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Sony Finally Ends Production Of The Walkman  
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Well it is officially official, Sony has finally ended production of the cassette Walkman after 31 years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1...ny-cassette-walkman-_n_772973.html

Though the article mentions that they will continued to be produced under license in China and southeast Asia for local markets.


I remember having one, some no-name knock off bought at KMart for 30 bucks sometime in the late 80s. I don't remember when I finally got rid of it, but it lasted for a long long time. The great thing about the cassette based Walkman, vs. a Discman, was that the battery life was a fair bit better on a pair of AAs and you didn't have to worry about skipping. By contrast my portable CD player had a shorter useful tenure in my life than the Walkman did.

On a less nostalgic note it is odd that Sony failed in moving towards a digital/mp3 based portable audio player. Given the brand equity they had with the Walkman and Discman, the technical know how and the fact they also own a huge music label that they lost out to Apple.


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
cassette

Huh?  
Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
Though the article mentions that they will continued to be produced under license in China and southeast Asia for local markets.

Would make sense, though I must say I don't see it lasting all that much longer there either...with the increasing income in both areas, MP3 players are quickly making cassettes a thing of the past as well.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Me and my sisters got 1 Sony Walkman Christmas 1979.
All 3 of us were to share it.
That didn't go over well.   
It was made of nice quality and it came in a leather case.

Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
they will continued to be produced under license in China and southeast Asia for local markets.

Glad to hear that since I now live in Thailand but I have no idea where to buy one here. There is no older technology here at all. Went shopping for a VCR and salesreps at the stores thought I was nuts. Older technology dies faster here than in the US. The only exception being the LaserDisc.
Many of the cars here still cassette players.

Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
On a less nostalgic note it is odd that Sony failed in moving towards a digital/mp3 based portable audio player. Given the brand equity they had with the Walkman and Discman, the technical know how and the fact they also own a huge music label that they lost out to Apple.

Sony really should have called their new mp3 Walkman the 'Digital Man'.
That way all of their portables would have their own name to identify with.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21478 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
Well it is officially official, Sony has finally ended production of the cassette Walkman after 31 years.

It's had an amazing run in any case.

I don't miss its hunger for batteries, low medium capacity and various analog quirks and limitations, but it was okay for its day.

Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
On a less nostalgic note it is odd that Sony failed in moving towards a digital/mp3 based portable audio player. Given the brand equity they had with the Walkman and Discman, the technical know how and the fact they also own a huge music label that they lost out to Apple.

The "Discman" brand never really got anywhere – the "Walkman" brand was emblematic in its day, but it also stuck to the 1980s. I think among many other mistakes they made, trying to revive that brand instead of creating a fresh one was one of the major ones.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 1):
Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
cassette

Huh?

That's been the official name:

Compact Cassette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27031 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
I remember having one, some no-name knock off bought at KMart for 30 bucks sometime in the late 80s.

Yeah same here my Dad didnt want us to have them but my Mum got them for my Sister and myself , was a ripp off make called ALBA , didnt last that long though lol...End of an era for sure. Wont miss the chewed up tapes though  


User currently offlinekent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

I got into the walkman fairly late, with a WM10 in 1983 - the one that ran on a single AA battery and folded to the size of a cassette case. But it was fragile, and the design meant that, after a while, you didn't get constant contact with the heads. Had sevaral of various brands over the years but, funnily, never a portable CD player. Not sure why, given I'm now onto my 4th ipod.

I was surprised to see that they were still making the things - haven't been sold in Australia for ages. Now, off to ebay to pic a up a cassette deck for the few I still own before all the player disappear....


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

I bought mine in 1984 - still have it, still works, still listen to the one tape I bought that same day.

BTW - I feel like the weight is the same as my macbook



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3775 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Thread starter):
On a less nostalgic note it is odd that Sony failed in moving towards a digital/mp3 based portable audio player. Given the brand equity they had with the Walkman and Discman, the technical know how and the fact they also own a huge music label that they lost out to Apple.

I thought SonyEricsson was carrying over the 'Walkman' brand now, a well as pretty much being Sony's digital media player line of products, even if they're phones...




Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineJA54123 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 137 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...551&storeId=10151&categoryId=16178

Uhm guys, the sony MP3 players are all selling well as "Walkmans"



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Quoting JA54123 (Reply 8):
Uhm guys, the sony MP3 players are all selling well as "Walkmans"



You wouldn't understand, it's a Texas Thang!

