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Student Secretly Taped Having Sex Kills Self  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

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NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. — A Rutgers University student whose sexual encounters were allegedly secretly taped by two other students and broadcast live on the Internet is believed to have committed suicide, according to authorities and media reports.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39419543/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Absolutely despicable act by the two morons who did the secret videotaping.


"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6604 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Absolutely despicable act by the two morons who did the secret videotaping.

Would it be despicable if the victim had just laughed it off instead of killing himself? Sure it was a petty tactless thing to do, but student residences and moral behaviour don't always go together.

I'm not up with the vagaries of US slang, but is a "dude" male, female or either?

Ravi wrote Sept. 19 on what is believed to his Twitter page, which has since been deleted: "Roommate asked for the room till midnight. I went into molly's room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay."



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15474 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 1):
I'm not up with the vagaries of US slang, but is a "dude" male, female or either?

In that context, almost certainly a male.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 1):

Well it is despicable and wrong regardless - and depending on age, carries varying degrees of penalties.

In some countries - doing this sort of thing leaves you on a register for the rest of your life and imposes restrictions on what you can do, where you can go. And if you break them, you can be back in trouble with the law again.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
sexual encounters were allegedly secretly taped by two other students and broadcast live on the Internet

Anyone else think that sounds a bit like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8h6a15GGIE

Different ending, of course. Because real life isn't like the movies. Such a shame that a life had to end.  

-Mir



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 1):
I saw him making out with a dude. Yay."

I'd say the writer of this was jealous.



Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Getting outed when you aren't ready is really stressful.

The poor friend had no idea it was going to come to this. He was an 18/19yo kid. This is just tragic, and it's a pity that this young man couldn't find a less self-destructive way to deal with coming to terms with his sexuality.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

People still don't kill themselves over being gay do they ? Nobody really cares. I think it was the publication of the act that did it.


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5251 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 7):
People still don't kill themselves over being gay do they ? Nobody really cares. I think it was the publication of the act that did it.

People very much still do.

Someone else will have to pull the numbers but I believe that being homosexual (or being suspected of such) is still on of the biggest reasons for suicide amongst teens. Many consider it a mortal sin and find it hard to reconcile an unyielding doctrine with the realities of nature.

Tugg



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6604 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 7):
Nobody really cares.

When you're a teenager anything that marks you out as different makes you a target.

The bullying of gay students has reached beyond tragic levels at Anoka High School, part of Minnesota's largest school district, where five students have recently committed suicide, and at least three are thought to have killed themselves because of sexual identity issues.

http://www.queersighted.co.uk/2010/0...to-gay-bullying-at-minnesota-scho/



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5429 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):

Absolutely despicable act by the two morons who did the secret videotaping.

Now, don't get me wrong: it's sick what those people did. They, at the very least, deserved to get their asses kicked for that. That being said (and I'm certainly going to catch hell for this):

Quoting oly720man (Reply 9):
The bullying of gay students has reached beyond tragic levels at Anoka High School, part of Minnesota's largest school district, where five students have recently committed suicide, and at least three are thought to have killed themselves because of sexual identity issues.

I find it extremely sad that not a single bit of blame is being put on people for taking their own life. The "bullies" didn't pull the trigger, tie the knot, or shove the pills down their throat.



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
Now, don't get me wrong: it's sick what those people did. They, at the very least, deserved to get their asses kicked for that. That being said (and I'm certainly going to catch hell for this):

Not from me. As centrist, most people I know who are lib hate torture capitol punishment, but after reading a story like this, I might turn my back if one of those kids got an eye gouge or a finger chopped off.

I might sound cruel, but I used to be a college freshman. It's tough enough coming into a whole new environment, then you gotta deal with assholes who think it's funny to tape you while having sex. Especially if they tape you doing it with a guy then posted on the internet, when no one else knows that you're gay and that's not the way you wanted them to find out. To me it's unforgivable.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5251 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
I find it extremely sad that not a single bit of blame is being put on people for taking their own life. The "bullies" didn't pull the trigger, tie the knot, or shove the pills down their throat.

When one is attacked and made to feel worthless, ashamed of themselves, and feel their life is valueless to the world, it becomes much easier to kill yourself. You feel alone and undefendable. Worthless.

The bullies are sometimes most certainly putting "bullets in the gun" or "handing the pills to the person" and making it possible even desirable to kill oneself. Sometimes not living sounds like an absolutely wonderful release from the drudgery of having to wake up tomorrow and experience more attacks. The utter alone-ness and isolation can be horrible.

I am not saying that many more people in the world do not live in worse situations but it is when it becomes your situation alone and not a shared experience with others that it becomes intolerable.

Tugg



I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
I find it extremely sad that not a single bit of blame is being put on people for taking their own life

Yes, you are probably going to get hell for that - but I'm not going to be too harsh.

