Quote: But they are going to be paying attention to this election and if Latinos sit out the election instead of saying we're going to punish our enemies and we're going to reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us, if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's going to be harder and that's I didn't think it's so important that people focus on voting on November 2nd
More racial politics from the great uniter..I guess the enemy he is talking about is anyone who does not believe in his socialist ideas. Or anyone who does not believe in illegal immigration. Funny how this story was never really picked up by the Mainstream Media. Who was the last President to talk openly about people who disagree with him as his enemies? The community organizer doing what he does best. This is racial politics at it worst.
ABC Alone Features Obama Exhorting Latinos to 'Punish Our Enemies,' Stephanopoulos Downplays
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
Yea I almost couldn't believe it when I heard it but he is so desperate now. This was just clearly a last ditch effort to get the latino vote to turn out. How you can support open borders and the rest of the stuff we are seeing in AZ is beyond me, I mean another activist judge doesn't feel you should show your citizen papers to vote. I mean it's getting insane.
This president and the professional left want the sanctuary cities, the open borders and the amnesty. I think one of the best things about the GOP taking back some of congress and Browns win is that they stopped the filabuster proof power because after heathcare amnesty was next.
AGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4141 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1): Yea I almost couldn't believe it when I heard it but he is so desperate now.
I can believe he said that ... I can believe he is demeaning the presidency by campaigning or rabble rousing like he is. He is nothing but a community organizer and way over his head ... at that.
But ..this is the democrat party , racists to the core and pushing to separate us into racial groups . They want us divided so they can pander along racial lines . Dangerous dangerous short sighted people.... I am worried.
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Yellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4101 times:
If a politician wanted me to have to carry around my birth certificate, and to present it on demand to any cop who thinks I look a bit foreign, I'd be calling that politician my enemy too. Of course, that's not how Obama meant it; he meant something along the lines of "vote against those whose politics are opposed to mine and who would institute policies that harm me," which colloquially became "punish our enemies." He probably should have been a bit more careful with his word choice, given the number of right wing whack-jobs intent on parlaying his every word into an attack on freedom or something.
Of course, in your haste to condemn Obama you're missing the bigger picture - the Democrats have the Latino vote pretty well locked up, though not to the extent of the black vote. And given the demographic shifts this country is going through, that means the GOP is going to have a harder and harder time winning by getting the older white male vote. Maybe if y'all spent more time winning Latino votes and less time panicking about brown people wanting to sell cheap labor, you'll have a viable party 20 years from now.
Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4101 times:
When Angle runs her "Whites Only" political ad it's pretty hard to put all the blame on Obama.
But then my bet is that only the whites (and, yes, I'm white) will be upset.
planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4095 times:
Quoting windy95 (Thread starter): More racial politics from the great uniter..I guess the enemy he is talking about is anyone who does not believe in his socialist ideas.
So you don't think Republicans are the enemy of minorities?
UNCRDU From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 195 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4075 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3): If a politician wanted me to have to carry around my birth certificate, and to present it on demand to any cop who thinks I look a bit foreign, I'd be calling that politician my enemy too.
Last I checked, if you commit a crime or are suspected of committing a crime an officer usually asks for ID anyways. We're not talking about birth certificates, just any type of identification, like a driver's license.
Quoting planespotting (Reply 5):
So you don't think Republicans are the enemy of minorities?
Please explain why.
Enemies of minorities? Really? That's a bit of a stretch. It would be similar to saying something like, "Obama and Democrats are the enemies of capitalism."
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4061 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3): If a politician wanted me to have to carry around my birth certificate, and to present it on demand to any cop who thinks I look a bit foreign, I'd be calling that politician my enemy too.
Unfortunately that is not what AZ is asking. They wanted the police to be able to ask for proff of citizenship in the way of alien cards or other once a legal police stop was initated and for you to prove your a citizen to register to vote. Stop the spin.
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 3): He probably should have been a bit more careful with his word choice, given the number of right wing whack-jobs intent on parlaying his every word into an attack on freedom or something.
He has shown he supports illegal immigration and rewarding those already here. What are we supposed to do?
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4): When Angle runs her "Whites Only" political ad it's pretty hard to put all the blame on Obama.
Nobody is denying Angle's ads are bad. Her whole campaign staff should be fired.
Quoting planespotting (Reply 5): So you don't think Republicans are the enemy of minorities?
This is ridiculous. We are not against minorties, just the onces that jump the fence illegally and then expect to get a free ride to citizenship. Stop the race baiting.
Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 6): Last I checked, if you commit a crime or are suspected of committing a crime an officer usually asks for ID anyways. We're not talking about birth certificates, just any type of identification, like a driver's license.
Of course but the professional left was quick to liken it to "papers please" (Rachel Maddow's words) in an attempt to kill it because the professional left wants open borders and amnesty.
Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 6): Enemies of minorities? Really? That's a bit of a stretch. It would be similar to saying something like, "Obama and Democrats are the enemies of capitalism."
LOL I like this guy! Welcome to my respected user list! Spot on!
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4058 times:
Like it or not, the majority (not all) of Latinos are going to vote for the same type of people who they voted for back home, which also happened to be the reason they left. Hardly the most sophisticated voters, especially given the state of their home countries. Majority of them have never taken a single US history class and know zilch of the American tradition and have themselves a terrible track-record of securing democracy and liberty back home, something that applied to me too before I moved here for studies.
Sad but true.
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 4633 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4059 times:
You have already stated that you believe liberals and democrats are your enemy. So why would a statement like this bother you? This is just a continuation of the entire "they are the enemy" theme that has invaded our nation. It is beyond sad. People like you Windy, who believe that those of opposing political viewpoints are the enemy, and like Obama as well in this case, are what is wrong with this country.
YOU are just like Obama, Windy (isn't that a shock). You both believe your viewpoint to the exclusion of others and are unwilling to work with each other.
Until people stop this polarization things will only gets worse. We need to work together and be willing to compromise and make tough decisions together but the word "compromise" is apparently now the word of "the enemy".
"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"
Tugg
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planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): Of course but the professional left was quick to liken it to "papers please" (Rachel Maddow's words) in an attempt to kill it because the professional left wants open borders and amnesty.
We don't want open borders, but we want a fair deal for the folks who Americans have exploited for the last 30 years.
I can admit that illegal immigration/open borders are a problem, and I think most people agree (I certainly do) that we should do more to police the borders and stop all illegal immigration.
But we can't ignore the fact that even though there has been an illegal immigration problem for the last 30 years in America, millions of American individuals and business have openly exploited those illegal immigrants. It's not like we always said "Don't come here, we don't want you!" - there may have been a slightly negative undercurrent, but at the same time, we waived our hand and brought them into the fold.
We can't just say to them "sorry, we used you but now some people in America are using you as scapegoats for their own problems and we want to get rid of you because it's a political football."
The other part that's shitty is that the very very strong anti-illegal immigrant ferver has been brought upon during the economic crisis, as xenophobic sentimente usually is. When things are fine and dandy, nothing is really a problem, but when times get tough, some Americans (and humans in general) like to point at people who look different than them and say it's their fault.
Yellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4016 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8): and have themselves a terrible track-record of securing democracy and liberty back home
Kind of hard to secure a democracy when the CIA is funding the opposition, and occasionally orchestrating coups and assassinations when the wrong folks get elected.
Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4009 times:
Quoting planespotting (Reply 10): We don't want open borders, but we want a fair deal for the folks who Americans have exploited for the last 30 years.
Exploited? Free health care, jobs etc and now you want them to have amnesty? Yea real exploited.
Quoting planespotting (Reply 10): I can admit that illegal immigration/open borders are a problem, and I think most people agree (I certainly do) that we should do more to police the borders and stop all illegal immigration.
Then why doesn't the Dems do it?
Quoting planespotting (Reply 10): The other part that's shitty is that the very very strong anti-illegal immigrant ferver has been brought upon during the economic crisis, as xenophobic sentimente usually is. When things are fine and dandy, nothing is really a problem, but when times get tough, some Americans (and humans in general) like to point at people who look different than them and say it's their fault.
windy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2558 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4007 times:
Quoting planespotting (Reply 5): Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
More racial politics from the great uniter..I guess the enemy he is talking about is anyone who does not believe in his socialist ideas.
So you don't think Republicans are the enemy of minorities?
Please explain why.
I know plenty of people with an ethnicity other than caucasian (including my wife and her family) who are Conservative. They are LEGAL immigrants and hate what is happening with the ILLEGALS in this country.
So back to the thread do you think Obama is a uniter or divider with this statement?
Quoting tugger (Reply 9): You have already stated that you believe liberals and democrats are your enemy. So why would a statement like this bother you?
Because it comes from POTUS..The office is supposed to be above what this community agitator is doing.
Quoting tugger (Reply 9): We need to work together and be willing to compromise and make tough decisions together but the word "compromise" is apparently now the word of "the enemy".
