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Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012  
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6826 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3841 times:

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/143318/Ob...on-2012-Democratic-Nomination.aspx

Gallup conducted a poll that if Hillary challenged Obama in 2012, 37% of democrats would vote for Hillary and 52% for Obama. An interesting poll indeed. Personally as a moderate I'd consider voting for Hillary in 2012 depending on how she would challenge the current administration in her campaign. I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat or would she consider an independent ticket.


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat

Outside of her resigning her Cabinent post (Secretary of State) and the risk of giving the presidency BACK to the GOP, what would be holding her back?

If this were to happen, it would not be the first time that someone challenged an incumbent president of the same party; Pat Buchanan challenged Bush 41 in the 1992 GOP primary and Sen. Ted Kennedy challenged Carter in the 1980 primaries (worth noting: Teddy didn't finally concede to Carter until mid-way through the DNC convention).



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Tough to say at this point. Problem is the DNC is having trouble with it's far left faction and they feel Hillary would be too moderate. With Rahm jumping ship tomorrow and the others joining the exodus you never know. Depending on the results this November this may become a reality.

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5595 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat or would she consider an independent ticket


She would have to challenge Obama for the candidacy in the primaries.

She could run as an Independent, but that will just seal the victory for the GOP in 2012.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
She would have to challenge Obama for the candidacy in the primaries.

I'd hope so. This time I don't think Hillary will let the nomination slip away from her.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
She would have to challenge Obama for the candidacy in the primaries.

She could run as an Independent, but that will just seal the victory for the GOP in 2012.

She won't run as an indie, If she feels she can't win the primary she won't attempt it but can you imagine this? Wow!


User currently onlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3283 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

I still think Hillary should have been the one who took the nomination...oh well. Once a Democrat, always a Democrat regardless of who is on the ticket.


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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 1):
Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat

Outside of her resigning her Cabinent post (Secretary of State) and the risk of giving the presidency BACK to the GOP, what would be holding her back?

I don't think it's a risk at all.She would be a very strong candidate for the Democrats.Knowing she's a moderate,it would put the extreme left wing at a distance,which would be accepted favorably in general, and have moderate GOP voter jump ship especially the women's vote.

Ms.Clinton has proven herself.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

How much difference is there between Obama and Hillary Clinton in terms of ideology?
I'll vote for any candidate that opposes Cap & Trade.

If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?

I read that rolling stone interview and he's pretty satisfied on the job he's done so far. I think he's in for a second term no problem. But I think he's in for a HUGE PROBLEM if Hillary decides to run.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 9):
I read that rolling stone interview and he's pretty satisfied on the job he's done so far. I think he's in for a second term no problem. But I think he's in for a HUGE PROBLEM if Hillary decides to run.

He's defeated her before. Why shouldn't he be able to defeat her again?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
How much difference is there between Obama and Hillary Clinton in terms of ideology?
I'll vote for any candidate that opposes Cap & Trade.

Pretty sure she supports it.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?

I can't see that happening he has to run.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
Pretty sure she supports it.



Probably but like her husband, she would abandon it if it's too controversial.
Obama on the other hand is surrounded by too many environmentalist, professors and not enough manufacturing business leaders that understand the negative impact that Cap & Trade would cause.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5595 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?

He has too big an ego not to run. he thinks he's doing a dandy job.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Why shouldn't he be able to defeat her again?

Because, now he has a track record.

Clinton would must certainly be a game changer for Obama. If she could beat him in primary, she could well be the next president. It will really depend on who goes against her in the GOP.

On another note, I do find it interesting that Gallup decided to do this poll at this time. Clearly they see some dissatisfaction with Obama. I'd like to see this poll repeated on Nov 3.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
He has too big an ego not to run. he thinks he's doing a dandy job.

Even if the House of Representatives goes Republican?

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
Clinton would must certainly be a game changer for Obama. If she could beat him in primary, she could well be the next president. It will really depend on who goes against her in the GOP.

