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Times Square Bomb Plotter Gets Life In Jail  
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Well, can't really say i'm surprised - the amount of casualties he would have caused had the bomb actually "worked".

However I am worried that this won't "put off" any other copycat attempts. Sadly "AQ" and it's factions will always try again / other means.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11475783

A bit of background on the guy.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad

[Edited 2010-10-05 08:06:12]


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Bye Bye buddy. Enjoy your life in jail. Maybe the Taliban and AQ will come visit you.

[Edited 2010-10-05 08:29:19]

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

I forgot to add, the distressing thing about this case is that the guy is a 'U.S citizen'.

It's really sickening to think that he wanted to go out there and kill the citizens of his own country, just because he felt like it (had a thing against foreign policy?)!

Would it be accurate to label him as another Timothy McVeigh? Probably not, but I think maybe a few would....



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 2):
It's really sickening to think that he wanted to go out there and kill the citizens of his own country, just because he felt like it (had a thing against foreign policy?)!

He didn't become a citizen so he coould be part of the US. He hates the citizens of "his" country.


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 2):
I forgot to add, the distressing thing about this case is that the guy is a 'U.S citizen'.

The judge brought this up;

Quote:
Shahzad, 31, defended his attempt to kill Americans. During his statement before sentencing, Cedarbaum cut him off at one point to ask if he had sworn allegiance to the United States when the Pakistan-born Shahzad became a citizen last year.

"I did swear but I did not mean it," Shahzad said.

"So you took a false oath," the judge told him.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...imes_square_bomber_to_be_sent.html



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
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Just shoot him. Why waste my tax dollars by keeping him alive in prison? Shoot him in the head and send his family a bill for the bullet


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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
Just shoot him. Why waste my tax dollars by keeping him alive in prison? Shoot him in the head and send his family a bill for the bullet

Yeah that is right, lets show the world how brutal we are. We should embrace all our enemies and show them we want peace, instead lowering ourselves to them. Maybe he had a hard childhood growing up, and this all he had in life. Did he have parents, that nutured him enough? Maybe the only family he ever had that loved him was AQ, but you say we should just kill him and rid the world of him??????   Just Kidding!! 

HAHAHAHA!! I just messing with you, it is a slow day, I agree, if he wanted to be a mass murderer, I say let him hang and save the money to fee d the homeless.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

He is a nobody. A nothing. Put him in a dark hole and let him rot. No publicity, no stories, nothing. Killing him would be too easy..this is better.


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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2774 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Also if you kill these jihadists, you're giving them what they want. They fancy themselves "martyrs" if they are killed in the course of their crusade, whether by ammunition or execution.

I feel better that we deny them their "glory."



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Enjoy your life in jail.



Sadly he will.
In prison he can devote his entire life to reading the quran and praying throughout the day.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
Just shoot him. Why waste my tax dollars by keeping him alive in prison? Shoot him in the head and send his family a bill for the bullet
Quoting Airstud (Reply 9):
Also if you kill these jihadists, you're giving them what they want. They fancy themselves "martyrs" if they are killed in the course of their crusade, whether by ammunition or execution.




It's a lose, lose situation.  
Life in prison for these people isn't a bad thing. I guarantee you that he will convert a few fellow inmates to his religion.
If any thing, he will get a lot of respect and honor in prison as well as 3 meals a day, showers, health club, halal diet and probably a few conjugal visits.
Many prisoners convert to Islam to avoid harassment and sodomy.
Doesn't matter if you are a terrorist, murderer, rapist, pedophile, bank robber, etc. If you convert to Islam in a US prison, you are forgiven and welcomed in to their brotherhood with open arms.
I've heard this from people I've met that have served time and here is a few links.
Sadly it's not talked about too much in the media.
Don't think for a second that he isn't a problem now that he is serving a life sentence. Many inmates serving shorter sentences will be influenced by him and carry out their terror when they are released early for 'good behavior'.
I think it is sick that our country locks people up for simple marijuana possession with these kinds of animals.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416712/posts

http://www.radicalislam.org/threat/homegrown-threat/us-prisons

http://www.religioustolerance.org/islpris.htm



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3014 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Did you hear what he had to say, after the judge sentenced him to life improvement.

It was along the lines of.. "the war against the west, has only just begun"

I hope he is wrong, although I suspect there might be an element of truth in it  



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Bye Bye buddy. Enjoy your life in jail.