Compromise is something you do when you have a weak position. There is either following the Constitution and small government or there is not following it and having the Fed run every inch of our life. There is no in between and no compromise in between...
Quoting tugger (Reply 9): are what is wrong with this country.
What is wrong with this country is that the left thinks that the constitution says "provide" welfare instead of "promote" the general welfare....Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare are all providing at someone elses espense. Not promoting for every citizen. That is what is wrong with this country now.
Quote: "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents..." --James Madison
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3995 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11): Kind of hard to secure a democracy when the CIA is funding the opposition, and occasionally orchestrating coups and assassinations when the wrong folks get elected.
Yeah, that's true. But the "wrong people" back then were the likes of Dilma Rouseff, our next president, who was very cosy with the ideas of Castro and the Soviets, so not too different from the CIA and military Junta. And given her past actions, I wouldn't put it past her to turn out as violent too.
Luckily for us, that side of her appears to be mostly history.
[Edited 2010-10-28 12:10:21]
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
windy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2558 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3981 times:
Quoting planespotting (Reply 10): The other part that's shitty is that the very very strong anti-illegal immigrant ferver has been brought upon during the economic crisis, as xenophobic sentimente usually is. When things are fine and dandy, nothing is really a problem, but when times get tough, some Americans (and humans in general) like to point at people who look different than them and say it's their fault.
Hence the racism charge ...
Illegal is not a color or race...Just happens that most of them right now come from south of the border. Are we also Xenophobic against all of the Latin Americans who are of Straight European (Spanish) descent? Are they Xenophobic against the Latin Americans mixed with the Natives? Stop making it about race and keeping it about being ILLEGAL. When we have the same immigration policy as Mexico maybe we can talk about loosening our border...
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3971 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): They wanted the police to be able to ask for proff of citizenship in the way of alien cards or other once a legal police stop was initated and for you to prove your a citizen to register to vote
My wife has a "Green Card" (which is no longer green) and I was a "legal alien" when we lived in Australia.
At no time in our 40+ years of marriage have we been asked for "our papers". It probably helps that my wife is white but the idea of carrying proof of citizenship is totally out of character for this country.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): Her whole campaign staff should be fired.
But would you vote for her opposition?
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12): Then why doesn't the Dems do it?
And how big a tax increase would you accept to pay for increased infrastructure and personnel needed?
planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3946 times:
Quoting windy95 (Reply 13): I know plenty of people with an ethnicity other than caucasian (including my wife and her family) who are Conservative. They are LEGAL immigrants and hate what is happening with the ILLEGALS in this country.
So your answer to my question is "my family are not white and they agree with me?"
Quoting windy95 (Reply 13): Compromise is something you do when you have a weak position.
That is a crummy attitude to take about compromise. Does your wife feel the same way? What about the people you work with? I'd hate to be on your team and have to actually complete a project working with that attitude.
Quoting windy95 (Reply 13): There is either following the Constitution and small government or there is not following it and having the Fed run every inch of our life. There is no in between and no compromise in between...
No - that's not how it is! Argh. NOTHING is black and white.
san747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4936 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3945 times:
Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 6):
Enemies of minorities? Really? That's a bit of a stretch. It would be similar to saying something like, "Obama and Democrats are the enemies of capitalism."
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
LOL I like this guy! Welcome to my respected user list! Spot on!
Really, Nick? Because he just implied that what the President said is as foolish as something you have said many times.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Exploited? Free health care, jobs etc and now you want them to have amnesty? Yea real exploited.
Yeah, the illegals have it great in this country. Keep dreaming.
Yeah, Americans have never pointed the finger at minorities during times of crisis. The Civil War was a war for state's rights, and the Japanese were interned in camps between 1942-1945 for their own safety.
Compromise is something you do when you have a weak position. There is either following the Constitution and small government or there is not following it and having the Fed run every inch of our life. There is no in between and no compromise in between...
Compromise is something you do when you are a mature adult who recognizes people have differing opinions and positions on the issues and can't just blow them off because you don't agree with them.
You want to live in a country where people are only allowed to think one way about politics? Iran would love to have you!
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3931 times:
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16): At no time in our 40+ years of marriage have we been asked for "our papers". It probably helps that my wife is white but the idea of carrying proof of citizenship is totally out of character for this country.
So your telling me AUS had the same issue with an out of control illegal alien problem and drug cartels shooting up the place?
