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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7177 times:
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Do you drive a car/truck with a manual or automatic transmission? Here in the USA most cars are automatics and have been since the 1960s. Manual shift cars can be difficult to find, as many cars are not made available with manual transmissions and if they are many dealers do not stock very many of them. My mother runs into that problem when she gets a new car. She likes a manual, but the only manuals on the lot are usually in the bare bones models and she wants the fancier model, so she has to order it. When I visit Europe I see most of the cars are manuals and that is great, I wish we had more here.

I am not particular one way or the other. I like a small car with a manual and a truck with a manual is great too, unless you are pulling boats out of the launch.

My 08 Lincoln Town Car is obviously and Automatic, but my 1981 Ford F-100 is a three speed manual, column shift. I bet a lot of the younger members here have never driven or seen a "three on the tree" before. The truck is a a real driver's vehicle, no power steering, no power brakes, no hydraulic clutch....

For those of you that may wonder what I did with my 84 1/2 ton Chevy, well, the frame rusted and buckled so she went to the scrap yard....


Those of you not familiar with the "three on the tree" will notice that the shifter is in the same place as automatic column shift, but there is a clutch pedal, that gives away the fact that it isn't an automatic. The shift pattern is: in and down is 1st, out and up is 2nd, out and down is 3rd and in and up is reverse. Some manufacturers built four speed column shifts too.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7173 times:

I drive a stick, and will unless I rent a car, break a leg, or they just stop making them. My pet peeve, though, is the "need" for automatic transmissions to have a tach, but not manuals.


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
Do you drive a car/truck with a manual or automatic transmission?

I have an automatic transmission aka S-Tronic:



I'll never, ever drive a car with a manual transmission again. Why should I switch the gears by myself when a computer can do this for me?

Patrick


User currently offlinepelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2):
I'll never, ever drive a car with a manual transmission again. Why should I switch the gears by myself when a computer can do this for me?

Because it's more fun?

pelican


User currently offlineidealstandard From France, joined Apr 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

Both my cars are manuals. 6 speed in one, 5 in the other.

I do like autos though and wouldn't hesitate to consider one on a higher end diesel on a car I am considering for 2011.

IS


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7159 times:
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Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
My pet peeve, though, is the "need" for automatic transmissions to have a tach, but not manuals.

I don't get that either. My truck didn't have a tach, but I did install an aftermarket one, as I have done on my other old trucks. Those old Fords did offer a tachometer as an option, but you don't see it too often. The tach would be in the center of the cluster.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
I drive a stick, and will unless I rent a car, break a leg, or they just stop making them.

My mom broke her hip a few years ago and one of her biggest worries was that she wouldn't be able to push in the clutch again and have to get an automatic. Fortunetly everything healed great and she continues to drive a manual without difficulty.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

Quoting pelican (Reply 3):
Because it's more fun?

333 HP are also fun with S-Tronic, especially in the "S" mode.  

Patrick


User currently offlineidealstandard From France, joined Apr 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
333 HP are also fun with S-Tronic, especially in the "S" mode.

Unfortunately autos dullify the experience on anything lower end, not to mention the increase in fuel consumption (especially on diesels)


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7562 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
I bet a lot of the younger members here have never driven or seen a "three on the tree" before.

Hmmm I think the last European car sold with a "three on the tree" tranny was the Ford Anglia Mk 4, build from 62-67.


User currently offlineAKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Manual all the way. I hate autos, you never know what they are doing and when they are going to shift. I'd rather have the control.

Plus there is something intrinsically fun and powerful of double clutching on the 3 2 downshift and popping your motor up to 5.5K RPM  



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User currently offlinepelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):

333 HP are also fun with S-Tronic, especially in the "S" mode.

No doubt about that, but they would be more fun with a manual.

Last weekend I drove the new 530d and I really hated the auto. Not because it was a bad one, but I missed the playing with clutch and stick. To me a manual is more fun, no matter how much HP I'll have. Especially driving on hilly terrain is so much more fun with a manual. But maybe it's just me.

pelican

[Edited 2010-10-23 08:22:03]

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Back in the late 1970's, I had a 1966 Plymouth with '3 on the tree' and my brother had a 1970 Ford F-100 pickup with the same shifter position.

