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CA Decriminalizes Marijuana Possession.  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19785 posts, RR: 59
Posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Gov. Schwartzenegger signed SB 1449 which takes immediate effect. As of today, possession of one ounce of marijuana in California is a mere infraction, the same as a parking or speeding ticket.

Quote:
"In this time of drastic budget cuts, prosecutors, defense attorneys, law enforcement and the courts cannot afford to expend limited resources prosecuting a crime that carries the same punishment as a traffic ticket," wrote Schwarzenegger, who opposes Proposition 19, the marijuana initiative.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAR61FN4GC.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz119lGK5tz

I am SO glad to see some sanity on this issue. It is considered insanity when someone repeats the same action over and over and expects a different outcome.

Throughout history, precisely zero government attempts to ban a recreational substance have successfully eliminated use of said substance and 100% of such bans have led to the formation of a black market, typically with violent undercurrents. Through history, examples of banned substances range from opium (once legally available in the US and UK) to chocolate.

I am of the opinion that the only way to end the drug wars is complete legalization of all recreational substances. I am well aware of the risks and drawbacks, but spending billions on a fruitless drug war and shedding oceans of blood in the process is far worse. I think that this bill is a big step in the right direction.

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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5518 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Fantastic news! I am not a pot smoker, but I fully support the legalization of marijuana.

Amsterdam seems to have gotten it right a long time ago...


User currently offlineAKviator From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

I see few problems with legalizing marijuana. Its affects are no worse than alcohol, and I believe there are little to no health consequences (correct me if i'm wrong Doc).

Should it be legalized, I can see it becoming a thriving industry creating jobs by the thousands and providing a little boost for the economy.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting AKviator (Reply 2):
I believe there are little to no health consequences

Smoking is still bad for you, no matter what's being smoked. So there are consequences to it. But cigarettes are legal, so....

-Mir



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Awesome news. Can't really take advantage of it... but still good news, nonetheless.

I wonder if we took a poll of anetters, how many of us have smoked weed? I'd be willing to bet it's over 75%.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

This is NOT legalization, but rather lowering the threshold of what is considered criminal for sound economic reasoning. Still, getting a ticket of this nature, to accept guilt and pay it, could be still used against you in certain forms of employment (law enforcement for example). At the least, it will mean the cops concentrating on more critical criminal activity.

User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3775 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Quoting AKviator (Reply 2):
Should it be legalized, I can see it becoming a thriving industry creating jobs by the thousands and providing a little boost for the economy.

Not to mention the extra revenues generated by taxation.
Taxes on Marijuana could be very heavy, and it would still be cheaper to provide than nowadays. That extra revenue could be used to setup and enforce strict quality control, legal smoking age limit, ad campaigns and education on the dangers of consuming it, etc... Just like tobacco.
And CA could do with a little more tax revenue these days, I believe.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
I wonder if we took a poll of anetters, how many of us have smoked weed? I'd be willing to bet it's over 75%.

I am sure a lot of us have tried it. It has been accepted on the West Coast for a long time. I have not smoked for a long time. I hope SB 1449 shows that we need to pass Prop 19 as well.



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User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

People are finally coming to their senses, which is great news!  
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
Can't really take advantage of it.

If it was legal/decriminalized in the entire country wouldn't you be able to? Or would the military still not allow it?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
I'd be willing to bet it's over 75%.

I'd guess it's probably close to 90%, including people who have only tried it once. I think fewer would admit it over the internet though, as I've seen a few posts on here saying why would they admit it.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
I am of the opinion that the only way to end the drug wars is complete legalization of all recreational substances

I am in full agreement with Doc on this.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19785 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):

I am in full agreement with Doc on this.
*pinwheels backward, as if struck in the chest*

You are in full WHAT with me???   


User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Gov. Schwartzenegger signed SB 1449 which takes immediate effect. As of today, possession of one ounce of marijuana in California is a mere infraction, the same as a parking or speeding ticket.

I thought it was already essentially decriminallized in California? The last time I was out there, last year in Palm Springs, I asked a bouncer if I had to worry about getting arrested if I openly smoked on the street out front. He said no. As long as I had under an ounce, or some simliar amount, it was simply a summons and a fine. And personally, he said he didn't care and wouldn't call the cops or kick me out. Therefore, I just smoked openly that week when I was out at night. I'd just go out on the sidewalk. I tried to make sure there weren't strangers standing right next to me or walking by, but I wasn't all that concerened about hiding it, or being paranoid, either.

