RamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1083 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2661 times:
What, you mean like a "Macaholics Anonymous" or "Steve-Jobs-has-my-life-savings support group?"
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Where, exactly, do you need to go? You've got multiple cell phones and mp3 players and a laptop. Just stay the hell away from electronics stores altogether!
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9917 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2587 times:
I like Macs because of the lower risk of computer viruses. I simply can not afford one, so I have a Compaq running Windows. If more web sites and equipment ran Linux, I would gladly switch. I hate Windows, but there is nothing I can do about that, it seems. In the mean time, I refuse to give my meager earnings to Apple; I do not own an iPhone, iPad, iPod, iTunes, iSpeakers, iCar, iBike, iFood, iGlasses.... Besides, if a company does not know the proper use of capitalization, they do not deserve my money!
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5476 posts, RR: 20 Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
How do so many people get viruses? I've never gotten a virus on my PC. It's probably a good idea just to stay away from downloading torrents.
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9917 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2560 times:
Quoting Continental (Reply 3): How do so many people get viruses? I've never gotten a virus on my PC. It's probably a good idea just to stay away from downloading torrents.
I never understood that, either. I visit the same 10 web sites and open e-mail from only friends and family I know. The only torrents I download are from the music sharing service. Even that has an option to download only music or all files (which would include viruses, I would imagine) so I don't know how viruses are transmitted....
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2503 times:
I don't think you took a "sip" from the Kool-Aid, you took a gulp!
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."
Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1934 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2447 times:
Been a Mac user for 15 years and I'm quitting the Kool-aid. There's something phenomenally dreary about the Mac these days. The next OS seems to be poised to make the Mac like a huge iPad or something.
Actually I'd still consider myself firmly in the Mac camp if it wasn't for Windows 7 which is pretty darn good - and Mac OS hasn't improved for years.
Nothing wrong with an iPod or anything, but the Macintosh is dead.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14411 posts, RR: 26 Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2416 times:
Quoting aloges (Reply 9): It'd be sad if anyone actually took that seriously.
Yeah, YouTube wouldn't have nearly as many cute yet useless videos and blogging about proper care for dreadlocks or the new eco-friendly sitar you friend in the indie band invented would be all but impossible.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8394 posts, RR: 47 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2389 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10): YouTube wouldn't have nearly as many cute yet useless videos and blogging about proper care for dreadlocks or the new eco-friendly sitar you friend in the indie band invented would be all but impossible.
You think that's what Mac users do?
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20902 posts, RR: 55 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2384 times:
Quoting Asturias (Reply 8): Been a Mac user for 15 years and I'm quitting the Kool-aid. There's something phenomenally dreary about the Mac these days. The next OS seems to be poised to make the Mac like a huge iPad or something.
If you want, you will be able to get software for the Mac easier than before. If you don't, nothing changes in that regard.
And we haven't seen any of the technical info on 10.7 Lion yet – just a limited glimpse at parts of the user interface.
10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard have also provided quite substantial upgrades, much of them under the hood.
Jump ship if you want – just don't do it for imaginary reasons.
Quoting Asturias (Reply 8): Nothing wrong with an iPod or anything, but the Macintosh is dead.
mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7422 posts, RR: 65 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2374 times:
And wifey is at the Apple store right now getting a program.
Got my first Apple product almost 2 years ago, a Macbook pro. I like if b/c I simply have not had issues ass I had with Dell.
You pay a premium but its worth it IMHO.
Anyway,
if you need
Quoting greasespot (Thread starter): Macbook , Ipad , Shuffle ,Ipod Nano, and now the iPhone 4,.
, then you need it.
Quite frankly, I have my Macbook pro at home, I have all day computer access in the office as well. So I am REALLY hardpressed to get an iPhone, Nano, Shuffle or iPad. I can't find any real use for them.
I think I want an iPad but not sure for what.....odd, isnt it?