I already pointed that out in reply #2.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21478 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting JA54123 (Reply 8):
Uhm guys, the sony MP3 players are all selling well as "Walkmans"

What's your definition of "selling well"? What's their market share?


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
Quoting JA54123 (Reply 8):
Uhm guys, the sony MP3 players are all selling well as "Walkmans"

What's your definition of "selling well"? What's their market share?

The simple fact that Apple and their iPod, with no prior presence in the portable audio market is by far the dominate player represents a huge failure on the part of Sony.



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User currently offlinekent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Rumours today that Apple is seeking to acquire Sony....

User currently offlinemarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1799 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Sony failed to jump on the mp3 bandwagon....I have a sony digital walkman from the early 2000's that plays a format called ATRAC4 that Sony used at that time, and I sometimes have problems playing regular mp3's.....if I convert a CD to ATRAC4 and then replay it in my home system it sounds way better (like 99.99% of consumers I have an untrained ear) than the same CD in mp3 format from the ipod we have.

This is basically the same thing that happened to Sony back in the days of the Betamax and VHS wars, Sony had the better technology but failed to market it properly.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
The "Discman" brand never really got anywhere – the "Walkman" brand was emblematic in its day,




Mainly because the Discman would skip, especially the early models.
With a cassette walkman, you can go exercise with the tape playing and not worry about the music skipping.
You could of course make your own mix tape of your favorite songs. Not every CD is filled with great songs that you want to hear.
Discmans were more expensive as well.
I remember Sony had a Discman that was almost $400.00!  Wow!
It was intended to play in the car and had a remote control.
It was the D822-K model.
One cool feature was you could chose green or amber lighting displays to match the lights on your car's instrument panel.
If you bought this with the Good Guys or Circuit City 3 year service agreement, it could cost you as much as $600.00!
It even had true surround sound for when you connected to a preamp / receiver.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Sony-D822-K-Car-Discman-Teardown/1197/1



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User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

In 1986 I studied at the University Vienna for a year. I took my Walkman (bought in 1985) along with about 50 cassettes with me. During the year I spent many hours listening to it while travelling all over Europe on my Eurail pass. What great memories. I still have the Walkman in a box stored away somewhere. I wonder If its worth anything?


A330 man.
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

The best thing about the Walkman: no more people lugging around big "boomboxes" and annoying the whole neighborhood playing that boom box at high volume.

But I will miss the cassette-based Walkman, though. The idea behind behind the Walkman evolved into the portable media player that stored music on flash memory or hard drives--a concept that Apple really made wildly popular with the introduction of the iPod in 2001.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 16):
The best thing about the Walkman: no more people lugging around big "boomboxes" and annoying the whole neighborhood playing that boom box at high volume.

  
Well said!

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 16):
The idea behind behind the Walkman evolved into the portable media player that stored music on flash memory or hard drives--a concept that Apple really made wildly popular with the introduction of the iPod in 2001.

Actually that award belongs to the 8track tape cartridge.
The 8track tape was the first portable audio format and it started in the automobile, yatchs and private jets in the mid 1960s.
Here is the first portable and it had it's own headphone jack.




Us serious audiophiles never took the walkman or any portable seriously. My question is, was there ever a walkmand that had high quality playback heads?
Did any of them go up to 18,000hz?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21478 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Us serious audiophiles never took the walkman or any portable seriously. My question is, was there ever a walkmand that had high quality playback heads?
Did any of them go up to 18,000hz?

Sure. Mine did (WM-701C).

The Compact Cassette format was popular enough worldwide so electronics manufacturers actually bothered to refine it over the years. 8-track never got anywhere beyond the US and even there it didn't get far.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2841 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

When I was a kid, hearing about Walkmans (Walkmen?) for the first time, I actually thought they were little box shaped men with arms & legs that listened to music.

But I 've had many a good Walkman. I last bought (coincidentally a Sony) one as late as 2000. Better than discmen, without the skipping, more charismatic than an iPod. But would a person back in the 80s have said, ah, a 75 RPM has more charisma than these new fangled Walkmans?!

Goodbye Sony Walkman.

I'd give mine a Viking burial...but I duno where the hell it walked off to.



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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
8-track never got anywhere beyond the US and even there it didn't get far.

8-track was pretty popular here in the UK, but mainly as an in-car based hi-fi system. I really can't remember seeing any kind of portable or home-based 8-track system, but then what do I know?!