Almost all other cars I have owned have had automatic, it is the most practical way to drive in stop-and-go traffic here in the metro NY City/Northern NJ area. My current car, a 2006 Mazda 6, has a 6-speed automatic that has the option of manually up or down shifting gears, that is great when going downhill, or approaching a toll gate, etc. I think the last time I drove a stick shift vehicle for any sigifiant distance was in 2002 with a Ford Focus in the UK. WIth today's more afvanced automatic transmissions, the fuel economy benefits for many are very small.


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 7105 times:
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Two cars with a manual transmission at the moment (3 series and Miata).

Having said that, and considering myself an enthusiast, I don't "hate" on automatics unconditionally as some people do. I had a Lexus used as a highway commuter and don't see how a manual transmission would have improved it. At some point, depending on the character of the car, it just makes little sense to bother with a manual.

Not a fan of any torque converter semi-automatic gearbox I've used. DSG/SMG/etc are fine, though I'd prefer a conventional manual as I value driving fun under seven (maybe eight) tenths road driving conditions as my highest "want" when selecting a car.



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User currently offlinePlaneWasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

I have automatic transmission and I hate it. The only good thing is that I drive a lot less at high rpms, because it's boring anyway with auto.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2894 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

I grew up driving a stick shift. I miss it sometimes...especially on those lovely snowy days where I could always use the extra control. My last car was an automatic. My current car is a CVT, and I love the feel of it and I operate my car like flying a small plane (a lot of calculations based on RPM). I still miss my stick shift, but with the way traffic is around here I would be burning through a clutch every 18 months LOL!


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User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 7081 times:

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
Automatic Or Manual Shift? 

The car I’m currently driving is a DSG-shift, and I think it’s pretty shitty, mainly because of it’s impossibility to allow a quick and smooth start from stop. I have three options of a start (haven’t tried it with other DSG’s though):

· The slow and smooth one: Release brake, accelerate carefully and let the transmission shift into 2nd, then 'give gas'
· The semi-quick one: Left-foot brake, while releasing accelerate with right foot. As oppsed to releasing and then accelerate
· The quick one: Push a lot with right foot right after releasing brake: Very jerky and feels like the car is giving out

So, I’d vote for the manual shift.
Last week I test drove a VW Passat coupé (officially 'CC', I called it the Passat coupé because it is clearly a Passat and the shape of the roof is coupé-like) with auto and the 2-litre turbo engine and it felt funny: I didn’t manage to feel the power and maneouvring was funny because if I release the brake, the car goes too fast - so I have to hold the brake slightly all the time. With the DSG and manual it’s not the case.

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
The shift pattern is: in and down is 1st, out and up is 2nd, out and down is 3rd and in and up is reverse.

So you’re in reverse gear as photographed, right?

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2):
S-Tronic

If it’s as shitty while starting from a stop as its VW counterparts, I dunno what I should say. But I wouldn’t imagine it were the case - I mean, it’s an Audi after all!!


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 7081 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Hmmm I think the last European car sold with a "three on the tree" tranny was the Ford Anglia Mk 4, build from 62-67.


I don't know the last US car with a "three on the tree". As for pickups some sources say the 1986 Ford F-150 was the last. However I knew a guy with a 86 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup with a 4.3 V-6 that had a "three on the tree". So GM had them just as long.

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 7):
Unfortunately autos dullify the experience on anything lower end, not to mention the increase in fuel consumption (especially on diesels)


I had a 1980 Mercedes-Benz 300TD (station wagon, not a turbo) and it was VERY slow. It would have been much better with a manual trans, but 300Ds didn't have a manual in the USA. I also had a 1972 220D with a four speed. It was slow too, but much more fun to drive.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

Manual all the way for me. The worst manual transmission I've ever used has still been by far better than even a relatively good (if there's such a thing) auto tranny. My last car, a crummy Dodge Neon, was an auto (couldn't find any decent ones with stick so I had to settle). Holy crap I hated that tranny.    The ratios were ridiculously long and it was sloooow to shift (top end speed though was good, if you ever reached it). And predictably like every other Chrysler product I had the tranny literally exploded at 55K miles. So I had to cough up close to $3grand to fix it. I sold it promptly afterwards, luckily at a surprisingly good price.