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Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20902 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2349 times:
Quoting mirrodie (Reply 14): I think I want an iPad but not sure for what.....odd, isnt it?
Not at all. I would not have seen a really pressing need to get one either, but now that I've got it I use it quite frequently and would indeed miss it if it was gone.
Your mileage will probably vary, but I would recommend taking a closer look only if purchasing one would not be a problem for you...
mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7422 posts, RR: 65 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2342 times:
Perhaps around the holidays. I can see it being used in my office with patient care. But overall, Im sort of a less is more kinda guy.
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Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1934 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2294 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 12): If you want, you will be able to get software for the Mac easier than before. If you don't, nothing changes in that regard.
I wasn't referring to the Mac App Store (which is really a feature of Snow Leopard, rather than Lion it seems... ) but the iOS interface that seems to be the 'thing' these days. It's not Mac.. it's iPad.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 12): And we haven't seen any of the technical info on 10.7 Lion yet – just a limited glimpse at parts of the user interface.
True, but it was shown for a reason. To prepare the crowd that there will be iOS-ish changes aplenty in Lion. By the way, did they ever say it was supposed to be 10.7? Lion could be OS 11 for all we know.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 12): 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard have also provided quite substantial upgrades, much of them under the hood.
So they tell us and I'm fine with that. The iOS-ification of Mac OS, that's cheap. And uninspired.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 12): Jump ship if you want – just don't do it for imaginary reasons.
Haha yes of course I'll 'jump ship' if I want, but I won't if the Mac stays the Mac. It's my favorite platform, but it seems to be changing into something I don't really recognize. Well I do recognize it, but only from a portable music player with a tiny screen.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 12): Hm. Mine don't even smell yet...!
Snow Leopard is still 'Macintosh', but Lion will perhaps be more something else and less Macintosh. When I don't even recongnize the Mac anymore, that's when I'll 'jump ship'. That seems to be: Mac OS Lion.
At least until we know more. A damn shame, despite being somewhat pricey and sometimes underpowered, the Mac was always a joy to use and work with. Now, I hesitate to say this, but it's more true now than ever: Windows 7 is probably just as nice to use as the Mac OS X.
aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8394 posts, RR: 47 Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2277 times:
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 17): The sad thing is..that picture Fly2hmo posted is completely true.
Nothing about it is, not even remotely.
Step 1: I can replace the HDD and RAM in my MBP if I wish to, and the optical drive as well if the manufacturer chooses to provide a driver or one is written by the Mac community. I was also able to choose from various screen sizes and CPUs when I ordered the laptop.
Step 2: The picture on the Mac side isn't even of the actual system preferences panel. Next.
Step 3: Nice... a desktop PC vs. a laptop Mac - same as above, apples and oranges (pun fully intended).
Step 4: This desktop vs. laptop thing is really getting old... and my MBP has never been inside a Starbucks either.
Step 5: *yawn* It's good to see that the 15 y/o macho wannabes who made this picture have more fun smacking a CRT monitor into someones face than they have making something useful out of an old 1st gen iMac.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1934 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4): You sir, require prompt treatment. Please read the following 10 times, from top to bottom and bottom to top:
The 1st step is correct, you'll always be able to piece together better hardware on the Wintel than a Mac and Windows supports a much wider variety of things than Mac ever has or will. Windows PC wins!
The 2nd step is debatable, seeing as you'd need a lot more 'control' on Windows since there are a lot more things that need adjusting etc. I'd actually say that if you know what you're doing on a Mac, you can adjust and fine tune a lot of things. They are hidden, but they're there. Windows is just more user-friendly in this regard. A draw between Mac and PC!
