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Has Mitch McConnell Gone Off The Deep End?  
User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1556 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Last night, my insomnia was acting up, and I was watching World News Now on ABC. They were showing a clip of Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) speaking before a group. In part, he said that Republicans need to work against President Obama to insure that he is a one term President. Now, call me stupid, call me naieve, but Barack Obama was elected by the American people to serve as President for a four year term. Although he is a Democrat and the House of Representatives is now run by the Republicans, isn't it more important for both sides to work together for the common good of the people, and compromise where necessary?

If he feels that the President is doing a less then stellar job, he can try to get the Republican nod, and challenge Obama in November 2012.

Marc

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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2744 times:
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Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
isn't it more important for both sides to work together for the common good of the people, and compromise where necessary?

In an ideal world, that would be the way to go, but this isn't an ideal world and the campaign for the 2012 presidential elections started November 3.

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
he can try to get the Republican nod, and challenge Obama in November 2012.

That is exactly what he is doing, minus the bit about getting the nod. Why wait until the convention...



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

I am not the biggest fan of McConnell but I have to give him credit for he doesn't play this game about working together. See the Dems idea of "working together" means it's our way or the highway. McConnell knows the other night was the people of this country saying stop what is happening and that Obama has to change the course. McConnell just doesn't sugarcoat it like many other Reps. Obama has to extend the tax cuts and he has to announce it now so confidence begins to grow and people start spending again. We basically have to wait till after this summit when they all meet and see what comes of it but I don't see much of anything happening.

[Edited 2010-11-05 08:27:19]

User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
If he feels that the President is doing a less then stellar job, he can try to get the Republican nod, and challenge Obama in November 2012.


Seems to me that Obama started running for President as soon as he was elected to the Senate. And that was two years before President Bush's term was up!

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
isn't it more important for both sides to work together for the common good of the people, and compromise where necessary?


The magic words are "for the common good". What Obama thinks are "for the common good" are different than what the Republicans think is "for the common good"

The American voters looked at Obama's ideas of "for the common good" and rejected it with a resounding defeat of Democrats in the mid-term elections.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
If he feels that the President is doing a less then stellar job, he can try to get the Republican nod, and challenge Obama in November 2012.

Don't think there aren't people already working on President Obama's 2012 campaign? Think again.

http://barackobama-2012.blogspot.com/

http://obama-in-2012.com/

Now those are just blogspots and not official in anyway but you'd have to be foolish to believe that there isn't a working group devising strategy, making contacts, and getting ready for 2012.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 3):
Seems to me that Obama started running for President as soon as he was elected to the Senate. And that was two years before President Bush's term was up!

Nope, he actually did 1 month in the Senate before he seriously started running.


As to the topic, Sen. McConnell has also said that where the President agrees with the people the GOP will work with him, where he opposes the peoples will, the GOP will work to defeat his ideas legislatively. These lines that keep getting thrown out there are just completely out of context and being used soley to try and make the GOP look as if they are just out to get the President at any expense when in reality it is the policies of the past Congress as well as the President that they seek to repair or repeal.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
See the Dems idea of "working together" means it's our way or the highway.

That also applies to the right-wingers. Remember all the filibusters? "We are not going to vote on this because we are the minority."

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Obama has to extend the tax cuts and he has to announce it now so confidence begins to grow and people start spending again.

Because spending has been so furious over the past how many years?

Quoting 474218 (Reply 3):
The American voters looked at Obama's ideas of "for the common good" and rejected it with a resounding defeat of Democrats in the mid-term elections.

Actually, the whole shouting over "no common good" started the second the Dems gained control of the House and has not stopped. IIRC, there were town hall meetings so ALL Congress people could go back to their own district to LISTEN to their people. That would be us. No questions were asked by us. All that was heard was "You lie" and "Death panels" and "you are going to kill gramma" because a few right-wing mouthpices said that was what was going to happen if health care reform passes. Guess what? Health care costs will not rise with no way for us to pay for it. Thanks, right-wing! Free enterprise at work!

I think McConnell sees an opportunity and is using it. He sees he can be an extremist and can get away with it. The right-wing was crying about the socialist ideals of Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi? Welcome to the socialist ideals of Boehner and McConnell!



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 5):
That also applies to the right-wingers. Remember all the filibusters? "We are not going to vote on this because we are the minority

No they did that because the legislation was horrible as was proven by the vote the other night.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 5):
I think McConnell sees an opportunity and is using it. He sees he can be an extremist and can get away with it. The right-wing was crying about the socialist ideals of Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi? Welcome to the socialist ideals of Boehner and McConnell!

I will respond to this with two quotes stolen from your side.

Obama - "Elections matter"

Pelosi - "We won"


Works both ways buddy.


User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
See the Dems idea of "working together" means it's our way or the highway.

And how is that any different from Republicans telling Obama he has to move in their direction before they'll work with him?


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2656 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
Works both ways buddy.

It sure does..

"Mitch McConnell: Rapid health repeal unlikely"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44702.html

WHAT.. things take time? No freaking way. What a failure of leadership. They have had a full 2 days to repeal Obama-care and now they say it will take "time"



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting avent (Reply 7):
And how is that any different from Republicans telling Obama he has to move in their direction before they'll work with him?

Easy they have the people on their side.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
WHAT.. things take time? No freaking way. What a failure of leadership. They have had a full 2 days to repeal Obama-care and now they say it will take "time"

Well Obama is going on that trip and they don't get to sit down with him for two weeks.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2632 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):

Well Obama is going on that trip and they don't get to sit down with him for two weeks.

Excuses.. Get going with what the "Real America" wants you to do.



