief Justice John Marshall had
34 DocLightning : I don't care if they advocate the castration of every redhead with a rusty hacksaw. If they turn a profit, they should pay taxes. If they don't, they
35 lowrider : Next your going to tell me that taxes benefit the business that produce these? Or maybe you could simply explain how taxes are not an economic disinc
36 Derico : That's the problem with Protestantism: people blindly follow a cult of personality instead of what the actual religious teachings. No other religion o
37 DocLightning : In fact, all charities and private clubs ARE required to file tax returns every year. Churches are not. Nonprofit private clubs and nonprofit chariti
38 Post contains links lowrider : Sorry, but the IRS does not agree with you. Churches do have to file various forms to maintain their tax exempt status. The IRS can even audit church
39 Post contains images Superfly : Don't put words in my mouth. Taxes don't kill all industries as you claim. Perhaps I can start my own church just like that one. It's a great way to
40 LTBEWR : Apparently at services today, this alleged sex offender Rev. Long has denied the charges. He should be investigated by government proscutitors, but in
41 acidradio : I wonder how different the world would be if much of religion didn't condemn or didn't care about homosexuality. Like it was not even an issue. That w
42 lowrider : And I will ask you to return the favor of not putting words in my mouth. I never claimed that taxes have killed industries, only that they have the p
43 Flighty : LTB, so far as I know, employees / sole proprietors (and church leaders) pay income tax just like any firm or nonprofit. Other things are (technicall
44 DocLightning : Look it up. They do not have to file a complete tax return like other nonprofit charitable organizations. In addition, there have been egregious viol
45 DocLightning : Hardly. Through human history, religions have been notoriously intolerant of any dissenting viewpoint, especially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. A
46 Superfly : You're probably correct. No words were put in to your mouth. You're the one that made reference that a tax could kill a church and I simply pointed o
47 Aviacsa737 : I wish these people would just learn to accept themselves for who they are and stop being hypocrites. I used to be the same way, untill i realized i w
48 Post contains links and images Superfly : My guess is that this is not a new phenomenon but something that has been going on for a long time.
49 Starbuk7 : By reading the posts here apparently no-one here knows how the Church's work. Yes, the churches do not get taxed, however, from all the money that the
50 Revelation : I'm with you here. Thus many of my Catholic friends are defending the undefendable when it comes to the priest sex scandals. Most will tell me it's n
51 Lowrider : That sounds like a problem of insufficient enforcement, which is entirely different from the insufficient regulation you charged earlier. You will be
52 Superfly : In theory, yes. Has it ever happened? No. They may have a point. Even though I'm sure it did happen, I think the media made the ordeal to be bigger t
53 DocLightning : I never said it was. I was talking about dogmatic religions. If you take non-dogmatic religions, like Quakerism, Unitarianism, Bhuddism, Taoism, Shin
54 Aviacsa737 : Im Catholic, and i am also quite Gay, all i can say is that being honest about my homosexuality is probably much less of a sin than being a hypocrite
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