Then on the way back to the east coast, at LAX, I went and enjoyed a huge spliff on top of the parking garage before getting on the plane. I'm sure there must have been security cameras around? But I didn't have any problems. Figured if I got caught, within six hours, I'd be on the other side of the country, anyway? I'd just pay the fine by mail.

I live in Maine. And it's essentially been decriminalized here as well for about 15 years. You've always been able to posses up to 1.25 Oz. without possibility of arrest or being charged with a crime. They simply summons you, and you pay a fine. (Use to be $200, but was moved up to $350 last year) and you're charged with a civil infraction, and there's no criminal charge on your record. Then, last year they bumped up the amount you can possess without fear of arrest or criminal charges to a whooping 2.25 Oz! One of the only things I like about living in the hell that is Maine!

I just got pulled over for speeding last week, and the cop saw a couple grams in my car. He simply took it, and didn't even give me the ticket!

We've also got medical marijuana, but unlike Cali, you actually have to have a terminal illness to get it here. There also has been no legal way to obtain it, but we voted in California style dispensaries last year, and they are due to open next year.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
hroughout history, precisely zero government attempts to ban a recreational substance have successfully eliminated use of said substance and 100% of such bans have led to the formation of a black market, typically with violent undercurrents. Through history, examples of banned substances range from opium (once legally available in the US and UK) to chocolate.

It surprises some people, but I'm pretty anti-drug. There's nothing good that comes from them. I've never done anything other than weed, and I smoked it regularly for ten years without ever thinking about trying harder stuff. Then I stopped being a regular user with no withdrawal or other effects. Kind of blows the gateway drug theory out of the water? I just don't consider marijuana a drug. No more than caffeine, nicotine, or Tylenol. As much as I'm for legalization of marijuana, I can't support general legalization of all illicit drugs and narcotics. Just don't see any good in legalizing stuff that actually destroys lives and kills people.

Quoting Continental (Reply 1):
Amsterdam seems to have gotten it right a long time ago...

I was living in Berlin, Germany for two years, and I've been regularly going over there for ten. While not technically legal there, as long as you have under 10 grams, it's a non issue. In the majority of bars and clubs you can just roll a joint and smoke. It's no problem. The worst that happens, and it's rare, is they'll ask you to go outside with it. It's not like this is South Germany, but North Germany it's a non issue. Heck, you can pretty much walk past the cops with a joint and they usually won't do anything.



Quoting AKviator (Reply 2):
I see few problems with legalizing marijuana. Its affects are no worse than alcohol, and I believe there are little to no health consequences (correct me if i'm wrong Doc).

It's absurd to think that smoking it doesn't cause any health problems akin to smoking tobacco. Just the shear amount of tar going into your lungs is kind of a no brainer that it's not healthy. However, you don't have to smoke. You can use vaporizers, or consume orally when it's cooked into fat based solubles (butter) and then used to make treats,




Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 8):

If it was legal/decriminalized in the entire country wouldn't you be able to? Or would the military still not allow it?

I doubt it. You give up your rights and civilian laws when you enter the military. They own you. Not the other way around. However, I've always wondered in places where it's legal, like the Netherlands, are commercial pilots prohibited from consuming cannabis then? Like, can pilots of KLM smoke weed when their off shift, just like pilots can drink alcohol when they're not working?

I'm still undecided about using if you fly. I haven't flown in ten years, but would be hesitant to fly had I smoked weed in the last several weeks. Can't say it permanently harms a user, but I can attest that it can slow you down and make you kind of sluggish, and forgetful if you've used it to any extent recently. At least if you're a regular user. The symptoms kind of clear up, though, after you've stopped for a week or two.




[Edited 2010-10-01 22:51:52]

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
You are in full WHAT with me???

When it comes to drugs, gambling and hookers people call me a libertarian!


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19785 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

I had a stimulating discussion tonight at a party over whether this law will make marijuana citations increase or decrease. I came out of it thinking that cops are going to step up their enforcement a LOT because this is going to be a huge cash cow. You pay $100 and forget about it. Most pot smokers can come up with that kind of money.

But, whatever. You pay a fine. It vanishes.


User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
But, whatever. You pay a fine. It vanishes.