Indeed - it's a very long time, and not a very nice place.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
Just shoot him.

No, then he gets his wish. Life in prison prevents that.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
It was along the lines of.. "the war against the west, has only just begun"

It's probably just a bit of theatrical bluster I think (well, I hope).


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 12):
it's a very long time, and not a very nice place.
Quoting cpd (Reply 12):
No, then he gets his wish. Life in prison prevents that.

To him it's just fine.
He get's what he wishes in prison or out of prison. Take some time to read the links I posted in reply #10.
This is scary stuff.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

It's too bad that when he was putting together his bomb that it didn't go off and kill him. Now the taxpayers get stuck with millions in costs in housing this sick bastard. At least he admited his guilt and he wasn't tortured to get him to plead guilty.

User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Whay can't guys like him be sent to Guantanamo?


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
Just shoot him. Why waste my tax dollars by keeping him alive in prison? Shoot him in the head and send his family a bill for the bullet

I couldn't agree more. $15,000 per year of my tax dollars going to this bastard for the rest of his life, you can't argue that. I say we release him in the middle of the desert with no water and video tape it as he suffers to death of thirst and heat exhaustion, then send it to Al Jazeera and let them show the extremisst what we do to their kind when we capture them.    . Unfortunately, we can't do that because of human rights   



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14140 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Maybe they should have given him the choice to be tried by a Sharia court and then invited the big guy with the big sword over from Saudi-Arabia?   

In any case, in a few weeks he will have realised that yesterday was the beginning of the rest of his life. It will be extremely monotonous and I´m sure that in a few years he will wish that he got the bullet or a quick strike with a sword, especially if he serves his life in an underground cell in a supermax with one hour a day "outside" in some enclosed courtyard.

Jan

[Edited 2010-10-06 10:45:56]

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 8):
He is a nobody. A nothing. Put him in a dark hole and let him rot. No publicity, no stories, nothing. Killing him would be too easy..this is better.

  

Quoting Airstud (Reply 9):
Also if you kill these jihadists, you're giving them what they want. They fancy themselves "martyrs" if they are killed in the course of their crusade, whether by ammunition or execution.

I feel better that we deny them their "glory."

  

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
In any case, in a few weeks he will have realised that yesterday was the beginning of the rest of his life. It will be extremely monotonous and I´m sure that in a few years he will wish that he got the bullet or a quick strike with a sword, especially if he serves his life in an underground cell in a supermax with one hour a day "outside" in some enclosed courtyard.

  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
It will be extremely monotonous and I´m sure that in a few years he will wish that he got the bullet or a quick strike with a sword, especially if he serves his life in an underground cell in a supermax with one hour a day "outside" in some enclosed courtyard.

Folks, you all need to read these links from reply #10.
We have a MUCH bigger problem on our hand now that he is in a US prison.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416712/posts

http://www.radicalislam.org/threat/homegrown-threat/us-prisons

http://www.religioustolerance.org/islpris.htm



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 15):
Whay can't guys like him be sent to Guantanamo?



They should be . They should be handled as enemy combatants or spies like in war time.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
We have a MUCH bigger problem on our hand now that he is in a US prison.



Thank you Superfly ... this needs to be discussed . And this is not a new problem in our prisons ... my father works with a Christian ministry and charity for inmates,they have been seeing the Islamification of our inmates for years .

Radical Islam is becoming the ultimate form of rebellion against the "system" . It has become the rage against machine so to speak ...and that is dangerous .



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 2):

Would it be accurate to label him as another Timothy McVeigh? Probably not, but I think maybe a few would....

In a way, sure. A domestic criminal who is being punished for his crimes.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):

In prison he can devote his entire life to reading the quran and praying throughout the day.

And? As anti-religion as I am, I would rather prisoners be sitting around praying, reading holy texts and not rioting and trying to escape.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
my father works with a Christian ministry and charity for inmates,they have been seeing the Islamification of our inmates for years .

So, inmates can't choose their religion? Early release for "accepting Jesus as their lord and savior?" So much for the First Amendment.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):

We have a MUCH bigger problem on our hand now that he is in a US prison.

Except that he is likely going to be locked up in ADX Florence or somewhere similarly isolated.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14140 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
my father works with a Christian ministry and charity for inmates,they have been seeing the Islamification of our inmates for years .