You can't blame them for doing it - because in so many cases, they just find that the weight/pressures on them are so much that they can't handle it, or, more to the point - don't know how to handle it. In this case - you could well see how the poor kid, and he is just nothing more than a kid, would be pushed over the edge. The poor kid is the innocent victim in all of this.

You can see the effects of bullying these days much more than in the old days. Now, the bullying extends into the home as well - and does not stop. Also the power of online / phones allows the bullying to be spread far and wide, very quickly. Hence what the person above has described.

[Edited 2010-09-29 18:11:08]

User currently offlineiflykpdx From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Blaming the victims here is absolutely despicable; nearly as bad as those who made their lives hell in the first place. The real tragedy here is the complete depravity in the actions of those who bully and taunt, and the lack of action by anyone who sees these things going on and does nothing to stop them. Take it from me, growing up different (especially GLBT) in the world today is a scary thing, and being socially tortured is most definitely enough to send people over the edge and lead them to take their own lives. The bullies of the world deserve to be in the morgue, not their victims.


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5429 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 13):
The poor kid is the innocent victim in all of this.

Of course, he is a victim. But I believe that he, and other that take their own life, are not completely innocent (absent a psychiatric disorder, of course).

Quoting iflykpdx (Reply 14):
Blaming the victims here is absolutely despicable

The only thing I blame the victim for is jumping off the bridge. He could have done anything else (short of killing his roommate, obviously) and I would cheer him on.

Quoting iflykpdx (Reply 14):
The real tragedy here is the complete depravity in the actions of those who bully and taunt, and the lack of action by anyone who sees these things going on and does nothing to stop them.

I absolutely agree. As someone who was bullied as a kid, it was rather disturbing to see that not even the people I considered friends would do anything to stop it. It's the reason I don't talk to most of them anymore.

However:

Quoting iflykpdx (Reply 14):
in the world today is a scary thing, and being socially tortured is most definitely enough to send people over the edge and lead them to take their own lives.

I cannot agree with this. People have been killing themselves over being bullied since the beginning of recorded history. That technology has expanded should make the world a less scary place, because there's so many resources that didn't exist before to educate and help those who need it.

It's really nothing new.

On a side note, this really hit a nerve with me:

Quote:
Steven Goldstein, chairman of the gay rights group Garden State Equality, said in a statement Wednesday that his group considers Clementi's death a hate crime.

I wasn't aware that suicide was a crime in New Jersey. Unless he's suggesting that Tyler criminally hated himself?



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
Of course, he is a victim. But I believe that he, and other that take their own life, are not completely innocent (absent a psychiatric disorder, of course).

You still cannot put any blame on him. The poor kid, I'd guess probably considered he had no other way to get away from all the pressures he must have faced at the time. It would have seemed overwhelming. Hell, his parents would have found out, the whole college or whatever it was - his whole life was probably turned upside down, he probably was ashamed I guess, frightened as well.

Now I'm guessing - because I wouldn't have a clue about that, but you don't have to be too bright to know how vicious kids of today can be. I have to wonder if the kids who released the video didn't realise how serious what they did actually is. This day and age, educational institutions (along with government) need to educate kids on how serious doing that kind of thing really is - especially if the kids are not legally adults.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
I wasn't aware that suicide was a crime in New Jersey. Unless he's suggesting that Tyler criminally hated himself?

I think he's probably suggesting that the act of releasing the video is the crime.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5429 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 16):
You still cannot put any blame on him.

Until someone says that he was thrown off the bridge, and his Facebook was hacked to fake a "suicide status"...

Quoting cpd (Reply 16):

I think he's probably suggesting that the act of releasing the video is the crime.

No. He specifically said the death was a hate crime.

Quoting cpd (Reply 16):
The poor kid, I'd guess probably considered he had no other way to get away from all the pressures he must have faced at the time. It would have seemed overwhelming. Hell, his parents would have found out, the whole college or whatever it was - his whole life was probably turned upside down, he probably was ashamed I guess, frightened as well.

Yes, obviously he was extremely devastated. Like I said, the bastards that streamed the video are due for an ass kicking. I'd even volunteer to host the live stream.

That being said, assuming that his entire family and friends he had completely disowned him for it, there's 300 million other people in the US, and a sizeable chunk wouldn't give two shits about it. In this day of ever-increasing social networks and the availability of information the world has never seen before, it says something when someone doesn't even consider starting a new life if they had to.

And obviously, he had at least one person who probably cared about him: the other guy.

Quoting cpd (Reply 16):
but you don't have to be too bright to know how vicious kids of today can be.

No more vicious than they ever were.

Quoting cpd (Reply 16):
I have to wonder if the kids who released the video didn't realise how serious what they did actually is.

Trust me: they knew.