I LOVED the advent of the Walkman!! The concept of a mobile personal stereo system was just the best thing ever as far as I was concerned, especially for someone like me who was seriously into rollerskating in the early 80s! Ironically though, I never actually owned a Sony Walkman, but had a whole string of "personal stereos" of other manufacturers. We had a brand here called Binatone (who I didn't think actually existed any more until I recently bought a new telephone system for my flat only to find that it was made by Binatone!) - they very quickly came out with their own version of the Sony Walkman, known as the HipFi - for obvious reasons! It looked very much like the Walkman 1, and was considerably cheaper, although the first personal stereo I ever owned was actually Binatone's pre-HipFi offering, which was about the size of a house brick, but it sounded great and I really didn't care - I could listen to good quality stereo music on the move, so whether it was Sony or not, I had Sony to thank for coming up with the original idea.

Things have moved on, and now I have my iPod and, more recently, my iPhone to listen to music on, but who knows whether they would have even existed if the people at Sony hadn't come up with the original concept of sound on the move.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
8-track never got anywhere beyond the US and even there it didn't get far.

It lasted 30 years so I'd say it was a very successful format. It led to the development of the cassette walkman, Discman and now the ipod.
By the way, Cheap Trick released a 8track tape last year.

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 20):
8-track was pretty popular here in the UK, but mainly as an in-car based hi-fi system.

Rolls Royce and Ford/Mercury/Lincoln were the only two car manufactures in the world to offer 'quadraphonic' 8track players in their cars. I've seen a few old Jaguar and Rovers with 8track players in them.
Becker never offered 8track players for Mercedes so my guess it that it didn't take off in Germany.
I have a few imported 8track tapes from Japan, Taiwan, Canada, Italy, Spain, France and the format lived though the 1980s & 1990s in Latin America.

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 20):
I really can't remember seeing any kind of portable or home-based 8-track system, but then what do I know?!


There were HUNDREDS available here in the US. Some were high-end decks.
The most sought after are the Akai glass-head quadraphonic player/recorders and the Superscope by Marantz 8track decks that had Dolby (TM).
I've managed to get impeccable sound quality out of new old stock blank 8track tapes. I'd record from LP or compact disc on to 8track using Dolby (TM). Sounds wonderful playing the recorded tape in my car.



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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
I've seen a few old Jaguar and Rovers with 8track players in them.

Yes, in the early-mid 70s one of my uncles always drove Rover cars which always had an 8track in.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
I'd record from LP or compact disc on to 8track using Dolby (TM).

I didn't even know you could make your own recordings onto 8track!! I do remember a time when if a new album was advertised on TV, they would always end the advert with "Available now on record, cassette and 8track in all good record shops"!!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 22):
Yes, in the early-mid 70s one of my uncles always drove Rover cars which always had an 8track in.

Sounds like your uncle had style.  
Quoting BAViscount (Reply 22):
I didn't even know you could make your own recordings onto 8track!!

Oh yes and it became very controversial. The first wave of copyright lawsuits against fans & consumers and bootlegs started with the 8track cartridge.
Read this article. Very similar to the Napster issue 30 years later.

http://www.publiccollectors.org/TapePiracy.html



I really freak people out when I play newer music on an 8track tape. Especially since I get great sound qualit out of them. NOS blank 8tracks on ebay are still cheap but the RCA and TDK blanks were the best and those do go for more money.


http://www.publiccollectors.org/TapePiracyWEB.jpg

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
8-track never got anywhere beyond the US

Here is an 8track in German but it appears to have a Swiss flag.

It's a shame the 8track didn't catch on in Germany considering Germany invented the magnetic recording tape.
Also the 450SL and 280SE convertible were in production during the 8track era. Shame none of those came with a factory 8track player.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21478 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

All very nice anecdotal evidence, but I still don't see how the numbers for 8-Track ever approached the ones for CC which was completely pervasive on all levels and on a global scale.