The 3rd step is correct in most cases because Macs are mostly mobile or use mobile design. Everything except the Mac Pro uses some sort of a mobile motherboard, which means everything is soldered on and hard to reach. In effect, if a Mac fails, the entire machine must be replaced. Sure the HD can be replaced (except on the iMac unless you have a workshop at home) and perhaps the RAM if it isn't soldered on. But in all other cases, replacement is the only viable way to 'repair'. Of course this applies just the same to PC mobiles. So by a thin margin, the Windows PC wins this one (because Mac Pros are so rare it's almost mythical so they don't really count)
The 4th step is pretty much the same as the third step. If you have a PC laptop, you could just as well have a Mac. Neither one is easy to upgrade, save for some RAM and HD perhaps (of course the MacBook Air is completely useless in this regard) so again because Windows PC tower still exist in some numbers, the PC wins again!
The 5th step.. well Apple may think they're really environmentally friendly, but seeing as almost every single design that comes from Cupertino needs to be thrown away if it breaks or outlives its purpose, I don't see it as being environmental. The most ecological person would buy a Windows/Linux PC tower and maintain it over far longer than any Mac is designed to be maintained. A win for PC
All in all, that list is somewhat heavily biased towards the PC, but it does highlight the fact that the Mac OS prides itself to be the lowest common denominator and the Mac hardware is closed and non-replaceable. Not very environmental.
Fly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
Um, Greasespot is not a "Sir". I´d say, that in her official position as a Canadian police officer she´d prefer to be called "Madam".
Oh dammit I always forget she's one of the ladies here. My bad.
Quoting aloges (Reply 19):
Step 5: *yawn* It's good to see that the 15 y/o macho wannabes who made this picture have more fun smacking a CRT monitor into someones face than they have making something useful out of an old 1st gen iMac.
cpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 44 Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2180 times:
I don't get all this Mac -v- PC hatred. They are machines to get the job done.
Mac running Windows and Mac OS is the best of both worlds for me. Although I use both Mac and PC. I have no preferences - except that I prefer to avoid old Windows XP 32bit.
We had one at work (older model iMac) that did have a failure. They came out and fixed it promptly on the same day. The failed part was replaced and then the whole thing was up and running again very quickly.
Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1934 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2180 times:
Quoting cpd (Reply 22): We had one at work (older model iMac) that did have a failure. They came out and fixed it promptly on the same day. Just the failed part (the video card by ATI) was replaced and then the whole thing was up and running again very quickly.
There is no video card in an iMac, so the entire motherboard was replaced. Which is so expensive for us mere mortals that replacing the iMac is the only viable option.
I had an 2006 20" iMac and the video chips failed (randomly produced strange lines and froze the Mac) and the repair cost at an Apple certified repair shop was 800 euro. A new similar iMac is only a little over 1000.
cpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 44 Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
Quoting Asturias (Reply 23): There is no video card in an iMac, so the entire motherboard was replaced.
Oh, pick at the details then. I give up. I should learn, I must spent two hours writing fine print and terms and conditions at the end of my message in order to prevent you people picking at the details.
And speaking of your quote, that's not quite an absolute, or quite correct for that matter. After having checked, it wasn't the version of iMac I expected - but one where the card can be replaced. I can point you to a step by step article showing how it is done.
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25 Klaus: As for ecological impact, recent investigations have indeed confirmed that there is exactly one manufacturer which has made major progress on avoidanc
26 Asturias: Well that 'detail' was rather important for me, since it cost me an entire computer instead of just a relatively cheap video card. Hence my critical