Well, in this case your father is not exactly neutral, since he basically sees the "competition" growing.

But it is true that radical movements tend to attract social losers, former petty criminals and instable personalities, who suddenly have seen the light and become fanatics of their ideology (e.g. the sister of a German, who converted to radical Islam and was caught building bombs, said in an interview that if her brother would not have joined the Islamists, he would as well have joined a militant Neo-Nazi group, or, 30 years before, a radical communist group like the Baader-Meinhof gang.).

Jan


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
Just shoot him. Why waste my tax dollars by keeping him alive in prison? Shoot him in the head and send his family a bill for the bullet

Because life in prison is a lot worse than a bullet to the head.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):

They should be . They should be handled as enemy combatants or spies like in war time.

So no more Constitution? If Tom Ridge says you're a terrorist that's it? Off to Guantanamo with you? That's one way to let the terrorists win. Get us to dismantle our own Constitution.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):

Thank you Superfly ... this needs to be discussed . And this is not a new problem in our prisons ... my father works with a Christian ministry and charity for inmates,they have been seeing the Islamification of our inmates for years .

Well it's a no-brainer. If you're a radical Islamic recruiter, where better to find a supply of angry, alienated, violent young men than the prison system? You don't even have to brainwash them into hating the government! Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Prisoners lose every other Constitutional right. Why do they keep the right to freedom of religion? In my opinion, there should be no chaplains of any religion in the prison. Want freedom of religion? Don't break the law.


User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2774 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
Prisoners lose every other Constitutional right. Why do they keep the right to freedom of religion? In my opinion, there should be no chaplains of any religion in the prison. Want freedom of religion? Don't break the law.

Wha...? ...Wha?!?!?  Wow!

Where is the left-wing, Paco-tending, pediatrician of San Francisco, and what have you done with him?!?  

Gonna have to start calling you DocRightwing. You'd think I'd be inclined to say "Welcome to our side" but really what you say here seems extreme and not reform-minded. Even conservative Airstud here believes that criminals (with short, non-violent rap sheets) should be given a chance at reform, and religion, in some cases, helps them make proper decisions (especially those whose lives previously haven't afforded them such opportunities).

Also I'm not sure it's accurate to say prisoners lose other Constimatutional rights...don't they retain their Sixth Amendment right to legal counsel?



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25 DocLightning : Religion is a two-edged sword. And there are a lot of behaviors that get excused in the name of religion that ought not to be. When you are dealing w
26 Post contains images WarRI1 : I wish him a short stay in prison, not a long stay by any means.
27 Post contains images Superfly : One of the articles states that Muslims in US prisons is 20-times higher than in the US population. I have a cousin who unfortunately made some wrong
28 soon7x7 : No he wasn't...he was a pedigree radical from begining to end. I'm sure when you get down to it guys like him are available by the six pack if you ca
29 MD11Engineer : Basically it is the same as joining a prison gang. If you are alone, unless you are really tough and strong and manage to keep the others away by sca
30 Superfly : Joining a prison gang doesn't prevent you from getting raped and forced in to sodomy. Unless you go in made of muscle and know how to kick some serio
31 MD11Engineer : Well, here Russian mafia gangs took over many prisons. They don´t use drugs and are totally ruthless in protecting their own, so if you join one of
32 NIKV69 : Personally I think this person should get the death penalty. I don't care about how he is viewed as a hero if he gives his life. If you attempt to ki
33 Superfly : Are non-Whites allowed to join the Russian mafia? Are these Russian skinhead gangs? Muslims accept all races. Have you seen what's going on in Nigeri
34 AGM100 : Of course they can . I have not heard of the early release scenario you mentioned... I guess you could see it that way ... but my father and the men
35 MD11Engineer : In Nigeria it is again tribal warfare. The population in the desert north is mainly Muslim, while the population close to the coast (where the oil is
36 DocLightning : I disagree. I want him to rot there for a long time. I think that's a lot worse than death.
37 Superfly : As I've said in my above post, he will not "rot" in prison. It will be free room & board for him to devote his life to his religion of choice and
38 MD11Engineer : While the MILF in the Philippines has extreme territorial damands and fights a guerilla war against Filipino police and military, their leadership cl
39 DocLightning : Not if he's in solitary it's not. I hope he is.
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