Anyways, now I got a SEAT Ibiza with 5 speed manual and I'm totally in love. The gear ratios are very closely spaced (RPM drop is low between gears). My only minor complaint is that the top end speed is a bit low for my taste (110ishMPH) but thanks to the short gear ratios the acceleration is excellent and it fits the engine torque range really well so that makes up for it.

There's been very few auto trannys I've liked. The 6 speed auto in my dad's BMW 325i is surprisingly good. The 6 speed tiptronic (non-DSG) in my mom's Jetta isn't too bad either.

The only automatic that has truly blown me away is a dual clutch gearbox. But in reality they are more akin to robotic manuals. I drove a VW R32 with the DSG tranny. The shifting speed is ridiculously fast and amazingly smooth. But they still kill the fun somewhat because of the missing 3rd pedal. But if I HAD to get an "auto" it would have to be a dual clutch box.

Anything with a torque converter and planetary gears though, I avoid like the plague (for the most part).

Quoting pelican (Reply 3):
Because it's more fun?

And more efficient (IF you know how to use it) and more durable, usually faster, makes you a better driver, etc etc


User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 7058 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 17):
makes you a better driver

Sorry mate, as much as I like manual shift and usually agree with you, I won’t be able to believe this. Or agree with it.
The worst driver I know drives stick. He handles driving a stick well, but is nevertheless a horrible driver.
The best driver I know prefers automatic. He finds stick unnecessarily inconvenient.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

The only thing I don't like about my truck is that because it's a stick, its towing capacity is reduced. Not a problem for me, though. Plus, the low gearing helps out a lot (except for reverse.)


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

I don't have a car myself, but when I have one, it MUST have a shift stick and therefore a manual transmission. I want to be in control, not the car. The car should do what I say, not what it wants. Plus, it IS more fun.

Only problem: If the car has a six speed transmission, I would need quite some time to figure out the proper speed for the sixth gear (even on the Autobahn), because the last cars I've driven had all five speeds.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

Stick shifts are definately the way to go. The reasons have been regurgitated many times, and overall they're just better.


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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Learned on a stick, raced with a stick. Love my slushboxes nowadays in the So-Cal area - can't avoid traffic, love that 405.


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User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
Here in the USA most cars are automatics and have been since the 1960s.

One thing I forgot: I was in the USA this week and last week and I must say I saw/heard/found quite a few cars with stick shift. Miami metropolitan and ERAU @ DAB.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19944 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

My first car was an automatic, but my second car was a manual. Unfortunately, every car I've owned since has been an automatic. US manufacturers don't make manuals anymore except for in a few models. It's a real pity.

If those hyper-efficient diesels ever do come to the U.S. you can bet I'll be ordering a manual.

However, I don't think I could enjoy a column shifter. Too awkward and also I can imagine a number of ways in which during a need for some maneuvering where your hands could get in the way of each-other.


