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Republican Candidate As SS Re-enactor  
User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

It gets weirder and weirder...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1...iott-republican-hous_n_756870.html

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Yea this is pretty stupid. No matter what you are doing or re-enacting it's very bad taste and should not be done. Use your head.

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

He is very lucky not to be in Germany, where that is illegal.

User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8760 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

There are things that don't need re-enactment...


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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9286 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

I cannot even imagine anyone dressing as a Nazi. A Republican doing so is bizzare. I wonder what there is to admire about a Nazi Soldier? I never saw anything to inspire me. I have watched a ton of war films over the years, and I do not recall any humanitarian efforts by the Nazi Soldiers. I wonder what the Russians would say about them, the French, the Dutch, the Finns, Poles, the British etc. I am sure it would not be complimentary. I seem to remember a British Prince wearing the outfit, did not go over too well. Nice values to teach ones son also. Let us hear the spin from the "right"


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User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8760 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I have watched a ton of war films over the years, and I do not recall any humanitarian efforts by the Nazi Soldiers.

I hope you mean documentaries because "Saving Private Ryan" isn't a history lesson.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9286 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I have watched a ton of war films over the years, and I do not recall any humanitarian efforts by the Nazi Soldiers.

I hope you mean documentaries because "Saving Private Ryan" isn't a history lesson.

Absolutely, war documentaries, I never confuse the two. I should have made that clear.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I wonder what there is to admire about a Nazi Soldier?

I remember the actor Christian Berkel who played one of the conspirators (Colonel Albrecht Mertz von Quirnheim) in the recent movie Valkyrie explaning a bit about the uniform in particular, he noted that putting on the uniform (not the SS one, however), it lifts you - you walk different with head held higher, more proper, etc.

Not that he particularly admired those soldiers from those days, but it was an interesting interview.

[Edited 2010-10-11 20:37:54]

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9286 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 7):
I remember the actor Christian Berkel who played one of the conspirators (Colonel Albrecht Mertz von Quirnheim) in the recent movie Valkyrie explaning a bit about the uniform in particular, he noted that putting on the uniform (not the SS one, however), it lifts you - you walk different with head held higher, more proper, etc.

Not that he particularly admired those soldiers from those days, but it was an interesting interview.

I think that was part of the problem, the uniform. they were tought to think like Supermen., and they dressed the part. The SS Uniform was terrifying to see, imagine the poor people who saw it coming their way. Portraying regular German Soldiers would have been bad enough, to portray the Waffen SS was stupid. They were killers, not soldiers. If this is an example of this mans charactor, and judgement, then he is lacking something.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

I know a guy who used to work with me, a few years back, who was into recreating the Napoleonic wars; he took it very seriously (he used to have us all laughing at the problems he used to have trying to get his musket through customs!) and was an expert; it was great fun and very interesting, but there is of course a HUGE difference between Napoleon and Hitler (well, apart from their abortive attempts to conquer Russia).

I think the key difference is that only someone who was totally ignorant of the extent of the SS's activities would even think of wearing such a uniform. It would be very interesting to find out about how much he knows about the SS, its tactics and its crimes; I wonder if he has ever heard of Malmedy?

And he's a tea party candidate. Why doesn't that surprise me!


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9286 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
I wonder if he has ever heard of Malmedy?

Quite obviously, either he did not, or he did not care about the real life exploits of these killers. I do believe he will know more about the Waffen SS before this is over then he ever wanted to. Rightfully so.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I have watched a ton of war films over the years, and I do not recall any humanitarian efforts by the Nazi Soldiers

Oh well, that settles it then, if it wasn't in any war movies...

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
the Finns

You wonder what they would say to the German soldiers? Probably "thank you for helping defend us from a Russian invasion", maybe?

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I seem to remember a British Prince wearing the outfit, did not go over too well.

Totally different situation. Halloween is not a historical re-enactement!

