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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3974 times:

Well folks, I've just returned from reading LTBEWR's epic election thread and I have a headache. It's like all the negative energy and mudslinging cast in both directions has reached new highs (lows?), and quite frankly, it's depressing. No one's convincing anyone of anything and people are only pissing each other off. To listen to some of the comments would have you believe that America is a land of backwater hillbilly webbed-feet halfbreeds, while Vladimir Lenin himself (with his commie/alien/poof entourage) has taken up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania.

Maybe that's fine for most of you, but for me, it's depressing. Maybe I'm weak, but I don't enjoy being called names, and don't believe differing ideologies can be broken down into such simplistic characteristics. It's easy, and even tempting, to reduce the argument into "you believe this? You must be stupid." I fall victim to it too. But we all know that's simply not the case. If it were that simple, well, there wouldn't be any debate at all.

So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity. Will it get more than two replies? Doubtful, perhaps. But I'm growing more disillusioned with the partisan insult-fests than I am with the political ideology that differs from my own. I know there have to be others who feel the same way. I can't see how an insult-fest can be healthy.

I have faith in the A.net crowd. NONE of us would be here save a common bond--the love of airplanes and air travel. We all have at least that in common. And I bet if you stuck all of us up on a hill overlooking an airport, we'd all get along--and probably like each other, to boot.

I love my country. I respect my President and my Congress, even though I may disagree with them. And I know I'm not alone.


I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity. Will it get more than two replies? Doubtful, perhaps. But I'm growing more disillusioned with the partisan insult-fests than I am with the political ideology that differs from my own. I know there have to be others who feel the same way. I can't see how an insult-fest can be healthy.

In a way it is. Should we have less name calling? Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18681 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3950 times:



And this has nothing to do with sanity, but it popped up on the GIS:


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4975 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

Theoretically, yes. However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Sex sells. So does screaming, but sanity doesn't.

It's quite intriguing to watch people tear each other apart over politics, yet at the same time slightly disconcerting.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

It's important to be passionate about politics; I am passionate about my politics (even though politics in my country is extremely depressing). However, to my, passionate about politics means being passionate about the issues; once we allow ourselves to be distracted by personal issues or diverted into negative personal comments, it's a form of surrender; "you're a leftie, a commie lover, a gay sympathiser, or whatever else" does not lend anything to politics; we need to keep that in focus. No good will come of that. It won't make whatever political goals or aspirations (and here, I mean aspirations towards particular policies, rather than personal political aspirations) come any closer; if anything, lowering ourselves to personal attacks is a form of surrender; I can't think of anything in response to your comment about my idea, so I say, "you're fat/ugly/a hick" etc; very piquant and astute. Not.

I applaud this thread; I think it is important to recognise that we have differences, but we are bright, able and intelligent people; we should be able to share our ideas without resorting to offence.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
have faith in the A.net crowd. NONE of us would be here save a common bond--the love of airplanes and air travel.

Absolutely - and let's take that a little further: although I know a bit about aviation (after nearly 30 years of interest, I should!), but I know that there are people who know a lot more and I'm often amazed by the depth of knowledge; does the fact that people know more than me about my favourite subject lessen the fun and passion for me? Absolutely not; we share knowledge and gain knowledge; why should it be any different in this forum or thread?


User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

I have had a trying day today  ...I'm not even back in teh States...and I had to watch the Dems lose big  . It was one of those blah days. Didnt finish as much studying as I wanted to either  . The election thread on here didnt help either lol. I just get frustrated when people vote or believe in things or people that are against their interests. I think now we all need to take a chill pill and relax...and then fight another day, hehe. Im really sure if we all met in person, we'd be talking about planes the whole time  

User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

I'm sick and tired of all the name calling good for nothing idiots that do nothing more than argue around here!

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

Sez who?   



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.

This is s message board not congress.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 7):
Sez who

You to have faith Kev!


User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1140 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

To a certain extent a forum which brings together a broad cross-section of people (all different from one another aside from sharing a passion for, in this case, aviation) will mirror what's going on in the outside world whatever happens.

As an outsider, the image I have of the United States is of a country which is becoming increasingly politically polarised, and so it's little surprise to me that this is reflected in the posting here. Also, I may be wrong here, but I've noticed, in the years I've been an active member here, a shift away from the global and towards a more US-centric board. I would suggest that these two factors have combined to result in the situation we have here now; the US-focused topics are more turbulent, and there's less to balance that out, either through the perspective of alternative viewpoints in those topics, or through the presence of non-US topics in non-aviation.