25 Post contains images David L : After changing gear manually for over twenty years, I have to agree. Been there, done that, nothing more to prove. I just don't get a thrill out of m
26 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Hmmm, maybe I should've been more specific. Instead of all around better I guess I should've said "more attentive". The worse driver I know also driv
27 Post contains images ajd1992 : I've only ever driven manual and I can only ever imagine using manual. I don't understand how people can not like being completely in control of their
28 Fly2HMO : Of course you can. It's just not nearly as cool sounding or effective.
29 Post contains images ajd1992 : OK, it's just more pointless I will never, ever be a convert to an auto unless my clutch foot can't physically push the pedal down. I think automatic
30 aero145 : Well you’ve got some point there. But about attention: I usually use the cruise control wherever I can. People say, that it could be dangerous beca
31 Sabena332 : VW's DSG or Audi's S-Tronic are switching the gears more economical than every human could do. You can switch the gears by yourself with DSG or S-Tro
32 Post contains images David L : At least on every automatic I've driven and with no clutch it's got to be easier. I felt the same as you do for the first few years I was driving. As
33 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Not in my vehicle (which, according to a South african colleague doesn´t qualify to be called a car, he says that it should be called agricultural m
34 Springbok747 : My car is a manual. I've only owned manual cars...but do get to drive my dad's automatic cars (with 7-g tronic or some such crap)... Manuals are so m
35 ShyFlyer : Auto for me. The way I see it, an automobile is a machine designed to do work on my behalf, why should I have to do part of its job? Hmm..I've never h
36 BMI727 : I've never driven any manual transmission before, though I know fairly well how to do it. I wouldn't let it put me off from buying a car with one any
37 Post contains images StarAC17 : Stick for me, it's become so second nature that I don't really think when I shift anymore. The only place a stick shift sucks is in traffic. It's real
38 Post contains images Sabena332 : And I really hope that a computer will also do the steering for me in a few years. My car can almost do it, I have a lane-assistent. The less I have
39 ScarletHarlot : Two of our cars are manuals (the Porsches), two are automatics (the CLK and the Highlander). The stick shifts are more fun, but there are times when i
40 Goldenshield : True, the sound should give it away, but it's useful for towing.
41 MD-90 : On a truck or van, automatic. In lots of stop and go traffic, automatic. Everything else, manual. When my sister and I were driving in New Orleans las
42 IH8BY : The car I drive, when I drive, has a 5-speed manual gearbox. I don't have any particular love for the gearbox in the Fabia - it's sometimes quite diff
43 Post contains images aerorobnz : manual ftw. automatics are killing the environment with their extra weight/fuel consumption over the equivalent manuals... If everyone drove manuals t
44 Fly2HMO : Let me be more specific: engine braking is not as effective in traditional automatics (those with hydraulic torque converters and planetary gears). D
45 Post contains images cpd : And much slower! No doubt about it, the twin-clutch transmissions are the very best system these days. Shame it took so long for them to appear in no
46 Post contains images LTU932 : But for me that's the real challenge, and that's where the fun begins (especially in a hairpin in the middle of the Alps ). I want to improve on that
47 Post contains images Sabena332 : Same here, but then came: Patrick
48 Post contains images aero145 : Ok, agreed. -- Patrick, I’m not sure if you would like the 7G very much, it’s still an auto box with a Wandler.
49 KevinL1011 : I agree with Fly2HMO on this one. Driving a stick requires the driver to think about driving conditions and anticipate the next move or gear selectio
50 photopilot : Uh..... because we humans are smarter than a silicone chip. A real stick driver doesn't need the clutch either except to get away from a complete sto
51 Post contains images Fly2HMO : And you'll destroy the syncros in no time if you keep shifting without the clutch However, I do heel-toe shifting, but doing a single clutch, double
52 WildcatYXU : Manual all the way. Both vehicles we operate now are manuals. The '09 Altima has a six speed tranny, the '95 F150 has a 5 speed tranny. The third veh
53 mirrodie : What are you considering? While I get it, sometimes I wish there were more manuals out there.....maybe people would have less distractions with phone
54 KevinL1011 : As far as knowing when to shift, we humans aren't always smarter than a silicone chip (actually the program within). I'd say that 90% of drivers don'
55 Post contains images pelican : As WildcatYXU put it: Who cares? Isn't hilly terrain the place where a manual is the most fun to drive? pelican
56 Springbok747 : Yes.but you gotta watch out who's behind though..my sister's new Golf (it was a week old then) was hit when the pick-up in front rolled back onto her