Seriously, people must be grasping at straws if this becomes a campaign issue. The guy is into history and likes to play make pretend battle. Guess what, if you are going to do a World War II re-enactement then someone has to play the other side, otherwise the battle gets a bit boring... You do realize it is make-believe, right? The guys wearing the nazi uniforms aren't really nazis, the same way the guys wearing the green uniforms aren't really U.S. WW2 GIs.

I can see it now, overly-sensitive liberals scouting out the location of the next re-enactements replacing the "good guys" blank cartridges with live ammo so they can teach the "bad guys" a lesson.



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User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Seriously, people must be grasping at straws if this becomes a campaign issue. The guy is into history and likes to play make pretend battle. Guess what, if you are going to do a World War II re-enactement then someone has to play the other side, otherwise the battle gets a bit boring... You do realize it is make-believe, right? The guys wearing the nazi uniforms aren't really nazis, the same way the guys wearing the green uniforms aren't really U.S. WW2 GIs.

I can see it now, overly-sensitive liberals scouting out the location of the next re-enactements replacing the "good guys" blank cartridges with live ammo so they can teach the "bad guys" a lesson.

The irony of pleading against over-reaction concerning a member of the teaparty which has pushed the birther nonsense and the theme that Obama is really a muslim or a manchurian candidate is not lost on some of us.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5770 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

I think this is the the dumbest story, there is just nothing here. Many grew up playing cowboys and indians, or cops and robbers, and nowadays people think it is cool to be a "pimp". There are plenty of people who role play the Civil War, and both sides are proudly played, and its not because people who play as Confederate want to return to slave ownership but because it was a different time and this is one way people learn about it. They are not bad or evil people. Re-enacting as a Nazi is not the same as being a "skinhead" or a supremacist and wanting, war, racial superiority, and purity.

I had friends who used to "war game" and recreate the battles of WWII, acting as the Russians, the Germans, the Allies, all the actors of the war but their favorite was either Russian or German because the odds were longer. I used to play D&D where I was almost always a warrior and would slaughter people. Later in my teens I would play a role playing spy game where I was an assassin, I had a Russian, a Romanian, and mercenary. I killed people and enjoyed it. In the game.

Are all the actors that played German SS soldiers bad? Or how about the quiet honor that the Christian Russian Constable had in Fiddler on the Roof? That was a terrible thing to do to people. Shouldn't they have turned down the parts because to give any credence or honor to the part could be considered immoral or bad? Heck they are doing it for money, isn't that worse? Or are these people simply acting?

Now am I an evil person for the game-play I have done and do in my life? No. I knew what a terrible thing it was to kill people and to work to oppress people but it was just game play. We all know what the American Indians went through, the terrible deprivation, the forced marches, the death, yet we still played and have fond memories of our playing. I bet many people picked being a robber when playing cops and robbers because it was more fun to be the robber. I am trying to think of all the socially unacceptable things I have done in my "game play" but it is not wrong. To actually do the stuff, to believe that it is the way things should be be examples of a bad person but play acting or re-enactments are not a bad thing nor do they make someone a bad person.

This is much adieu about nothing. Where is Officer Barbrady when you need him?

Tugg



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2776 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Seriously, people must be grasping at straws if this becomes a campaign issue. The guy is into history and likes to play make pretend battle. Guess what, if you are going to do a World War II re-enactement then someone has to play the other side, otherwise the battle gets a bit boring... You do realize it is make-believe, right? The guys wearing the nazi uniforms aren't really nazis, the same way the guys wearing the green uniforms aren't really U.S. WW2 GIs.

Exactly.... I don't understand the whole uproar about this (other than the easy fact that it is a Republican). I may be completely wrong and I apologize if I just sound like a uniformed idiot, but I honestly don't see the big deal if he was taking place in a re-enactment. Nazi Germany was a massive part of WWII obviously.... There is no going around it if you want to do an actual re-enactment of WWII.

Just desperate people grasping at straws for political ground in my opinion... (keep that in mind).



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2805 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Who cares?