Better yet, legalize and tax the hell out of it, and California will have taken a large step towards fixing some of it's financial problems and budget shortfalls. I think the state would bring in far more money if every cannabis consumer paid many times more than $100 per year on their product in taxes, than the small minority of users who actually get caught and fined a meager $100?

[Edited 2010-10-02 02:30:10]

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

I'm for decriminalization and legalization in France too (you could say it's already decriminalized because nobody is ever charged for just possessing or smoking a small amount, even if they should be), but I have one concern, which is even worse in the US with the car culture : people driving under the influence. Selling alcohol while getting across the message that driving intoxicated is very bad has not yet really worked, so I don't see how selling drugs more freely could help in that matter.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Good news!
Where there any celebrations on the lawn of the State Capitol building?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I had a stimulating discussion tonight at a party over whether this law will make marijuana citations increase or decrease. I came out of it thinking that cops are going to step up their enforcement a LOT because this is going to be a huge cash cow. You pay $100 and forget about it. Most pot smokers can come up with that kind of money

Good point Doc. IMO if you legalized it completely you may get a slight rise in use at first but over long term you won't see a change. If people want it they are going to do it.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 11):
I thought it was already essentially decriminallized in California?

No, it wasn't. But, no one cares as long as you smoke outside. My partner buys it from a legal dispensary. When we go somewhere, he smokes outside. No one cares. He has even smoked near police when we are walking down the street or driving through town. What happens? Nada.

Oregon is about the same. Idaho, on the other hand, does not tolerate marijuana at all.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 15):
but I have one concern, which is even worse in the US with the car culture : people driving under the influence.

How many accidents are there where the driver was only under the influence of pot? The ones I have heard of, the driver was also under the influence of alcohol or cocaine or meth.

One argument that has been going around about Prop 19 is "Everyone will start smoking pot." Counter argument: alcohol is legal, but not everyone drinks. Some of us choose not to.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Goon for California. It's only a small step, but one nonetheless.


"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4024 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting Continental (Reply 1):
Amsterdam seems to have gotten it right a long time ago...

Yes. Can't wait to see the whole beautiful state of California stink up of weed as the beautiful city of Amsterdam does. Of course the irony of treehuggers driving around in their Prius and complaining about the effects of mankind on the environment while smoking a smelly joint without regards for anyone else around them will be lost in most.

As if the economy of the state of California needed anything else to make its citizens even more lethargic.



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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5518 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):

Yes. Can't wait to see the whole beautiful state of California stink up of weed as the beautiful city of Amsterdam does. Of course the irony of treehuggers driving around in their Prius and complaining about the effects of mankind on the environment while smoking a smelly joint without regards for anyone else around them will be lost in most.

Ha yes, wouldn't that be something to see the state enveloped in a giant cloud of dope smoke? Maybe that would be better than the LA smog!  


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

I can say I am a poster child for why it shouldn't be legal. Nobody seems to want to admit how many lives have been wasted over the years as children going through the formative years drugging themselves into unmotivated globs who do not come close to realizing their potential.

That said, the ballot measure to legalize in California, Prop 19 actually will clamp down more on the those under 21 who right now can smoke and buy with virtual impunity. It is rather ironic that more people will probably go to jail after Prop 19 than do now.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 19):
Goon for California

Oh wow, I meant to say GOOD!

Quoting mham001 (Reply 22):
I can say I am a poster child for why it shouldn't be legal. Nobody seems to want to admit how many lives have been wasted over the years as children going through the formative years drugging themselves into unmotivated globs who do not come close to realizing their potential.

Legalizing is not the same as endorsing its use. Look at tobacco for example.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19785 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):

As if the economy of the state of California needed anything else to make its citizens even more lethargic.

Nah, we make a lot of wine here and we're all drunk already, so this isn't going to cause too much more trouble.

After all, it's not like our state's GDP is the largest in the union, accounting for 13% of the total, or like our per-capita GDP is the 11th highest of all states in the union. I suppose if we weren't all drunk on wine and high on pot we might do better!  