57 ScarletHarlot : Hilly terrain with traffic lights and arseholes who creep up on your bumper can be quite stressful.
58 Flight152 : Not if you have a BMW with the 'hill holder' function where the car automatically holds the brakes for 2-3 seconds till the clutch is engaged, saving
59 MD-90 : If someone's right on my tail on a steep incline I use a bit of parking brake.
60 Molykote : Coordinating the hand brake gives the same effect. Though drifting backwards into a car never really bothers me as a likely possibility, the techniqu
61 KevinL1011 : Subaru has had this feature since the '70's.
62 KiwiRob : What utter rubbish, that was the case a decade ago but now most modern automatics give better fuel consumption than manual tranmission cars, they are
63 Post contains images N1120A : Manual and only manual. I have not driven an automatic car regularly since 1998 and will never unless I physically cannot. No, its a real masochist's
64 pelican : Sounds more like you have to watch who is in front of you, don't you think? That's were the handbrake becomes very useful. Until I went on a holiday
65 CXB77L : I prefer driving a manual. It's more fun. I haven't owned a manual car since I sold my first car more than 10 years ago, now. These days, I rarely get
66 TSS : Then in that respect, Birmingham, Alabama might well be the land of your dreams. Absolutely, if for no other reason than a floor-mounted shifter wast
67 andz : The last automatic I "owned" was my mother's 1974 Ford Granada which had an awful 3 speed box. Since then, every car I have owned, from my Escort XR-3
68 idealstandard : Those are all toys. The fact is an auto won't engine brake on a steep hill nearly as effectively as you can get with a manual. Hmm...but they are soo
69 Superfly : Manual is great for sports cars, economy cars and pick up trucks. For luxury cars, sedans, coupes and station wagons I perfer automatic.
70 Post contains images WildcatYXU : This is only the shifting itself and even then, with all due respect I seriously doubt this number. But even if this number is correct, the whole pro
71 aerobalance : Fortunately, I have zero debt, I work 6 hours a day max when not on multiple projects, I'm so far ahead I can retire now. An automatic transmission,
72 Sabena332 : Indeed! There is no acceleration break when the DSG/PDK/S-Tronic is shifting. Apparently not, as I wrote above, the DSG/S-Tronic is shifting more eco
73 Aesma : Manual for me. I've never even driven an auto. I drove a few times a clutchless manual (Twingo easy), it was quite a strange experience. I guess I cou
74 MD-90 : If modern cars with automatics get better gas mileage than the same model with a stick it's because of two things: 1. The automatic has taller gear r
75 KiwiRob : you also forgot to ad it gets better mpg as well!
76 Post contains images PlaneHunter : I once said the same...before I got the 7G DSG. That's what I say about the DSG. I have never had as much fun as with DSG. PH
77 Post contains images photopilot : :D[Edited 2010-10-24 12:21:23]
78 Aesma : That's all great, but it lacks the most crucial thing : it doesn't know what the driver wants ! And even less what the driver will do in the future,
79 directorguy : I drive an automatic =) I drove for the very first time when I was maybe10 on a manual, but the experience was terrible-I felt overwhelmed and didn't
80 Post contains links mirrodie : OMG, I just remembered the last manual I drove that I owned.... in college. Say it with me, chick magnet.... Toyota Tercel wagon, manual with a 2nd st
81 MrChips : I don't know if I want to live in your world - it seems boring. Even though I drive almost 25,000 km per year, almost entirely within the city, I wou
82 Sabena332 : It is not boring, it is comfortable. I drive at least the double amount of kilometers every year. No, here in Germany we have 85% manual cars and a l
83 Post contains images KevinL1011 : You make it sound like it's the car manufacturers fault. I can engine brake with my Ford C-6 auto trans to the point of locking up the rear wheels. S
84 Post contains links and images gsoshutout55 : 2008 Mustang GT 5 Speed Manual
85 Post contains images cpd : And on the flip side, compare the 911 Turbo PDK against the 911 Turbo 6 speed manual. The PDK Turbo is faster and more economical. Same also on the p
86 WildcatYXU : Well, the Nissan GTR's tranny needs 200 ms to complete an upshift, the Ferrari Enzo does the same in 150 ms, so I still doubt that your everyday Hydr
87 cpd : And the SLS AMG twin-clutch unit takes 100ms to shift gears. If SLS had the standard Benz 7G-Tronic automatic, it'd be just another big heavy Benz gr
88 MD-90 : After seeing my parents sink $3000 into their Grand Caravan to replace the transmission when it failed the first time at 130K miles, I would be highl
89 KevinL1011 : Do you know if those trannys are planetary gears or linear? It makes a difference. I'm looking for the figures re: shift times and I'm thinking now i
90 Post contains images WildcatYXU : And the Ferrari F430 Scuderia can do it in 60 ms. But you missed the point here - Kevin is trying to convince me that your run of the mill Hydra Mati