It's a re-enactment and both sides can't be the allies.



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User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Complete non-issue.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 14):
Just desperate people grasping at straws for political ground in my opinion... (keep that in mind).

That's exactly what it is.

What's really bizarre is that we even have avowed Republicans either condemning this or simply afraid to speak up about how dumb the attack was.


User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Oh well, that settles it then, if it wasn't in any war movies...

Let's just ignore the part where he corrected himself and explained that he meant to say documentaries.  
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Seriously, people must be grasping at straws if this becomes a campaign issue. The guy is into history and likes to play make pretend battle. Guess what, if you are going to do a World War II re-enactement then someone has to play the other side, otherwise the battle gets a bit boring
Quoting KPDX (Reply 14):
I don't understand the whole uproar about this (other than the easy fact that it is a Republican)
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 15):
It's a re-enactment and both sides can't be the allies.
Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 16):
That's exactly what it is.
What's really bizarre is that we even have avowed Republicans either condemning this or simply afraid to speak up about how dumb the attack was

Did any of you actually bother to read the article? Did you miss the part where the article mentions that Iott was a member of a group dedicated to "re-enacting the exploits of an actual Nazi division, the 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking". There's a difference between belonging to a World War II re-enactment group and one that is dedicated to re-enacting the war from the point of view of a Nazi division, and I assume that you are all well aware of that difference.



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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5640 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
There's a difference between belonging to a World War II re-enactment group and one that is dedicated to re-enacting the war from the point of view of a Nazi division, and I assume that you are all well aware of that difference.

Actually, I don't see the difference. He chooses to re-enact the role of the Nazis during his fun and games. So what? Are you saying that he's a Nazi or sympathetic to Nazism ecause of that?

What of our own Civil War re-enactment groups. Are those that choose, time and again, to play the Confederate side wanna-be slave owners?

This is a straw-grasping, non-event.

i can't wait until the "October surprise" is rolled out.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 13):
nowadays people think it is cool to be a "pimp".

Well........   

Quoting tugger (Reply 13):
Re-enacting as a Nazi is not the same as being a "skinhead"

Well he is standing right next to one.




This is insane!
The more I read, the crazier the story became.
This lunatic shouldn't be anywhere near any elected office.
Sadly he may very well will in this conservative district.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I wonder what there is to admire about a Nazi Soldier?

A sign of things to come? Will the next Congress turn into Nazi US?...I'm serious.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 20):
A sign of things to come? Will the next Congress turn into Nazi US?...I'm serious.



Yep ... that is our evil plan indeed !. The 4th Reich .....   

Its one guy .... one weird guy . According to story today he may have also been dressed as a British Tommy for another reenactment... does that mean he his .... whatever. Man the democrats are desperate ....



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User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21):
Yep ... that is our evil plan indeed !. The 4th Reich .....

Its one guy .... one weird guy . According to story today he may have also been dressed as a British Tommy for another reenactment... does that mean he his .... whatever. Man the democrats are desperate ....

Ah. Thanks for clarifying it's all much ado about nothing.

Let me also contribute about more teapartiers who love a good uniform...

Here's a picture of J T Ready and Russel Pearce (who engineered the infamous SB1070 anti-illegal immigration law):



And here's another with J T Ready on the right end in a suit...







It's interesting their comfort zones overlap so much.


Good thing they wear patriotic colors so we can tell where they stand.




[Edited 2010-10-12 09:02:26]

[Edited 2010-10-12 09:03:43]

User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting avent (Reply 22):
Ah. Thanks for clarifying it's all much ado about nothing.



Stop already .... we have been over this . The guy got a picture at a campaign stop somewhere ... big deal. JT Ready is a fool and we all know it. He speeks for no one ....

But if this is the best ya got then lay it .... good by Dems...



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User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
Stop already .... we have been over this . The guy got a picture at a campaign stop somewhere ... big deal. JT Ready is a fool and we all know it. He speeks for no one ....