I have to say, despite the fact that I sometimes (often?) despair at the tendency of the British public to accept stoically whichever misfortune is laid upon them by actors on the political stage, that I'm glad that British politics hasn't got to this stage. It seems to me that the notion of consensus or common ground in the US is melting away, to the point at which I wonder whether opposing viewpoints are now found where there need be none, simply for the sake of avoiding the new political faux-pas of agreeing with the other side. In many ways I think it's a dangerous situation, as it could start (if it hasn't already) diffusing into life beyond the political scene; if people no longer find any common ground with each other, who's to say that communities won't start to break down?



Have you ever felt like you could float into the sky / like the laws of physics simply don't apply?
User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5327 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.


There's a difference between airing out differences and shouting disingenuous insults and slurs past each other. I feel that the rhetoric both here on a.net and in the political atmosphere writ large has gone the latter route and I feel that this type of discourse is unsustainable.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18681 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):

Theoretically, yes. However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.

And furthermore, calling a President who is Left-Centrist in this country and Right-Centrist in most of Europe a "Marxist" and "Communist" and "Socialist" and accusing him of "attacking your freedoms" by, among other things, ensuring that people pay into their health insurance so that they don't steal medical services from hospitals and doctors when they get sick is hardly constructive.

But I'm quite happy about the election results. The GOP didn't, in spite of Boehner's bluster, get a "mandate." If they'd gotten a Mandate they would have gotten more than a 20-seat lead in the 435-seat house, not to mention they would have taken the Senate. To put it in terms of numbers, they have a less-than 5% lead. Compare this to the 9% lead that the Democrats had during the last two years and it's not so impressive.

In fact, it's less than impressive. Historically, a President loses both houses during the mid-term elections. It didn't happen this time because voters are still suspicious of a GOP that sank the country into one of the worst economic disasters since 1929 these last ten years. But voters are also frustrated with a DNC that can't seem to pull off an economic recovery and that keeps increasing the national debt without any tangible benefit. In fact, even today the Fed sank another $600Bn into buying bonds. It makes my blood boil. BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THAT MONEY, DAMNIT!

The GOP has taken this to mean a "mandate" and that the voters want more obstructionism, not less. I think they are about to find out that they are sorely mistaken.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 10):
I feel that this type of discourse is unsustainable.

It has be going on since the beginning of time. Doubt it is going anywhere.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The GOP has taken this to mean a "mandate" and that the voters want more obstructionism, not less. I think they are about to find out that they are sorely mistaken.

With all due respect, we just witnessed the largest swing in the House in the history of the U.S., and several lost seats in the Senate. Not to mention and equally as important, the GOP picked up a ton of Governors seats. I've not witnessed anything from the GOP claiming a mandate as the Democrats did two years ago. This absolutely was a referendum against Obama/Democrats policies. You wouldn't see that mind boggling pickups in the House and Governors if that were not the case.



We often judge others by their actions, but ourselves by our intentions.
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):

And the bickering begins.  
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

No it's not. What problems are we solving by being at each other's throats all of the time? What problem's are we solving by becoming increasingly polarized? What problems are we solving by hurling accusations and calling each other names across the aisle?

The fact of the matter is that political discourse in this country is at an all time low, and that is not solving anyone's issues. Both parties are working for themselves and for their interests, but certainly not for the good of the average American. Until we can move past hurling insults, we won't be solving any of our issues.

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
but sanity doesn't.

Exactly, which is why I don't watch any of the talking heads no matter which side of the aisle they may sit on. They are all loud, boorish, annoying, and crude. Viewers don't watch when the shows are civil, they watch when insults are flying and voices are raised.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
It has be going on since the beginning of time.

Not this bad. As I've said before, discourse in this country is currently in the toilet. It has not been this bad in the past.



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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):
This absolutely was a referendum against Obama/Democrats policies.

Perhaps, but just because it was a rebuke of Obama and the Democrats does not mean it was an endorsement of the GOP.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):

With all due respect, we just witnessed the largest swing in the House in the history of the U.S
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...of_Representatives_elections,_1948

Actually, that election was. This one was close, no doubt (in fact the biggest swing since '48), but not the biggest ever.



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
To put it in terms of numbers, they have a less-than 5% lead. Compare this to the 9% lead that the Democrats had during the last two years and it's not so impressive

When the democratic party asssumed the leadership in the 2006 elections they only picked up 33 seats. In yesterdays elections the GOP picked up 62 seats. That is a 14% swing which no matter how you view is pretty huge.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Historically, a President loses both houses during the mid-term elections.

According to whom?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
In fact, even today the Fed sank another $600Bn into buying bonds. It makes my blood boil. BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THAT MONEY, DAMNIT!