25 Superfly : "CC" You mean compact cassette? Of course not. The 8track had it's build in limitations. Tape formulations improved for cassette tape with the CrO2 a
26 RayChuang : The earliest cassette recorders had a signal to noise ratio of around 40 dB. By the middle 1980's, thanks to pure-metal formulations and Dolby C nois
27 Flighty : Sure. WM-DC2 is one good one. Akai also made a walkman. My dad bought one. Around 1981. It's not quite that simple. For one thing, it should be calle
28 Klaus : Nonsense. Dolby-C could work very well if the circuit was properly designed and calibrated. Which was not always the case, obviously.
29 Post contains images solnabo : . Aaaahhh...memories and the Walkman! RIP you piece of ¤%& We called it Freestyle in Sweden (don´t ask me why) Got mine when I turned 20 *1979*
30 Flighty : Hopefully the calibration is to disconnect the Dolby distortion from the signal path. Lots of people like Dolby. Can't explain that. I have good Dolb
31 Klaus : If it sounds "mutilated", you don't have good Dolby equipment! (Or it's very badly calibrated.) I've tested it with my three-head tape deck switching
32 Post contains images Superfly : Very true. When comparing a 1st. generation cassette to an 8track, the 8track sounds better. The 8track was initially a high-end format. Hence why it
33 Klaus : That would be part of the explanation why you didn't have good experiences with Dolby-C. Proper bias adjustment to the respective tape during recordi
34 N1120A : Digiman would work. That said, I like the idea of keeping the "Walkman" brand for newer media. It made its way into pop culture. Even Russell Peters
35 Post contains images Superfly : Like I said, I almost never played my tapes back in the unit I recorded it on. My tape recordings (8track and cassette) are almost always played back
36 Klaus : With badly or uncalibrated bias you'd have significant additional distortions in any case, independently of Dolby. Dolby-C just relied especially on
37 Superfly : My tape decks that had Dolby C as an option was automatically calibrated. All of the Dolby C fans I know insist that playing back with Dolby C 'on' w
38 Klaus : Nothing subjective about it – a proper Dolby-C recording objectively had a much higher dynamic range. Dolby recordings were simply not compatible w
39 Superfly : If the record levels were set properly, distortion wouldn't be a problem. Not necessarily. If anything, you get a clear higher frequency.
40 Post contains images 747m8te : My casset Sony Walkman served me well, and lasted a long time, used it from 1988 till 2002/03 where I moved onto the Minidisc Sony Walkman, before fin
41 Klaus : You'd get a substantially distorted frequency response which had absolutely nothing to do with audio fidelity. Nothing "clear" about it, just incorre
42 Post contains images N1120A : If you burned them in WAV, it wouldn't be an issue. MP3 CDs, which hold a ton more, would require a Discman that could read the format. It would be t
43 Flighty : Well, these days, I just like using Type II tape, no Dolby at all, and it sounds great IMO. Of course, portable decks are usually not in the same lea
44 Post contains images Superfly : What car brand offered a cassette deck with Dolby C? Was yours some aftermarket deck? Well of course. I hated when people did that. No more metal typ
45 Post contains images Klaus : Yeah... the side benefits of aging ears... If it's bad enough, the significant noise floor of the "naked" tape may eventually become inaudible...! In
46 Superfly : Junk car stereos in high-end cars was strictly a German thing. American, British, Japanese and Italian cars had nice stock car stereos for their cars
47 Post contains images Klaus : You yourself said yours never had Dolby-C, didn't you? Doesn't sound like high end, exactly!
48 Superfly : It's a total waste in a car stereo. No need to be defensive because Mercedes, Audi and BMW were too cheap to offer nice stereos on their high-end sed
49 Klaus : No, it's not. I've never made more than one recording of any given music – and that single recording was for use at home, on the road and for my Wa
50 N1120A : American stereos, especially those garbage Delco decks from GM, always sucked. Japanese cars always had the best stereos. When? Every Mercedes or BMW
51 Superfly : Same here. The German car stereos were crap. Actually they made some fantastic stereos and they sounded great. It depends on which model. The problem
52 Klaus : That blanket statement is most definitely utter nonsense.
53 Superfly : Umm, no it's the truth. It wasn't until the past 15 years when they started offereing good stereos in their cars. Mercedes and BMW were the last luxu
54 Flighty : Hey, the real world has noise in it... As long as you set levels carefully, Type II tape can do well as-is. Digital classical is always a challenge,
55 Post contains images Superfly : Sad that a majority of people's experience with cassette was only with pre-recorded album releases. To make matters worse, those who did make recordi
56 Post contains images Confuscius : Sorry to see the Walkman discontinued. But I've always preferred the boombox because it had better bass.
57 Superfly : Umm, why is that guy carrying a purse? I never remember that being a fashion trend in the 80s.
58 Confuscius : Perhaps to store extra cassette tapes?
59 Superfly : True but it's not large enough to carry a folded piece of cardboard in case he needs to spin on his back & break dance.
60 N1120A : I've drive tons of Mercedes from the 1980s. Never had less than a cassette In what century? That is completely untrue. My first car was a 1985 BMW 31
61 Superfly : I know the deck you're talking about and that was total garbage.
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