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Teen Shot Dead After Halloween Prank  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

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ATLANTA — Authorities say a driver enraged after his Mercedes was splattered with eggs on Halloween fatally shot a 17-year-old in the neck and leg as the teen tried to run away.

What do you guys think? I'm kinda split on the issue. A part of me wants to be evil and say the little punk got what he deserved, but on the other hand, no one, absolutely no one deserves to die from a prank, especially so violently,

I believe that the shooter should be charged with negligent homicide, because he shot at someone who was unarmed TEN times, not once or twice.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39952045/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/


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User currently offlinerichm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
no one, absolutely no one deserves to die from a prank, especially so violently

I agree, I don't think anyone can justify killing or even shooting at someone just because they threw eggs at a car, despite the fact that throwing missiles at cars can have serious consequences.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

He should be charged with second degree murder, no doubt.


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5431 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
I believe that the shooter should be charged with negligent homicide, because he shot at someone who was unarmed TEN times, not once or twice.

Negligent implies that the shooter had a right to even pull a gun, which he clearly didn't in this case.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 2):
second degree murder

Is the more likely charge. The shooter might be able to plea bargain down to voluntary manslaughter, but he's going away for at least 20 years.



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5577 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
A part of me wants to be evil and say the little punk got what he deserved,

Are you serious? A good thump if the driver managed to catch him, but shooting the guy in the neck for throwing a few eggs in a Hallowe'en prank, even if it is a Mercedes?


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

I think that the DA will go for 2nd Degree knowing they cannot get it, with the intent get a Voluntary Manslaughter conviction by plea deal, and the guy will be out in 5-10 yrs, depending on GA. Some states you are required to do 80% of you sentence, before you can get parole.
Manslaughter is a better option, because the guy acted after being incited by the eggs being thrown at his car, Murder would be very hard to make stick. Also, we do not know this guys state of mind at the time, did he feel he was in fear of his life? I know many Iraqi war vets, that go everywhere with a gun, and throwing things at their vehicles, would not be the smartest thing to do, a few of them have a hard enough time, driving down the road.

I understand someone being enraged enough to want to beat the hell out of someone, after they threw eggs at their expensive ride, but it in no way justifies taking a life. Now, on the other side of that, when you put yourself in a situation like this, and it gets you killed, the blame STARTS with you, not the person that was going about their business, and his response to your actions, resulted in you losing your life.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
I'm kinda split on the issue. A part of me wants to be evil and say the little punk got what he deserved,

Strange that you would even say this. I can't see how anyone can even justify shooting a kid because he egged their car. Giving him a swift kick in the behind, sure, but murder is beyond comprehension.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5431 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
What do you guys think? I'm kinda split on the issue. A part of me wants to be evil and say the little punk got what he deserved,

The punk definitely deserved as ass-whooping. But death? That's a little outrageous.



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User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 5):

Manslaughter is a better option, because the guy acted after being incited by the eggs being thrown at his car, Murder would be very hard to make stick. Also, we do not know this guys state of mind at the time, did he feel he was in fear of his life? I know many Iraqi war vets, that go everywhere with a gun, and throwing things at their vehicles, would not be the smartest thing to do, a few of them have a hard enough time, driving down the road.

Why can throwing a egg be enough incitement to have any effect on a murder charge. Being very annoyed is no excuse for murder.


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6607 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Sad story. Its easy to be an armchair psychologist and second guess why someone thought it was a good idea to fire 10 shots because of this. Maybe a "falling down" moment a la Michael Douglas film, but some people have hair triggers and it doesn't take a lot for them to react in this way especially if the car was their pride and joy. And I presume that firing 10 shots emptied the gun so he just kept shooting until the bullets ran out.


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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 8):
Why can throwing a egg be enough incitement to have any effect on a murder charge. Being very annoyed is no excuse for murder.

Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being in which the offender had no prior intent to kill and acted during "the heat of passion", under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_manslaughter

Murder is much harder to prove than Manslaughter, intent to kill would have to be established, and if the guy has a good lawyer, there are several factors he could throw in there.
I don't know if he has been charged yet, but I would put my money on a plea deal being made?


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21122 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being in which the offender had no prior intent to kill and acted during "the heat of passion", under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed.

Heat of passion applies here, but I'm not sure even a reasonable person would respond to his car being egged in that manner unless he thought his life was in danger.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
Murder is much harder to prove than Manslaughter, intent to kill would have to be established

He did shoot the kid ten times as the kid was running away. That pretty much says it all. 2nd degree murder is the more appropriate charge, IMO.

-Mir



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User currently onlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2554 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

I'm split on the issue too. Killing someone over a prank doesn't have place in our society. OTOH throwing objects at passing cars goes far beyond prank. While the article doesn't say where was the car hit, an egg splattered over the windshield may lead to an accident. Especially if the driver is nervous or less experienced.