27 Klaus: Sorry, but that is patently wrong. Check out the ifixit teardowns if you don't believe it.
29 Asturias: Energy, transport, packaging etc. with every new Mac is a huge part of the environmental impact, so while I don't disagree that Apple has improved a
30 Ken777: Their Mac lines had a 28% sales increase last quarter - how did the PC world do, even with Win 7 to help boost sales? That's a good enough reason. My
31 Asturias: I meant the Macintosh as we know it. The sales are fine, in fact better than fine. Normally that would make me a happy man, but now I'm not sure. Gra
32 WildcatYXU: Not as bad as Windows vs Linux hatred... Why? I dare to say many people spent this year more on booze than you spent on technology. So all I can say
33 Fly2HMO: I wouldn't call it hatred, IMO. Maybe fear. From my experience, Linux is very well respected even by hardcore Windows guys. Personally the only thing
34 cpd: I use it for selected purposes. It's great for recovering data from failed Lacie external network storage (where the OS on the drive has failed). Tak
35 ALTF4: Don't take this as a sleight to you; you were just the only one I saw that posted this common argument. I always chuckle at statements like this, bec
36 WildcatYXU: Funny, we use it for the same purpose. I'm writing "we", because I'm not doing it personally anymore - our youngest son is doing it. I can't really u
37 Ken777: I've given up drinking so I could buy more stuff at the Apple Store. I just wish I had been able to have all this stuff when in high school instead o
38 ALTF4: Did you read beyond that first sentence? I agree with most of what you said, but see what I wrote (included below): To expound on that, I don't think
39 Klaus: Apple has no monopoly in the PC market, so anti-trust remedies are just not applicable. Microsoft effectively had a monopoly position in the PC OS ma
40 Ken777: I did, but I approached the situation from an Apple wide view. When it comes to the AppStore for OS X I believe that there will be several approaches
41 ALTF4: Thanks for the replies, Klaus and Ken. Going forward, though - it seems to be that Apple, whether they can help it or not, might start emerging as a m
42 Klaus: Oh, that old chestnut again! We could argue endlessly about theoretical threats (particularly about vulnerabilities in Unix services hardly any layma
43 Klaus: I think the price gap between low-grade PCs and Macs has still increased since the low-end prices have dropped even more than the high end (both at A
44 ALTF4: The fact of the matter is, I work in the information security field. I have seen and worked with non-public vulnerabilities in OS X that were reporte
45 ALTF4: We're talking about college freshman - certainly some of them drop out, so college-educated (as in, graduated) is not totally correct. 70% of U.S. Hi
46 Ken777: Apple has already emerged as a more prominent player in their various markets - which is why they are more valuable than any other tech company in th
47 cpd: What exactly will populate this "App Store"? I can't imagine something like an Adobe CS5 Master Collection being delivered via this method online, it
48 WildcatYXU: OK, I guess I misunderstood you. I'm using Linux to recover data from crashed NTFS HDD's that Windows isn't even able to detect.
49 ALTF4: Probably mainly some smaller apps and a lot of free ones, assuming Apple allows free ones for, well, free. There are plenty of open source applicatio
50 Ken777: One interesting article on Apple that I just finished reading: "Four Predictions for Apple" http://seekingalpha.com/article/232086-four-predictions-fo
51 ALTF4: Interesting article - thanks for the link. Looks like I'm not alone in my crazy ideas of them growing.
53 asuflyer05: What you really need is to add a 27" iMac to your collection.
54 greasespot: ooohhhhh Yes I do...I mean yes you do....damn this is not helping..... Actually a desktop is not appealing to me and I will probably never buy one ag
55 PC12Fan: I'll admit it, I'm on the apple kool aid fix, but I have a reason to be. Had a Mac for almost three years and it hasn't even locked up on me once. Can
56 cpd: A 27" iMac will change your mind. Amazing machine, especially with 8gb or more ram. The screen on it is unreal. And it takes next to nothing in the w
57 greasespot: I surf the internet and use office that is it for when it comes to computers.. No desk top as I like to use my Mac on the couch or in bed. I do not ev
58 IMissPiedmont: Yep, you need help. The Macbook I understand, the Ipad looks a bit silly though I've never seen one, the Shuffle (what is that?), Ipod nano doesn't h
59 greasespot: Well the shuffle is a very small 2 gb iPod that I use hiking and backpacking. The nano is perfectly y sized for running with. I never run any where wh
60 Garpd: I damn near snorted Pepsi all over my keyboard and monitor when I read that. LOL!! Good find!
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