Where is all of this new found love for Hillary coming from?
For 8 years as First Lady, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
Her 8 years as Senator, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
In early 2008, polls showed that 50% of the voters would not vote for her.
Now 2010, the right is wishing she was President over Obama.
I don't get it.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5595 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Even if the House of Representatives goes Republican?

Yup, he'll grandstand that he has done everything he could, but the big bad GOP stood in his way. His only saving grace will be if he moderates and actually moves to the middle like Clinton did. He may get a second term. but, I think he's too stubborn.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Where is all of this new found love for Hillary coming from?

I have no love for Hillary, but I have a new found respect for someone who can actually read the political winds and adjust as necessary. If Cinton takes the primary, she won't get my vote.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Now 2010, the right is wishing she was President over Obama.

Yup, because Obama is much worse than Clinton could be.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20186 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 7):
I don't think it's a risk at all.She would be a very strong candidate for the Democrats.

Not a risk? Running against her boss isn't a risk? Splitting the Democratic vote between two candidates vs a single GOP candidate isn't a risk?

You have a strange definition of risk.


User currently offlineAviacsa737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

I dont think the Democrats would be stupid enough to challenge the Incumbant. I dont think a party has withdrawn support from an incumbant or endorsed a challenger to their incumbant in a LONG LONG time if ever. Its political suicide, spliting the party.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

Obama may be unpopular and his numbers could get worse but nowhere near as bad as Dubya's numbers were in his final days at the White House (23%).
Obama has enough loyal supporters so his numbers would never dip much below 40%.
This poll still shows a majority of support for President Obama with Democrats.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
I think he's too stubborn.



I think he has really bad advisers.
He has too many academics and not enough captains of industry with real world experience.
If he has a major shake up of his staff and bring better people on, he could actually be successful in getting his campaign promises delivered and turn the economy around.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
I have a new found respect for someone who can actually read the political winds and adjust as necessary.



Then she'd be criticized for not having a backbone or character. They'd call her spineless.
These were names thrown at President Clinton when he shifted after the 1994 elections.


You know something, had Cheney & Co. not stolen the election of 2000, Obama would not be the President today.
Think about it.....



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Even if the House of Representatives goes Republican?

At this point the House is most Certainly going to go GOP. Senate is a non issue since the GOP prob only can pick up 6-7 seats but once Brown won they prevented the Dems from a free ride on votes. Obama's next big dance is the tax cuts. How he emerges from that will be a big factor in the rest of his political career.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Where is all of this new found love for Hillary coming from?
For 8 years as First Lady, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
Her 8 years as Senator, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
In early 2008, polls showed that 50% of the voters would not vote for her.
Now 2010, the right is wishing she was President over Obama.
I don't get it.

Mostly people didn't like her because of travelgate and some other useless crap but what is making her so popular now is Obama's epic failures.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
Not a risk? Running against her boss isn't a risk? Splitting the Democratic vote between two candidates vs a single GOP candidate isn't a risk?

Would never come to that. She won't run as a third party candidate. If she can't make the Primary close she isn't going to attempt it.

Quoting Aviacsa737 (Reply 17):
I dont think the Democrats would be stupid enough to challenge the Incumbant

They haven't been in this position much. Getting absloute power than blowing it to the point where you may lose it all? You may see the Dems doing some crazy stuff next year.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):

I think he has really bad advisers

Axelrod is killing him the guy is a far left campaign hack that never got out of that mode. Rahm Emanuel's behavior has let the cat out of the bag on that one. He knows it was a huge blunder to go far left.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
You know something, had Cheney & Co. not stolen the election of 2000, Obama would not be the President today.
Think about it.....

Funny I didn't know Cheney was on the Supreme Court   


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
what is making her so popular now is Obama's epic failures.



At least Hillary and Obama is better than the best GOP offering, Sarah Palin.  
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Rahm Emanuel's behavior has let the cat out of the bag on that one. He knows it was a huge blunder to go far left.



He's going to be the next mayor of Chicago and swim along with all the filth in that cesspool.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Funny I didn't know Cheney was on the Supreme Court



The fix was already in place and the Supreme Court finished off the final hit.
Glad you can admit that it was the Supreme Court that elected Bush and not the voters.