25 seb146 : Huh? Have you ever been to California? I mean, outside Anaheim or Hollywood? Really? I live about 45 miles north of San Francisco. I have been to the
26 Pyrex : It better well be, given that it's 12% of the total population (not counting illegal immigrants). What, only 11th in the nation? Looking at the tax r
27 DocLightning : 1) You have not been there or 2) You have been there and are deliberately exaggerating (lying). Parts of Amsterdam do reek of pot. Most parts of Amst
28 mham001 : What thoroughly p*sses me off about it that right now it IS legal to smoke it in public with a medical marijuana card. I see it now in my residential
29 N1120A : Absolutely. The great thing to hear is that Prop 19 has Yes leading No by more than the margin of error, despite every major political candidate or s
30 DocLightning : I wonder why they oppose it, though. My guess is not enough tax revenue.
31 francoflier : They wanted to, but the authorities feared for the well-being of said lawn...
32 mham001 : The tax revenue is a fallacy. They took the some stated value of the marijuana industry and calculated sales tax. Problem is, just like medical marij
33 DocLightning : The difference is that the Arizona law brings up a few very blatantly constitutional issues, like who defines citizenship and what defines "probable
34 N1120A : Fine. Leave. We need fewer people. They have to. Too much political capital to lose if they don't. Nah. Its the social and "law and order" issues. Go
35 Pyrex : You are right. Only the nice parts, especially the ones around Central Station where most people who go to Amsterdam eventually pass by. You can be o
36 MadameConcorde : I suppose it will be the same with weed, not only marijuana. I am not a user but I think this is a very good thing, coming from a said conservative p
37 mham001 : It will be enforced just as it is now, undercover narcs, informants and raids. Same jail and court costs. Thats rich. The potheads will support a hea
38 N1120A : What are you talking about? California's tax base is already extremely healthy, except of course our property tax base. We just happen to be nice eno
39 mham001 : He's talking about the pr campaigns he has seen that are trying to attract people to the state. It is well known that people with money have been fle
40 Pyrex : I thought California was all for wealth redistribution? Or, in typical liberal fashion, it is only when you are talking about other people's money?
41 N1120A : The problem with budgets is the idiotic super-majority rule. End the obstructionism and we would save hundreds of millions a year just on the budgeta
42 seb146 : Like tobacco? Tobacco is legal for those over 18. I never ever see anyone in the mall or the store or school smoking tobacco. No one but no one smoke
43 DocLightning : Clearly, you've never actually been there. I have been there many many times, and what you say is completely false. It's on the ballot!
44 StuckInCA : Why do you speak of California as if it's one homogeneous political entity? I could turn the argument on you and say that the same could be said of t
45 Pyrex : The difference is, as obnoxious as tobacco smoke is, someone smoking a cigarette out in the open stinks up the place maybe within a 5 metre radius of
46 Post contains links PPVRA : I think this is what he is talking about. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md69zCJKD1c It's on TV fairly often here in Atlanta.
47 DocLightning : Probably so. Per capita use of marijuana in the Netherlands is a bit over half of what it is here. Amsterdam is famous for a lot more than pot. Many
48 N1120A : That is a tourism commercial. We get commercials for Alaska, Hawai'i, Florida and even the Carolinas here, among others. Shoot, our biggest commercia
49 PSA53 : I was for this issue,but just too many unanswered questions. No doubt,some states would fall on they're ass if it wasn't for us. Absolutely,Mir. Where
50 Dreadnought : Prop 19, the decriminalization of Pot in CA up for a vote next month (and it looks like it's going to win), does not say anything about taxing the st
51 Post contains links N1120A : Actually, it does. http://www.lao.ca.gov/ballot/2009/090512.aspx Imposition of taxes is allowed by both the state government and the local entities,
52 cpd : Not me. Never touched the stuff. Don't smoke either. I went to school with someone who got into that stuff (and then went onto harder drugs). He dest
53 Post contains images Dreadnought : Allowed, but not imposed. I thought the whole point was to get additional revenue for the state, so why not impose the tax at the same time. It looks
54 francoflier : That's because it only decriminalizes possesion, not sale. That would be the next step, although it's a bigger one to take... No one has taken it bef
55 N1120A : 1) Much like localities have the power to regulate alcohol sales, they will have the power to allow cannabis sales. 2) The level of taxation doesn't
56 einsteinboricua : Does being in the presence or being downwind of it count? I remember a couple of months ago, some friends and I went for a night stroll and met up wi