91 WildcatYXU : I don't know the technical details. This is exactly the question, how much is this slip. Which is absolutely true for accelerating from standstill. H
92 Post contains images KevinL1011 : I did find that the DSG (which is a linear) can upshift in 60ms. This is high $ stuff and it should outshift my beloved Hydromatic. Anywhere from .5s
93 BMI727 : You'd think that a million dollars could buy you some more weight reduction, but I guess not.
94 cpd : That idea actually dates back to pre-WW2 times, from a French engineer. I'm can't quite recall what my original meaning was. But I do note that the c
95 N1120A : Of course it isn't. The tests are made too easy and not set up for real world driving. To complicate things, when they tried to retro-rate cars for "
96 cpd : Tell me how fast a McLaren does 0-400km/h. Then tell me how fast a Veyron does 0-400km/h. Then, tell me how fast each does 0-320km/h (200mph). In fac
97 LOT767-300ER : Quit arguing about acceleration rates, RWD and a twin turbo pushrod V10 eat such delicacies as the Veyron for breakfast when you press the gas pedal f
98 WildcatYXU : Yes, that's what I meant. Actually, it's slightly above 1 mil Euros. Easy. You have mentioned the Veyron as a fast car and you mentioned the DSG as i
99 Post contains links and images cpd : With the way modern ones are, for everyday use in most ordinary cars, there is little point in the manual transmission. So I agree completely in that
100 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Too bad a riced out Viper will be spitting those pushrods out the exhaust after 1000 miles. Not very practical now is it?
101 LOT767-300ER : No, but If you want to take that to the next level and discuss we can talk about who is stupid enough to buy a strengthened transmission and engine f
102 vikkyvik : A bit late to this thread, but anyway... Mazda 3 S with 6-speed manual. Yep. When I bought the car, it was basically the only sport-version 6-speed ma
103 MD-90 : I had to have my 3 delivered from Atlanta to Huntsville because they couldn't find one closer. And allegedly the dealer couldn't find one at all in r
104 falstaff : I bet that thing was slow... I had a buddy with a 1986 Honda Civic Wagon 4x4, that thing was worthless! Those minivans are always going through trans
105 TSS : What he said! There was a period when every time I jacked up a Chrysler minivan with over 80,000 miles on it I could pretty well count on seeing a sh
106 Post contains links PHLBOS : Chevy offered a 3-on-the tree in its full-size B-Body BelAir as late as 1973. One was recently posted on eBay (under completed items) from Cherry Hil
107 lewis : I grew up driving a shift in Europe but have been driving an automatic Jetta since I moved in the US. Although I prefer manual for the control it give
108 falstaff : I didn't think anyone else remembered those. I think those are extinct, I only saw one once. I think they could go as fast in reverse as they could f
109 Post contains images KevinL1011 : I remember working on a 1990 C-1500 pickup that had a 3 on the tree. Would you believe that this awesome '67 Bonneville with a 421cid had a manual 4
110 Post contains images PHLBOS : Kev, the key phrase in Falstaff's question was the last US CAR w/a 3-on-the-tree. Nonetheless, I'm a bit surprised that Chevy/GMC still offered a 3-o
111 Post contains images WildcatYXU : [ I'm afraid it comes with the age Now that's something I want for Christmas
112 Post contains images Springbok747 : Nice car! I would do anything to drive that here in Oz! We have used GTs selling for close to $200,000 ..wish Ford would sell them here.
113 KevinL1011 : Yeah, It was a fleet truck owned by a school district. They had six of them. As you said, it was what we used to call "the new body" because it didn'
114 MrChips : I've driven in Germany in the last couple of years, and I can tell you that while there are a number of people using cellphones in their cars, it's n
115 Sabena332 : Ok, I believe that the situation is really bad in Canada. Patrick
116 Post contains links and images ajd1992 : I'm a young driver too - passed at 17 in March, and I'm only 18 by 3 and a half months. Nothing better than having complete control and being able to
117 MD-90 : People who ride their brakes are just ignorant. I don't disagree that if it's a long downhill grade (few of those here in AL/MS) it's a good idea to
118 falstaff : But GM kept making the old body style for a few more years in the R, G, V, and P body truck.
119 KevinL1011 : I think the G body is a van. The 3 on the tree I was telling PHLBOS about was a "new body" (in the late '90's) with a 4.3 V6, manual trans, no AC, no
120 Post contains images Ken777 : I learned to drive on my Father's TR-3 and enjoyed that manual a lot - to say the least. My first car was a BMW 2002 (1st year BMW was in the US) and
121 KiwiRob : So you like the Bristol Fighter?
122 TheCommodore : Fun ? Try driving around the city , your lucky if you can get it into 2nd gear. That's not what I call fun, that's a pain in the ass is what it is. G
123 idealstandard : Don't knock it till you've tried it. Who said you can't rev hard in an auto? ha!