You ought to be but for different reasons than infrastructure. They are playing with inflation fire and if it gets out of control everyone will suffer.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The GOP has taken this to mean a "mandate" and that the voters want more obstructionism, not less. I think they are about to find out that they are sorely mistaken.

How exactly are you "obstructionist" if you are the majority party in one part of Congress and in the other at near parity?


To the topic of the thread. The rules of the forum are clear. Moderators need only apply them fairly and firmly and the most egregious violators either get suspended or outright removed.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
In a way it is. Should we have less name calling? Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

But there is nothing positive happening. All that occurs is that you all call each other names, threads get locked or posts get deleted - and nothing good ever happens.


User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9395 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
It's important to be passionate about politics

That doesn't apply to everyone. I'm certainly not passionate about politics.

I'm passionate about my personal views. But those are my personal beliefs, and have nothing to do with politics. Once things turn political, I lose most interest.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity. Will it get more than two replies? Doubtful, perhaps. But I'm growing more disillusioned with the partisan insult-fests than I am with the political ideology that differs from my own. I know there have to be others who feel the same way. I can't see how an insult-fest can be healthy.

Why do we need a place of sanity now? Why not last year, or 2 years ago, or next year?

The political threads here have long been rather idiotic and pointless. Certainly no different now that it was a year ago.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
It has be going on since the beginning of time. Doubt it is going anywhere.

  

Ultimately, if you don't like the political threads, don't participate in them!



"Two and a Half Men" was filmed in front of a live ostrich.
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity.

I take it we should discuss the election, just without the yelling. Here's my take: As a libertarian, it's hard to get involved at all, because it all just comes down to Dem vs GOP. But I like the results of the election because it brings things into balance. I hate it when one party has a majority in Congress and has the White House. So a Dem president, a narrowly-divided Senate, and a GOP House... I'm all for it.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

I noticed that the thread I started about yesterday's USA elections was the springboard for this thread.

I would suggest that this forum does have mechanisms to control certain excesses. At times, threads on certain subjects, most notably about Israel and Islamic related issues in recent months, have been removed or locked by the Administrators due to excessively combative and personal attacks or attacks upon faith. Some posts in threads have been removed due to similar issues by the moderators or upon recommendation of other members. I have had a few posts deleted over the years I have been here due to poor choices of words and were challenging to the rules.

I would like to see less negative name calling of certain persons, groups, countries. Less displays of ignorance. More displays of honorable disagreement.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 23):

I would like to see less negative name calling of certain persons, groups, countries. Less displays of ignorance. More displays of honorable disagreement.

You are expecting way too much for an internet forum. Heck, a.nut is extremely civilized compared to some unmentionable boards out there.


User currently offlineAphonic From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 97 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
Maybe that's fine for most of you, but for me, it's depressing. Maybe I'm weak, but I don't enjoy being called names, and don't believe differing ideologies can be broken down into such simplistic characteristics. It's easy, and even tempting, to reduce the argument into "you believe this? You must be stupid." I fall victim to it too. But we all know that's simply not the case. If it were that simple, well, there wouldn't be any debate at all

Got good news for yah JBirdAV8 and it's this simple: Yesterday, American citizens fought back, you know... the ones that were told they were racists and or stupid for not supporting Obama's radical agenda . Middle America told Obama and those that backed his skyrocketing deficit policies, wasteful spending and corrupt handling of healthcare to go fly a kite... Republicans gaining over 60 House seats, the most since the 1940's made a strong statement that America does not approve of Obama's corrupt ways and his total lack of understanding of what makes America great. Obama has been the most un-presidential, inexperienced, inflammatory and hyper partisan president in decades, possibly in history. He has not united, he has divided the nation. One of the many examples of Obama dividing American and how he sees the US was his very recent Latino comment, made just weeks ago. He was also ignorent enough to say: "Republicans to sit at the back of the bus". Does that sound like real leader? No way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnnwJ1rgCnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Fyh_RhHaA

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Theoretically, yes. However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.

The difference is Scorpio, the far left along with many far left media outlets are flat out vile and ruthless. They slander and ridicule their opposition while promoting Obama and his policies, being dishonest far too often. The right is much more benign in nature and more accommodating in regard to fair and open debate. The NPR scandal is just one of many examples of the Liberal media "my way or the highway" mentality where they slander and besmirch you if you do not see things as they do which is what they did to liberal Juan Williams because he worked at Fox and befriended many of his Foxnews colleagues. NPR CEO Vivian Schiller made a derogatory comment insinuating Juan Williams needs a psychiatrist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdyALyV40Y

Obama being elected president is additional proof the vast majority of the US media is liberal and unfairly biased. Because honest media would have pointed out Obama's many defects, i.e. his gross inexperience, his disdain for America and whites people which is what Foxnews did and were accused of being racists for telling the truth. You may not like Beck, but his rally was civil, pro-American and educational. Stewarts rally was a rock concert slash comedy show, completely void of any significance. It was and you said Scorpio, "entertainment".