Quoting cpd (Reply 16):
This day and age, educational institutions (along with government) need to educate kids on how serious doing that kind of thing really is - especially if the kids are not legally adults.

Bull. Believe me, nobody (bully or victim) pays attention to what some sappy over-emotional video is going to say. We need better parents, plain and simple.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 17):
Believe me, nobody (bully or victim) pays attention to what some sappy over-emotional video is going to say. We need better parents, plain and simple.

Some of them don't realise, in some cases (and certain age groups) exactly what kinds of laws they are breaking. That was my point.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5429 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 18):
Some of them don't realise, in some cases (and certain age groups) exactly what kinds of laws they are breaking. That was my point.

Oh, you were referring to the actual recording/streaming of the video?

Then that, I can absolutely support.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12879 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

I live in northern New Jersey, not far from where the victim lived (Ridgewood a well off community), and died (apparently jumped off the George Washington Bridge, his car was found nearby). here is a link to an article from the local daily newspaper about this story with many details.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/0930...llegedly_taped_him_having_sex.html

The victim, Tyler Clementi, was a gifted musician (classical music, violn). His family is devastated. His body has yet to be found so no closure there. Apparently his roommate, Dharun Ravi, who had a lot of computer skill but no morals is the primary suspect, along with some apparent help from a woman, Molly W. Wei.

The two fools who did this will be thrown out of Rutgers and if convicted can get up to 5 years in jail, the rest of their lives ruined too as will have a felony conviction, their names on a sex offenders list with it's lifelong penalties. Their families are badly shamed and probably pissed that they did such a terrible criminal act. Would the two who did this obscene video recording like themselves being the taped during sex and put out on the web? I doubt it. There is also the other man in the victims sexual encounter that was recorded, his name yet to be known, but may be facing his own serious issues, I hope he is getting proper counseling

The best hope from this terrible situation is to change laws, on the state and federal level, that allows such material to be placed on the Internet, to apply devastating fines to ruin such businesses and put their operators in jail that accept such videos. I also hope that Rutgers and all other colleged in the coutnry use this situation to make it clear that such behavior is totally wrong and unacceptable. No one should ever be taped in violation of their privacy.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 7):
People still don't kill themselves over being gay do they ?

No, and they're even allowed to get married in all 50 states now too!



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):

Oh, you were referring to the actual recording/streaming of the video?

Yes, that's right. Just by them filming the video, especially if it is a minor involved, that leaves the kids filming the video in extremely big trouble for the rest of their lives, and they often don't understand the consequences of those actions. They think it's okay because they are all minors - when in fact it's absolutely not okay and it's highly illegal.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3529 times:
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Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 7):
People still don't kill themselves over being gay do they ? Nobody really cares. I think it was the publication of the act that did it.

Dont be silly - Thats just so passe    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39438381/ns/us_news/

"On Tuesday, a 13-year-old California boy died nine days after classmates found him hanging from a tree. Authorities say other teens had taunted the boy, Seth Walsh of Tehachapi, for being gay."



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
The two fools who did this will be thrown out of Rutgers and if convicted can get up to 5 years in jail, the rest of their lives ruined too as will have a felony conviction, their names on a sex offenders list with it's lifelong penalties. Their families are badly shamed and probably pissed that they did such a terrible criminal act. Would the two who did this obscene video recording like themselves being the taped during sex and put out on the web? I doubt it. There is also the other man in the victims sexual encounter that was recorded, his name yet to be known, but may be facing his own serious issues, I hope he is getting proper counseling

   That's what should happen to them. I say they deserve the full 5 years. There's also talk that it could be a hate crime on their part and since the video stream was sent across state lines, it could be prosecuted as a federal crime. They're screwed for life, and for a what? A prank they thought was harmless.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 17):
No. He specifically said the death was a hate crime.

The releasing of the video and the actions by the two people releasing said video is a hate crime.

Look, I know that the guy killed himself, but some people just get so traumatized by a situation sometimes that they act on a whim and kill themselves. We better be thankful that his whim wasn't to get an automatic rifle and gun down everyone in his dorm.