57 Superfly : So? What's wrong with that? Perhaps they don't want to get arrested for simply getting stoned.
58 PWM2TXLHopper : I'm sure I'll get flammed for this, coming from people who have little to no experience using marijuana However, but its effects of your cognitive mo
59 PPVRA : It would be no surprise to see every pothead in the state and country move to that area, which would throw off any study. This is much less perceptib
60 DocLightning : I don't think it's necessary to specify the tax in the law. Gives the state flexibility. Once marijuana becomes the state's next big economic boom, l
61 vikkyvik : I can say that I am a poster child for how alcohol can have extremely negative effects on your life. But I would NEVER force my own stupid choices on
62 N1120A : Actually, a massive amount of crime is tied to the import of illegal cannabis. Further, making it legal would immediately drop the costs of prosecuti
63 PWM2TXLHopper : Marijuana has also been used since the early days of civilization, in cultures throughout the world. Examples are endless, but here a few for those w
64 N1120A : PWM2TXLHopper tore giant holes in this one. Further, why do people drink alcohol? Sure, its social, but what is the social aspect that is different t
65 Dreadnought : Or the industry will be unionized, but it won't be a very effective union, because members will go out to protest, and yell "We demand... uh, I forgo
66 Post contains links Pyrex : Perhaps. But many more would. No it is not. Like it or not, alcohol is an indistinguishable part from the cultural identity of most cultures of the w
67 vikkyvik : That's not my argument, nor do I think that's what you're saying. I was referring to your argument about alcohol being part of culture, therefore it
68 seb146 : Then why was it made illegal in the first place? How can you justify tobacco? It was only a part of the culture of a few native tribes in North Ameri
69 Post contains links tugger : You can look for yourself: http://www.visualeconomics.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/ the easiest to understand is the third section that show
70 Post contains images DocLightning : Rather than the Million Man March, it will be the Million Pot-Picker...uh...what are we doing, man? They'll march on Washington with their well-used
71 PPVRA : Because they are expensive, there is that added incentive for addicts to take part in crime to pay or their addiction. I prices don't come down signi
72 DocLightning : I'm sorry, but when you are speaking of marijuana, the idea of addicts committing violent crime to get their fix is laughable. A couple of my friends
73 mham001 : Source that a massive amount of crime is tied to importing pot. Reading the law (and analysis by pot proponents who don't like this law) shows that a
74 N1120A : Trafficking elimination is huge, but the addict thing is wrong. The violence associated with cannabis is not because of addiction, but simply because
75 PWM2TXLHopper : I'm referring to high grade, kill bud. Not your run of the mill, mediocre, homegrown stuff. But beautiful, tasty, green bud that's so full of THC, th
76 DocLightning : Of which the vast majority is grown in CA.
77 Post contains images Superfly : ...and is the best quality weed in the world! Makes sense for California to legalize it.
78 seb146 : I have never seen seeds and stems in a bag of weed. I first smoked it when I was about 23. Since then, any time any of my friends or partners who smo
79 N1120A : The Alaskans grow a bunch too. Incidentally, legalizing Humboldt Country will be another massive economic benefit. It smells terrible.
80 DocLightning : Spoiled brat. :p My partner can't stand the taste of beer. Others can't stand the taste of wine. Others can't stand the taste of pot. Each to his own
81 PPVRA : Ok, so "addiction" was a poor choice of words. I also know people who use it and have no problem going extended periods of time without it. I hope you
82 Post contains images Fly2HMO : I'll just leave this here...
83 Post contains images Superfly : Great post! Doesn't bother me. LOL! I HATE the smell of cigarettes! Cigarette smoking is the one vise I could never wrap my head around. It STINKS an
84 Post contains images johnboy : You don't necessarily have to smoke.....you can eat it or vape it. The Berkeley Patients Group collective has a lounge with vaporizers....you go in th
85 vikkyvik : Even though I'm a light cigarette smoker (currently) and absolutely hate the smell of weed, this is all true (except for the getting high part - you
86 Superfly : Had pot brownies once and my goodness, I was stoned for 5 days. This was way back in the 1990s. Damn it just seems like yesterday. Vaporizing didn't
87 seb146 : In your opinion. I don't care much for the smell, but pot smoke is WAY better smelling than tobacco smoke! Santa Cruz collectives just started sellin
88 N1120A : Excellent. And that tax chart was just from the agricultural cultivation end. Nothing to do with taxing packs of joints or the extra sales of rolling