You also wouldn't just be asked for your papers. If you were pulled over and the officer had reason to believe you were in the country illegally he would ask you for ID.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16): But would you vote for her opposition?
Of course not Reid is is worse. I supported Lowden but that race is the lesser of two evils. Happens.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16): And how big a tax increase would you accept to pay for increased infrastructure and personnel needed?
If he didn't pass that abomination you call health care we would tackled the border. Prioritize.
Quoting san747 (Reply 18): Yeah, the illegals have it great in this country. Keep dreaming.
Then why are they here? Give me a break. They get sanctuary and everything else. I doubt they are making a bee line back to Mexico.
san747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4936 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3922 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
If he didn't pass that abomination you call health care we would tackled the border. Prioritize.
How do you know that? Bush could have prioritized it above his gay marriage and Iraq "crusades" as well, but he didn't. And he had 8 full years to do so!
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Then why are they here? Give me a break. They get sanctuary and everything else. I doubt they are making a bee line back to Mexico.
They're here because anywhere is better than Mexico right now, not to mention the US is by far the easiest country to immigrate to from Mexico. Just because its better here for them than in Mexico, doesn't mean they're living it up.
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9832 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
Quoting windy95 (Thread starter): Who was the last President to talk openly about people who disagree with him as his enemies?
Bush II.
The right wing has been injecting race this whole campaign and we should ignore that but be outraged because the president does it? WFT?
windy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2558 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
Quoting seb146 (Reply 21): Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Who was the last President to talk openly about people who disagree with him as his enemies?
Bush II.
The right wing has been injecting race this whole campaign and we should ignore that but be outraged because the president does it? WFT?
Source...
Quoting san747 (Reply 18): Compromise is something you do when you are a mature adult who recognizes people have differing opinions and positions on the issues and can't just blow them off because you don't agree with them.
If you have a different opinion there is a amendment process to the Constitution...Use it. Do not re-interpet it(or just plain ignore it) to provide a plethora of social programs.
Quoting san747 (Reply 18): You want to live in a country where people are only allowed to think one way about politics? I
No I want to live in a country where they actually follow the law of the land. Where if you want change you do it the proper way through an amendment process. Where illegal means illegal....If following the constitution makes me a Republican what does the a make Democrats then?
Quoting planespotting (Reply 17): Quoting windy95 (Reply 13):
I know plenty of people with an ethnicity other than caucasian (including my wife and her family) who are Conservative. They are LEGAL immigrants and hate what is happening with the ILLEGALS in this country.
So your answer to my question is "my family are not white and they agree with me?"
No my answer is that I know many people of ethicity who are not democrats but conservatives. And it is not the Republican party who divides everyone into their little groups and then panders to them on race to get their votes. So sorry that it is the left who are the race baiters in this country...
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16): but the idea of carrying proof of citizenship is totally out of character for this country.
So I should throw away my liscense and my passport. Why is it at the border if you are legal you have to show your passport but if you are illegal you do not have to show anything?
san747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4936 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3853 times:
Quoting windy95 (Reply 22):
If you have a different opinion there is a amendment process to the Constitution...Use it. Do not re-interpet it(or just plain ignore it) to provide a plethora of social programs.
Quoting windy95 (Reply 22):
No I want to live in a country where they actually follow the law of the land. Where if you want change you do it the proper way through an amendment process. Where illegal means illegal....If following the constitution makes me a Republican what does the a make Democrats then?
I'm talking about legislation, not changing the Constitution. I agree with you that if you want something changed in the Constitution, use the Amendment process. But legislation is a different matter.
For example, people always use the welfare example- "CUT WELFARE!!!!!!" because the Constitution says "PROMOTE the general welfare" not "provide" and assert that having a welfare system promotes laziness and encourages people not to find jobs or be productive, essentially saying that because some people abuse a program, it should be eliminated.
But what about the millions of people on welfare that need the assistance? The millions of unemployed that need to keep afloat while finding work? It's a lot harder to look for a job when you're on the street, which is where the vast majority of those people will go without that money. I don't think anyone is seriously going to argue that having a bunch of unemployed homeless people in our cities is a good thing for the country.
Quoting windy95 (Reply 22):
So I should throw away my liscense and my passport. Why is it at the border if you are legal you have to show your passport but if you are illegal you do not have to show anything?
Because travelling domestically and travelling internationally are two completely different things altogether. And what border crossing do you go to that lets people without passports through, because I don't have one and I'd love to visit Mexico and Canada sometime!
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7647 posts, RR: 28 Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3845 times:
Now he's quoting Madison - that's rich.