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25 Post contains links and images SepulTALLICA : http://gawker.com/5651659/is-this-we...tyler-clementis-last-call-for-help Judging by these posts of his, he doesn't seem to be too phased about the wh
26 tugger : That is truly odd, he most certainly does not seem to be psychologically impacted by this, just annoyed and rightfully pissed off about what is going
27 Post contains images futurepilot16 : Well things can seem pretty toned down over the internet. JUST BECAUSE HE ISN'T TYPING IN ALL CAPS, doesn't mean he wasn't upset. And who knows what
28 KiwiRob : The way you have written this paragraph makes it sound like Ravi murdered him, he didn't, the guy suicided. I can't respect anyone who takes there ow
29 Flighty : This is a super sad story but I'm not sure how to deal with the "perpetrators." This was a horribly mean spirited thing (although, not sure I would ca
30 futurepilot16 : It's not a crime that he committed suicide but it sure as heck is a crime that they illegally video taped him without his permission and distributed
31 DocLightning : I've been goin gback and forth over this in my head. 1) What they did was tasteless, unethical, and very poor judgement. However, it was not murder a
32 Maverick623 : No they weren't. His roommate is 18. I'm not necessarily arguing that (although I have certain reservations with "hate" crimes), but the fact was tha
33 futurepilot16 : Well that's wrong. I know people are angry that he killed himself, but you just have to look at it as an unfortunate circumstance. Yes we should. IMH
34 IMissPiedmont : Exactly. The person who posted the video was certainly gay himself and the boy didn't kill himself because he was gay. He killed himself because that
35 OzGlobal : Yes, about 60% of male youth suicides in Western nations are still linked to this reason. When I used to live in Melbourne, RURAL Victoria (the state
36 LH459 : Given the facts which have emerged so far, I'm very curious how you've drawn this conclusion?
37 Flighty : Cool, didn't know that, hope they prosecute them. NJ probably has such a law to nab blackmailers or the like.
38 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I'm not so sure the roommate was mad cause he was gay. I got mad at my ex-roommate when he'd have females in our room, and although I'd never be stupi
39 cpd : Exactly right. That's the only way they will learn that this kind of thing is not okay. It's not just some harmless prank or teasing.
40 DocLightning : I don't get that at all. I get that he's happy that his roommate is getting laid and he's amused to find out that his roommate is gay. Teenagers are
41 Post contains links ScarletHarlot : It's been determined with high probability that Tyler Clementi was on a gay-oriented message board and posted about the incident and the tweets. I fe
42 LTBEWR : Apparently his body has been located in the Hudson River, north of the GWB and identified. At least this issue has been resolved. Those that did this
43 Post contains images Springbok747 : Why? All they did was tape the guy having sex (which is illegal), and the guy committed suicide. They didn't push him off that bridge. He chose to ju
44 iairallie : Yes it would be just as despicable. It is completely disgusting (and illegal) to tape someone when they are doing something private. In this case yes
45 Post contains images futurepilot16 : And thus being, they will get processed to the fullest extent of the law. Maybe you didn't understand my post, but I specifically said that they shou
46 Springbok747 : Ah ok. Sorry..did not read that before. I never said it wasn't a serious situation. Yes. His privacy was compromised by these two idiots taping him.
47 cpd : Don't you think that's very heartless and inappropriate? Maybe it was a tongue in cheek comment, or one of those "playing the devils advocate" types
48 johnboy : Wow. Tough crowd in here today.
49 futurepilot16 : Of course. You have no way of determining that he killed himself because he was ashamed of being gay That makes no sense. You have no idea what this
50 Flighty : Just a theory but he may have done it just to screw those 2 for life, and make the world hate them. If so, mission accomplished. Not to criticize it
51 GQfluffy : Hate crimes? Seriously? What about Libby Hoeler? Didn't she commit suicide after her tapes were released? No hate crime ever talked about there, yet b
52 iairallie : very very unlikely He mentioned in one of his forum posts that he felt like pouring pink paint all over his roomates stuff but that revenge wasn't hi
53 soon7x7 : A gay ..."anybody in New York/New Jersey?...hardly novel...I think the poor fellow had deeper issues...sadly it culminated in his premature death...Th
54 Post contains images Fly2HMO : The way I look at it, he killed himself. End of story. Whoop dee do. Had this not hit the headlines nothing would've come of it. Nobody would've known
55 babybus : That's true. We don't know the victim or the two other people involved who I believe were his friends. They, knowing him better than us, surely must
56 san747 : I lived in dorms for 2 years, and have visited many other campus dorms where friends lived, and I have NEVER heard of any such thing like this happen
57 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : But the difference here is you are not him. Great for you that you overcame the bulllying. Kudos. Not everyone is as fortunate as you. I guess we can
58 Springbok747 : Nobody told him to kill himself..Again..what about the kid he was with? How come he did not commit suicide or go crazy? How come he is coping better?
59 NIKV69 : Why are their names going to be on a ssex offenders list? It's BS, a hate crime is going to be tough to prove. It's possible though if they can prove
60 Post contains images san747 : Until we teach our children that differences between us are meaningless, this won't stop. Until we teach children that the differences in us are to b
61 Aaron747 : They wouldn't be going for this for people of this age group unless they had something to it - the prosecutors must have archived Twitter postings or
62 Maverick623 : Because it's such a far fetched idea that it doesn't warrant thinking about. Obviously. Have you ever heard of a completely happy person knowingly ta
63 iairallie : I think what we have here are two issues that may or may not have any ties. 1. the suicide 2. the reprehensible violation of privacy I think 2 should
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