89 AR385 : I´m all for legalizing pot. I think it is necessary fo many reasons, most if not all, have already been discussed here. One that has not, is that leg
90 tugger : Yes, the use may increase (but part of the "increase" will people who will now admit to using it because it is legal) but the problems associated wil
91 wardialer : Wait a second, I thought that marijuana would be legal like getting cigarettes from the corner liquor store???? Or, has this changed now? I thought th
92 seb146 : There are actually two things going on in California. The OP is about Senate Bill 1449 which the governer signed into law. That being: if a person is
93 DocLightning : It would do a lot more than that. It would also legalize, regulate, and tax the production and sale of marijuana within the state. Essentially, in so
94 N1120A : Its a Constitutional question that was answered by the Supreme Court, stating that the supremacy clause, doctrine of dual sovereigns and commerce cla
95 DocLightning : It's going to become a lot more thorny of a question once more and more starts pass their own legalization laws. Basically, the idea of an elected go
96 N1120A : It will not be a thorny question. The Supreme Court as constituted will not rule in favor of the States on this issue, even if all 50 pass such laws.
97 DocLightning : The Supreme Court can be made irrelevant if the states (i.e. the voters) put enough pressure on the federal government to issue those tax stamps. 20
98 N1120A : That is actually a point, but I don't see it until you get major candidates actually supporting it. The fact that the major figures in California sti
99 DocLightning : We're about to see a model of what happens. We The People are about to have a quiet little revolution over here on the Left Coast, and it ain't all a
100 N1120A : We only have ourselves to blame for that.
101 Post contains links dxing : So it seems that even if it does pass, Prop 19 won't make much of a dent in the cartels profits. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_drug_war_legalization C
102 seb146 : I doubt that was ever the idea. The cartels would still grow pot in the forests of far northern California to supply the rest of the United States. I
103 DocLightning : Duh. There will need to be complete legalization of all drugs to stop the cartels. What we're doing is like legalizing Bud Lite only at the end of Pr
104 dxing : Several comments were made that this will lower the cost of enforcement, prosecution, and incarceration in the State. As the Rand study details, that
105 PSA53 : The Feds said that no matter how Prop.19 turns out,they will continue to enforce "illegal" usage of marijuana. Good luck on that one.But what it might
106 dxing : Yep, AG Holder has said today that the Feds will still enforce federal law no matter what the State law is. Another one headed for the courts.
107 DocLightning : I predict that the price of pot will not significantly drop because it remains illegal in adjacent states. So the inflation of prices in, say, Nevada
108 seb146 : Is it snowing in Rio? Law enforcement will still be going after dealers because dealers not only sell pot but also cocaine, meth, heroine and ecstacy
109 PPVRA : Don't forget often blood in their hands, too. I'm not sure either. With all the uncertainty in the legal field surrounding this, it's difficult to ha
110 N1120A : Not from a cartel revenue prospective, but from an enforcement prospective. Actually, the biggest dent will be made in state. Cannabis related arrest
111 Superfly : When Steve Cooley becomes the next Attorney General, will he make a fuss about this? Has he been posturing on the campaign trail?
112 N1120A : I think Harris is going to win. Cooley has WAY too much dirty laundry.
113 Post contains images Superfly : WTF&^R&(#(Y@TQV (PQ Kamala Harris the most rotten, worthless, piece of $h!....err....don't even get me started on her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've
114 tugger : They both do not support Prop 19. Steve helped to write the official ballot argument against Prop. 19 and Kamela wrote supportive rebuttal arguments
115 Post contains images Superfly : Damn. Poor California. They have two awful choices for Attorney General. Choosing between Kamala Harris and Steve Cooley is like choosing AIDS vs. Ca
116 N1120A : Cooley has his own problems. Harris has pointed out significant issues Cooley has with corruption, as well as the greed he is showing in double dippi
117 Post contains images Superfly : Who is she to judge? She is the most corrupt politician in San Francisco. Yep, by going after non-violent crimes and letting violent criminals walk.
118 N1120A : Cooley may be the most corrupt politician in the state. Lies, Damn lies... AG. Nope. Not for a guy like Cooley. If it were Richard Riordan for govern
119 Superfly : Probably but there is no possible way for me to type in 1 single post my disdain for Kamala Harris. That would require several days to write up. She
120 Post contains images PSA53 : The latest polls show prop.19 will be going up in smoke.
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