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
25 Zentraedi: Then they should not accept state driver's licenses, which they do. It is in no way proof of citizenship. I hold a Japanese drivers license, yet am n
26 Aaron747: I'm still driving on a Japanese license here in Hawaii - I must be illegal! LOL
27 PSA53: And that's why the democrats will get spanked next week.The democrats show more sympathy towards Latinos and Mexico,like giving Mexico 1 billion doll
28 dxing: Name the section of the law that says you have to present your birth certificate. And if a policeman stops you for a traffic violation or any other n
29 avent: No. You do not have to commit a violation of any kind; merely being a witness, or being thought of as being a possible witness is enough for the offi
30 NW747400: Does anyone else not see what a ridiculous statement that is. You said NOTHING is black and white. That is a black and white statement. You just disp
31 Zentraedi: That information is wrong. It's not "Non-Citizens", but rather foreign driver's license holders. There many US citizens overseas who no longer hold v
32 seb146: Are you serious? Remember the run-up to the Iraqi invasion and occupation when Americans in the United States were protesting? Bush and all right-win
33 OA412: So much fake outrage from the right on this board today. I love that you're incredibly "offended" by Obama's referring to Republicans as the enemy whe
34 dxing: As I pointed out by saying "any number of reasons". The information is not wrong, it just does not include citizens that might hold a foreign drivers
35 avent: Not exactly. You could have just written 'for any number of reasons' but when you preface it with law breaking, you imply the reasons are justified b
36 UNCRDU: How is that, exactly? I mean, the ones that have tried to blow up American civilians have been imprisoned, but other than that most have been treated
37 OA412: So two wrongs make a right in your book? Nope. You can post all the gallup polls you want, but either way it's crap. The president shouldn't have sai
38 OA412: And the ones who were imprisoned and held at Guantanamo or elsewhere even though they had zero ties to terrorism?
39 UNCRDU: Terrible. I thought we were referring solely to US citizens, however. If I was mistaken, I apologize.
40 Zentraedi: Therefore, the scope is mislabeled. Irrelevant. It's no guarantee. The could have easily overstayed their visa. In any case, they still don't need th
41 dxing: Which is the more likely scenario, being stopped for a traffic violation or being asked for identification as a witness as you described in reply 29
42 planespotting: I didn't say Republicans are my enemies - just making an observation that as a non-minority myself, it seems as if Republicans are generally the enem
43 windy95: Welfare should be at state level...Stop taking money from the states and then sending it back to the states with a corrot stick out front. As for Une
44 dxing: Because it is nothing but a fabrication of the left. The GOP is for enforcing the laws of the country. That includes the laws that involve immigratio
45 windy95: And exactly how does wanting to enforce the rules on the books make them racist? You ( planespotting ) are making the accusation so you need to prove
46 planespotting: - Prohibiting women from having control over their own bodies is a law? - Discriminating against men and women who are sexually attracted to members
47 PWM2TXLHopper: So much for his speech at Notre Dame in the Spring of 2009 when he stated "When we open up our hearts and our minds to those who may not think precis
48 UNCRDU: Um, Michael Steele. The elected head of the RNC is BLACK. The Republicans must be out to get him. Well, it is against the law for women (and men) to
49 planespotting: The main point your false logic argument advances is that lots of people get married for bogus reasons, so no one should get married.
50 PWM2TXLHopper: [ I wouldn't call it false logic, just basic common sense not twisted to meet the desires of a small minority that's angry because they' expect societ
51 dxing: The points have already been more than adequately addressed by UNCRDU but I would like to see a source that says that "all" republicans feel this or
52 caliatenza: Problem is, the illegals wont stop coming until A. Things get better in their own countries or B. All the people who rail against illegals here decid
53 futurepilot16: He doesn't need a last ditch effort for the Latino vote, if the Latino vote were any more one the democratic side, it would be a landslide. Republica