I'm not racist you ANUS. Obama's spending is heinous
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 25):
his disdain for America

Your post was well-written with points well taken until you inserted that little nugget. Once again - NOBODY becomes President, wears the flag on their lapel, and sends their wife out to do TV commercials on behalf of military families if they hate America. Period.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
25 Mir : If you're going to quote him, do so properly. He never said that. Utter BS. I'm not going to go through a list of how vile, ruthless and flat-out dis
26 Post contains links Aphonic : Seriously, thanks. They can if the vast majority of the media covers for him which is what they did. I just think Obama's been tainted by so many of
27 Aphonic : -Mir, I provided examples to back up my accusations, you have not. Instead you choose to make smarmy remarks. Why did republicans pick up over 60 hous
28 ER757 : Not to send this thread wildly off topic, but was it OK when Michael Steele said "we're going to win in November and Nancy Pelosi will have to sit at
29 Post contains images dxing : So much for the "Sanity" thread. Took all of 29 posts.
30 Aphonic : It was a retort to Obama's republicans need to sit in the back comment, a jest! I maintained my sanity and was civil. But it appears folks like Mir a
31 Baroque : Funny thing is I was just told how he was the soul of calm reason. Different views of the same speech. Is that cloud really out at sea.? I have a ver
32 dxing : Must be the language barrier again. I was told just the other day that Australians had "mandatory" voting when someone else told me it wasn't true no
33 Post contains links Mir : You quoted Obama as saying that Republicans should sit at "the back of the bus". He never said that. Rather, he was talking about the back seat of a
34 DocLightning : In fact, he did. He did not campaign agressively enough for the Democrats. But in addition, he has gone about repairing the economy in entirely the w
35 seb146 : What really irritates me is when I express my opinion, I am called all sorts of names including evil liberal, terrorist, communist, un-American. Just
36 Quokka : "You...." "Did not." "Did too." "Well so did you" "Did not.." "I's your fault." "Is not." "'Tis too." "Yes but you started it." "Did not." "Did too."
37 NIKV69 : I think we are embellishing because if a member here calls you this in a post they are banned quite quickly. Posts like that don't last long at all.
38 Post contains images KevinL1011 : Thought I'd check in since my last post to see how peace, harmony and respect was going. Pretty sad state of affairs here. I think the only place you
39 Post contains images Baroque : Thanks Mir, I have been wondering what it was all about. Quite amusing really. And suddenly, as we’re about to get in the car, we feel this tap on
40 Post contains links san747 : I would love to see that too, though I also agree with Fly2HMO when he says this- Lewis Black explains perfectly what you mean in this video from 0:2
41 Zentraedi : Yeah, that's why I can't stand the infotainment news in the US. No, I'm not going to watch the spastics on Fox or MSNBC. Give a calm, rational discus
42 san747 : In addition, the Hobby Forum has the FS Screenshot thread(s), which are by far my favorite on this site! With all due respect, Nick, do you always do
43 Post contains images tugger : I believe it is just that people do not control themselves in the anonymity that exists here. Maybe some "can't" but I think most people here could c
44 flanker : Kind of difficult to keep your sanity when the president decides to spend 2 billion in 10 days overseas.
45 Post contains images Baroque : True. Am I imaging matters or do the aspects of which you write (says he rewriting that in neutral form) have a certain geographical concentration in
46 Post contains images Scorpio : I believe the OP was specifically about people like YOU, Aphonic. The ones who really haven't quite figured out yet that in a situation like this, BO
47 AGM100 : Last time I checked ....you still have to select and enter a topic of interest on this forum ? So .... don't enter a political thread if you don't wan
48 D L X : It's not that I don't want to read it, it's that you can expect that some posters will crap all over it, and drown out the intelligent discussions of
49 NIKV69 : The youtube vids are better! So know people that have a different view than yours is not intelligent? Priceless. Again it's a message board here not
50 D L X : Perfect example about crapping all over the thread right here. Do you ever notice that some posters are always the first to respond to these threads?
51 NIKV69 : You just undermined your own argument by the doing the same thing and of course name calling. Good job.
52 nz1 : Hi Everyone, Due to the amount of posts that have had to be removed for violation of the forum rules, it is probably best to wrap this one up. Nothing
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