124 aerorobnz : You mean you don't have them on your everyday car?? Tyres like that are great for turning each commute into an excuse for having fun...
125 LOT767-300ER : Love them, have 3 of them. One hot pink, other neon yellow and third black on black.
126 Post contains images ajd1992 : Manual is just more fun though. I will be honest, I hate driving in stop/go traffic as much as the next guy, but when you get on the open road it is
127 vikkyvik : Can you do it in the same way you do it in a manual? Push the clutch in, rev the engine, let the clutch out, i.e. revving the engine before you trans
128 LOT767-300ER : Love the exaggeration. What kind of an automatic jumps forward? Automatics slowly gain momentum if you let off the brake. You wont hit a car by just
129 vikkyvik : Dude, relax. I'm not sitting here trying to paint automatics as the devil's machines or anything. MOVES forward. Happy? Doesn't change the fact that
130 Larshjort : Manual for me in my Fiesta. My mom had on of the last of the previous Bora/Jetta Wagon, a us model which came to late for the ferry with a 2.0 and aut
131 StuckInCA : I currently own one car with a manual transmission and one with an automatic. Which is preferable is NOT a simple question. Quality of the transmissio
132 MasterBean : I driver my mum's Fiesta 1.25 which has a 5 speed manual gearbox. Yanks say that 120bhp in their Fiesta is a small amount of hp but compared to 82, it
133 JAGflyer : Automatic driver here. I don't understand the draw towards manual that makes people think they are so superior to those who drive automatics. Sure, ma
134 Post contains images TheCommodore : Don't forget those blabbering away on the phone.
135 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : So says a Seat driver.
136 MrChips : Sorry, but that is incorrect. Yes, a manual transmission is more thought-intensive than an automatic, but any effort you are putting towards shifting
137 LOT767-300ER : Essentially the motto of the most annoying car maker when it comes to this argument: Mercedes Benz. "You turn the wheel, we will do everything else e
138 aero145 : That’s what the 'N' setting on the gear selector is for. I use it all the time. And if the car rolls I use the handbrake. And, depending on the car
139 vikkyvik : True, and fair enough. In my experience with the automatics I've driven, I don't always hit the gear selection I'm looking for; i.e. if I'm shifting
140 Fly2HMO : I'm not ashamed one bit. Never had problems with any VW group cars. Can't say the same of any American/Asian turds on wheels I've ever owned/driven.
141 falstaff : I was looking at the factory 1989 Chevy C/K truck manual today (the paper manual) and under the steering column section there was a list of parts wit
142 KevinL1011 : These school district trucks were like military or gov. issue vehicles. When I was in trade school, we had ex-military vehicles that were donated for
143 pelican : Living in the second biggest metropolitan area of Germany, I've no problems with my manual in stop and go traffic. Sure it's not fun, but I doubt it
144 RayChuang : Manuals may be fun, but the increasingly poor quality of shifters are killing the fun of using them. It seems only BMW, Honda and Porsche have a clue
145 WildcatYXU : The old, cynical me would say: all the doppelkupplung did was opening up the market for those who can afford a Porsche, but couldn't drive it.
146 RayChuang : Interesting you mention that because a number of automotive magazines who've tested Porsches with PDK noted the car ended up being faster than the co
147 KiwiRob : The transmission in the Maserati is the same transmission as in most Ferreris today, it's one of the best transmissions in the world, bugger all peop
148 WildcatYXU : And probably the automotive journalists testing the cars are the only ones who give a damn...OK, there is another group. The sales reps who try to se
149 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Well duh. But the mid-life crisis type of people that buy these things don't give a rats ass. All they care about is the Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo/Aston,
150 WildcatYXU : Well written. I couldn't write it, since i'm in the right "midlife crisis" age. Unfortunately, with one kid in university and the next coming soon to
151 N1120A : That isn't just a minivan problem. All FWD automatics are garbage. The difference is that a Chrysler or Ford will last 60-80k miles and a Toyota or H
152 KiwiRob : A lot of that is taxes and the cost of moving the steering wheel to the correct side of the car. That was the E46, in the E9X M3 the SMG version is f
153 aerorobnz : Renaultsport are not notchy at all.... As far as drivers cars they're ace...
154 ajd1992 : Not too sure - I've never seen it, but I do know from 91 or 92 every team (even the poorer teams like Footwork) used the semi-auto paddle shift boxes
155 Post contains images Molykote : My Lexus transmission lasted for just over 128k. Must have been a better than average example My coworker's family had a 1990s Chrysler minivan with
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