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User currently offlineAviacsa737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
They haven't been in this position much. Getting absloute power than blowing it to the point where you may lose it all? You may see the Dems doing some crazy stuff next year.

Actually im quite partial toObam, and think hes done an Excellent job on some things, and not so much on others. Health care for example did not go FAR enough. Americans have to be bumblimg morons if they think giving the keys back to the people who caused the economic collapse or allowed it to happen (the Republicans) is going to fix anything. IF anything it will make things 100 times worse.

There are more Democrats in the US now, Thankfully, and most of them stand by Obama. I dont think hes in danger of being challenged for re-election by another democrat. Especially with the extreme lunacy of the tea baggers spliting the republican party and scaring the bejezus out of moderate republicans.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
At least Hillary and Obama is better than the best GOP offering, Sarah Palin

LOL, yet she isn't anything but a FOX contibutor. She isn't running for president. It's another MSNBC smoke screen. Your going to have to probably deal with Chris Christie. Then your going to have a huge problem.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
He's going to be the next mayor of Chicago and swim along with all the filth in that cesspool.

Yea it really has become just that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
The fix was already in place and the Supreme Court finished off the final hit.
Glad you can admit that it was the Supreme Court that elected Bush and not the voters.

Actually I didn't but if you want to believe that go ahead but the votes in Florida were counted and the process played out. Not to mention you really wanted Gore in charge? I can't even and don't want to even imagine where we would be if that idiot won.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Your going to have to probably deal with Chris Christie. Then your going to have a huge problem.

Only if he tried to sit on me....

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Not to mention you really wanted Gore in charge?

Absolutely!
We wouldn't have wasted billion$ of dollar$ and thousands of lives in Iraq.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5595 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Obama may be unpopular and his numbers could get worse but nowhere near as bad as Dubya's numbers were in his final days at the White House (23%).

Really? I don't know. When his agenda comes to a screeching halt in January and he can't get anything done without moving towards the middle, I'm thinking his base will evaporate. Question is, where will they go and will he be able to garner enough support from moderates to fill the gap?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Glad you can admit that it was the Supreme Court that elected Bush and not the voters.

Keep tossing out that red herring.



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25 TOMMY767 : Cause he's had a mixed first term. That and also the media heavily brought down Hillary in 2008 (they were all for Obama anyway.)
26 Superfly : I wasn't too thrilled about either one and voted for John Edwards in the primary, even though he wasn't a strong candidate in 2008. Wasn't sure if th
27 TOMMY767 : Media ethics my friend. They perceived Hillary to be a stone cold b**** and Obama to be a "Cool Hip Guy." That's how he won. And John Edwards? How co
28 luckyone : That and she ran a very presumptuous campaign with a rather whopping "mispeak." She said it very well "we've all seen what can happen when we elect a
29 TOMMY767 : I didn't like her campaign much either. She came off as extremely smug. Obama also did to a certain degree, but again he played the "cool cat" card r
30 Superfly : Get your dates in order. That story broke out months after he quite his campaign. The California Democratic primary was very early in 2008. I lost al
31 TOMMY767 : I'm sorry but John Edwards running for president became SUPER irrelevant after 2004.
32 WarRI1 : [quote=NIKV69,reply=19]Mostly people didn't like her because of travelgate and some other useless crap but what is making her so popular now is Obama'
33 WarRI1 : I compliment you on your words, the same thought here. I think it is likely clutching at straws by the loyal opposition.
34 fr8mech : Let's be clear here: I think we beat Obama or Hillary in 2012, if this self-destructive path The Triumvirate has set us upon is continued. Hillary wi
35 WarRI1 : Let us be clear here, nobody, nobody has any idea what will happen in 2012. You might want to be the winner, Obama might want to be the winner. There
36 Superfly : Well aware of that but his negatives were not as high as Hillary Clinton's and given the uncertainty of Obama at that time was the deciding factor in
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