54 UNCRDU: Come again? You could say the same thing with Democrats in regard to white males (affirmative action, etc).
55 seb146: Still waiting (since 2003...) Don't blame me because you conveniently forgot history. Context, right? Only the right-wing has the ability to say one
56 avent: I think you should ask that of a hispanic. And since the corporations that run the prison industry see incarceration of illegals as their next major
57 Baroque: So Bush was high in his praise for folk such as Joe and Valerie Wilson, or Richard Clarke, or Cindy Sheehan - all US citizens I do believe? And http:/
58 planespotting: Haha - now you're going to say that white males are being discriminated against? As a WASP male myself, I can say without question that white males a
59 UNCRDU: Well, you would be wrong. I know self-hate or hate of white males is in vogue now, but look around the world and tell me that you honestly believe wh
60 planespotting: I don't hate white people, or myself - I just don't need to color history to make it seem like my ancestors were very noble or had good intentions. I
61 rottenray: Source? Really!? Short memory...? Transcript of President Bush's address to a joint session of Congress on Thursday night, September 20, 2001. Stop t
62 UNCRDU: Which ancestors would those be? I think the creation of Republican Democracy was pretty noble, but maybe I'm in the minority here. True, but that was
63 planespotting: I agree (that it was noble and good). And whites certainly have fought noble causes throughout history as well (and other peoples have fought un-nobl
64 dxing: You can both either post a source or be exposed for continuing yet another left wing lie. Context has nothing to do with it. It's a direct quote. Onl
65 avent: You are not subjected to having to prove citizenship under a law engineered around hispanic day labor practices. As I said, talk to some hispanics an
66 san747: At the end of the day, it matters not (for the sake of this argument) what our white ancestors did. The fact remains that white males remain the plur
67 dxing: Again, how is someone subjected to proving their citizenship unless they come into contact with the police under circumstances other than just standi
68 avent: Again, you're being obtuse. For the few times I've been stopped for traffic violations, there was never an issue of having to prove my citizenship. I
69 Ken777: Actually you're wrong there. Few years ago I was visiting PER, get pulled over in a random booze test (they do that there) and showed an OK DL. Angle
70 Tu204: I do not see a problem with asking people for proof of status in a country. In the Russian Federation police can ask you to show such documents. If yo
71 avent: The issue is twofold: 1. It has never been the norm in this country, and 2, the law in question has been designed to target hispanics.
72 dxing: As you are being ridiculous. In order to have a State issued drivers license you have to be a citizen of the United States or a legal alien resident.
73 Quokka: As an outsider, this has got to be one of the most confusing threads that I have read. I have listened to the three video clips provided by the OP and
74 seb146: When his quote was first uttered, the right-wing ran with it and spun it to mean anyone opposed to the war in Iraq. The right-wing lumped in people p
75 planespotting: Yep - In the United States, the right is allowed to spin or clarify or add context whenever they want, and people listen to them and believe it. The
76 dl021: I vote that way quite often and I'm no enemy of minorities. I am insulted by the comment. Can you share what makes me an enemy of minorities?
77 dxing: The left has always been the ones to use the line in that fashion. Since day one. I can think of 2 or 3 threads where I have asked you to provide pro
78 tugger: In the USA there is specifically no requirement for a citizen to prove that they are a citizen. The ability to be stopped by law enforcement and aske
79 avent: The law targets hispanics through targetting day labor practices which are almost exclusively hispanic practices.[Edited 2010-10-30 19:50:20]
80 avent: A legal resident alien is not a citizen. All this shows is you have no idea what you are talking about and are in your "if the rightwing nutcases wan
81 rottenray: D - Either take time to read posts, or... Well, I remember who I'm "talking" to here. What part of (source) this statement, made to Congress, is it t
82 Baroque: A nice explanation of what is turning me off the US big time. It is only the ?lonely like Seb, Tugger and rottenray and a number of friends in the US
83 dxing: But is eligible to have a U.S. drivers license. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...me=iic_immigrationissuecenterse1df [i]Immigration Issue Center
84 avent: Except this act creates an opportunity for 'lawful contact' that can now include others and witnesses, and make them suseptible to 'suspicions' on th
85 Baroque: Wow!!!! I think in my utopia lines of command would be much simpler and less expensive than in your dystopia. Note spelling options for dystopia incl
86 dxing: If they are blocking a roadway. You don't think people are smart enough to figure a way around that? And I'd love to see a source that says that the
87 NIKV69: This is such crap. How are discriminating against them? By asking them to prove they are a citizen? Give it a rest. They have a pretty damn good deal
88 dxing: And the left is complaining this weekend that Sen. McConnell said in an interview that the GOP's number one priority will be making the President a o
89 avent: That the law is stupid as well as being innately anti-hispanic is besude the point, but goint off on a tangent has never slowed you down. You've been
90 san747: Come to CA sometime Nick and see for yourself how illegals are living here and then try and claim they have "a pretty good deal."
91 dxing: The point being that your assumption that the police are just lying in wait for this sort of action is ridiculuous. How many times does a motorist pu
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