He speaks for no one? When his SB1070 bill got accepted and enjoys substantial support in AZ? Sorry, lad, but he is a main figure of the Teaparty in AZ. If that 'sticks in the craw' of teaparty defenders, too bad.


25 MD11Engineer : I´m involved in 20th century living history / re-encatment myself (strictly Allied, we don´t do battle re-enactment, since we think we can´t do it
26 474218 : I wonder why the Huffington Post of The Atlantic Monthly did not bother the include Mr. Iott's explanation? Iott said he has been involved in re-enact
27 AGM100 : Because were all Nazi's down here in Az .... you win. I once built a ME-109 ( JG-51 Molders) and Eastern Front FW-190 A8 ( JG-54 green hearts ) and g
28 avent : No, I lose. Because we are drifting ever closer to fascism, it's you who can put a checkmark in the 'win' column. But since you have given up pretend
29 AGM100 : Pearce has denounced JT the wacko .... and Pearce is a elected official . I didn't say Pearce does not speak for no one ... I said JT does not . Pear
30 avent : Not quite as dramatic as the 'night of the long knives' I suppose. I stand corrected. But since there's video of Pearce applauding J T Ready, I guess
31 AGM100 : Sorry ,, Avent ... that was the idea of the weather underground and the Presidents supporters. We will never agree Avent sorry bout that .
32 avent : It's ok, they're building them none-the-less. They're different from those in WWII Europe in that those had metal signs like "works makes you free",
33 iairallie : Reanactment is a fantasy game so of course your are going to pretend to be something better than you would be in real life. Who is going to choose to
34 windy95 : Nothing wrong with with it. Agree No they did not read the article. Why let facts get in the way. Once again when has the left let facts get in the w
35 OA412 : I don't know about you, but when I want to engage in "fun and games" I don't tend to dress up in the uniform of one of the worst regimes in human his
36 fr8mech : I'm not drawing a comparison between the The Third Reich and The Confederacy. I'm asking whether it is appropriate to believe that a re-enactor neces
37 windy95 : Why is it funny that people do re-enactments? No big deal... You made a point? Was that the one that he has been in many re-enactments over the last
38 AGM100 : Uh ? They ( The President, Speaker of the House and Majority leader and every other dem official) have been saying (admitting) it since the first tea
39 WarRI1 : I agree, he should not be elected dog catcher. I think that is the first time I have seen such jovial Nazi's. I do have to wonder if they were smilin
40 PSA727 : Oh the Democrats are so desparate at this point, it's sad. Tell me, were they as equally outrgaed with the beloved Senator Byrd who wore a Ku Klux Kla
41 Post contains images WarRI1 : Accusing all the rest of humankind of such acts does not excuse this fool for such poor judgement. We all know the sins of the world and the many who
42 LTBEWR : What if this person did a role of a Confederate Civil War General? That could be interpertred as even worse than protraying a Nazi officer to many, es
43 Starbuk7 : So, you are saying that Hollywood should not do any movies about past wars because re-enactments with Nazi's are just wrong and should not be done. H
44 avent : No. Iott did not just do random enactments; he wasn't part of a group that needed some members to play the roles of the SS; he was affiliated with an
45 AGM100 : Anyone who does any reading about the German army in WWII will know the difference between the German military and the Nazi's . The German Military ,
46 LOT767-300ER : This is one of those things that Americans think would make some culture uncomfortable because its insensitive to them when in reality no one really
47 AGM100 : Pretty simple ...her ideology does not work unless they have rich people to steal from. Her ideology would not work in say Kenya or Greece .... it on
48 Superfly : .....and all of those old Democrats switched to the Republican Party, just as Strom Thurmond.
49 WarRI1 : Trent Lott Republican was a Bigot, talk about a joke statement, you sure are good at it. Trent Lott was booted for being a Bigot. My goodness talk ab
50 AGM100 : Well said ....It is truly a magic trick . There are bad players on all sides in every human endeavour but the Dems have been able to keep the wool fi
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