User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
I believe that the shooter should be charged with negligent homicide, because he shot at someone who was unarmed TEN times, not once or twice.

And he shot at someone who was running away. This has nothing to do with negligent homicide that is for things like driving drunk and killing someone. This is straight up homicide.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12043 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
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Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
A part of me wants to be evil and say the little punk got what he deserved

I hope it's a very small part and you don't own a gun.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 12):
OTOH throwing objects at passing cars goes far beyond prank.

It was an egg. If that's a big issue, let the police deal with the egg-thrower. Oh wait, they can't because an idiot with a gun killed him.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11947 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
Murder is much harder to prove than Manslaughter, intent to kill would have to be established, and if the guy has a good lawyer, there are several factors he could throw in there.

And the prosecution would look at why the guy is driving around with a loaded gun (not sure if/why that would be legal) in the first place.



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User currently offlineUNCRDU From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 195 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):

He did shoot the kid ten times as the kid was running away.
Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
because he shot at someone who was unarmed TEN times, not once or twice.

For the record, the article says that he fired 10 shots, not that he shot the kid 10 times. He would have to be an excellent shot to have landed 10/10 of his shots on a moving target. More than likely the kid was struck a couple of times, not 10.

And yes, the shooter should be charged with murder.


User currently offlinecrewchief32 From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

LOL, seems like Tivarius (!!!!!) learned the hard way to respect other peoples properties.

Would love to know how HIS fambly would've reacted if their ride would have been egged......


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
And the prosecution would look at why the guy is driving around with a loaded gun (not sure if/why that would be legal) in the first place.

I drive around with a loaded gun, it is legal in MS and LA, as well as GA; your vehicle is considered an extension of your home. He may have also had a CC permit?

My only question is why has this guy not been charged yet? As with most news stories, there must be more to this?


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
What do you guys think? I'm kinda split on the issue. A part of me wants to be evil and say the little punk got what he deserved, but on the other hand, no one, absolutely no one deserves to die from a prank, especially so violently,

I believe that the shooter should be charged with negligent homicide, because he shot at someone who was unarmed TEN times, not once or twice.

Charge him with murder and send him to prison. There is NO excuse for what he did. Completely irresponsible and obviously he cannot handle firearms (which as a future felon he will never be allowed to own again).


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1199 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

This wasn't premeditated, but rather a "crime of passion". I'm betting on charges that reflect that.

Shooting 10 times does not show premeditation.



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1929 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
I'm kinda split on the issue.

How the...? Are you serious?

Even if the kid burned the car and urinated on it's smoking ashes the guy has no right to kill him. All he had to do was go wash the car.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21122 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 16):
For the record, the article says that he fired 10 shots, not that he shot the kid 10 times.

That is what I meant - apologies if I didn't make that clear. Whether he actually hit him 10 times or not is immaterial in my book - he was crazy enough to try and kill someone who was running away from him, and whose only act of aggression was to throw some eggs at his car.

-Mir



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

He should have chased him down in the car he egged and run him over... That would have been less violent...

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18707 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):

Heat of passion applies here, but I'm not sure even a reasonable person would respond to his car being egged in that manner unless he thought his life was in danger.

He might argue that he didn't know they were eggs and he thought they might be rocks or something else. And that might even be a valid defense. I've had eggs thrown at me and it took two or three before I realized they were harmless. When it happens to you you don't know what they are, but every cell in your body flips to "fight or flight."

But...

He shot the kid while the kid was running AWAY. And that is not a valid "Self-defense" defense in any state. You do not shoot at a retreating opponent.

No matter how in favor of gun rights you are (and I am very much in favor of them), you have to accept that this sort of thing is going to happen more in an armed society than a disarmed society.


25 Post contains images phatfarmlines : The "Stand your ground" law will get tested in the courts again, and I think this time, it will lose due to the circumstances noted above.
26 Maverick623 : There are circumstances where you can legally shoot someone in the back, as long as you feel they're an active threat to you or someone else (but you
27 DocLightning : Yeah, if they're on the ground going for your ankles or a few other isolated circumstances. If your opponent is retreating, you do not fire. End of s
28 Mudboy : Two of my friends, one that I used to be on SRT/SWAT with, have shot someone in the ass. Both were running away and firing back bent over. One was an
29 Post contains images Aaron747 : That sounds like justice to me, especially after running around where CHILDREN are present shooting wildly over a pissant gang argument. In Bay Area
30 KiwiRob : Should a person in that state of mind be allowed to own or carry a loaded firearm, they are a ticking timebomb and a danger to themselves and the gen
31 Post contains images MD11Engineer : No Halloween around here, but in this region of Germany, during the night of April 30th to May 1st, traditionally teenagers take all kinds of stuff wh
32 Mir : Which is why there need to be very harsh penalties for stuff like this. -Mir
33 ajd1992 : At least it'll show that doing what you think is "funny" doesn't always end well. I don't think for a minute he deserved to be killed for it but you c
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