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User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8285 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

I saw bits of McConnell's speech on TV and, IIRC, he was focused on (1) repealing health care, (2) ending bailouts, (3) cutting spending and (4) shrinking government.

Not a word - not one bloody word - on cutting unemployment, bringing decent paying jobs back, improving the economy, working on the mortgage crisis.

Basically I think McConnell and his ilk are feeling the Tea Party breathing down their necks more than Obama. DeMint is ready to take McConnell's place - and DeMint was handing out a lot of campaign money to the Tea Party.

Right now I think Botox McConnell is simply trying to keep his job.


User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
Quoting avent (Reply 7):
And how is that any different from Republicans telling Obama he has to move in their direction before they'll work with him?

Easy they have the people on their side.

A truly fascinating response that sheds light on why rightwingers are so anti-intellectual. In this case you are espouing a position simply based on a perception it is a majority view and you don't see the implication of such a superficial position. Let me give you a few hints: Your position legitimizes democrats whenever they win, and would make your postings of Obama hypocritical, since by your own standard, he had the people on his side when he got elected - and technically, he still has until his teerm expires. Oh and by the way, it was the majority view at one point that blacks should not drink from the same water fountains as whites, so I'll give you credit for consistency in your affection for AZ's Governer and her rightwing anti-hispanic cronies.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
Not a word - not one bloody word - on cutting unemployment, bringing decent paying jobs back, improving the economy, working on the mortgage crisis.

Not one of those bloody issues is a prerogative of the federal government. It is high time for the federal government to return to its proper role of creating the environment in which the private sector economy can grow rather than command and control our way to prosperity. We are largely in this mess because the feds have been convinced that they can treat a complex economy with billions of individual transactions as one big sim city game.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting avent (Reply 12):
A truly fascinating response that sheds light on why rightwingers are so anti-intellectual. In this case you are espouing a position simply based on a perception it is a majority view and you don't see the implication of such a superficial position.

Yet in 08' you took this exact view and it was ok? Jeez give me a break.   


User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Yet in 08' you took this exact view and it was ok?

Where?


User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5279 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
See the Dems idea of "working together" means it's our way or the highway.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
No they did that because the legislation was horrible as was proven by the vote the other night.

I see you're still doing your part to be names most blindly partisan member of a.net.

Quoting avent (Reply 7):
And how is that any different from Republicans telling Obama he has to move in their direction before they'll work with him?

Duh! Because it was Republicans doing it, ipso facto, it was correct and in the best interests of the country.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
Well Obama is going on that trip and they don't get to sit down with him for two weeks.

Can the excuses. The election was on Tuesday, things should have already changed by now. Obamacare should have been repealed. What a do-nothing bunch of sad sacks these GOP candidates are.



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User currently offlineUNCRDU From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 195 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
Although he is a Democrat and the House of Representatives is now run by the Republicans, isn't it more important for both sides to work together for the common good of the people, and compromise where necessary?

Interesting how the Democrats basically ignored the Republicans for the past 2 years and railroaded unpopular legislation down America's throat, and now once they lost they suddenly want to "compromise" and "work together".

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):

WHAT.. things take time? No freaking way. What a failure of leadership. They have had a full 2 days to repeal Obama-care and now they say it will take "time"

Um, the new leadership doesn't get sworn in until January. They aren't even in Washington yet. Dems are still in control for another month and a half.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 16):
Can the excuses. The election was on Tuesday, things should have already changed by now. Obamacare should have been repealed. What a do-nothing bunch of sad sacks these GOP candidates are.

Well something big has been accomplished. Obama is beginning to fold on the upper tier tax cuts so we are on our way. 2011 will be fun! Can't wait.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8154 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting avent (Reply 12):
A truly fascinating response that sheds light on why rightwingers are so anti-intellectual

What are you talking about man? The GOP is being torn apart precisely because there's a large camp of educated folks and bunch of morons leading the fundie parade. They are not anti-intellectual - the Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, Peggy Noonan and George Will attack parade against Palin was proof enough of that.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting avent (Reply 7):
And how is that any different from Republicans telling Obama he has to move in their direction before they'll work with him?

The democratic leadership was firm in that they would not compromise on anything. That is evident in their behavior and actions. Both Boehner and McConnell have stated that where they can find common ground they will compromise quickly and where they don't the President will have to move in their direction which is not out and out telling them they don't have a chance.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
WHAT.. things take time? No freaking way. What a failure of leadership. They have had a full 2 days to repeal Obama-care and now they say it will take "time"

Nor does the GOP have the Presidency, or 60 seats in the Senate which wipes out the filibuster as the democratic leadership had after the 2008 elections. At best they will be able to defund areas of the health care bill. call the HHS secretary to the Hill repeatedly to explain exactly how certain items in the health care bill will be implemented since it was insisted by Speaker Pelosi that we wouldn't know what was in the bill until it was passed. The best we can hope for is the financial heart of the bill, the mandate to buy health insurance, will be cut out by the courts as being Unconstitutional.


User currently offlineavent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 20):
Quoting avent (Reply 7):
And how is that any different from Republicans telling Obama he has to move in their direction before they'll work with him?

The democratic leadership was firm in that they would not compromise on anything. That is evident in their behavior and actions. Both Boehner and McConnell have stated that where they can find common ground they will compromise quickly and where they don't the President will have to move in their direction which is not out and out telling them they don't have a chance.

I see. So we'll give credit to the party-of-no because we have your assurances they will compromise quickly when they can.

Nah. I'm not that gullible to believe that. (Where's that popcorn again?)


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting avent (Reply 21):
I see. So we'll give credit to the party-of-no because we have your assurances they will compromise quickly when they can.

As of Wednesday's press conference that title had been transferred to the President and Senator Reid. It will be interesting to see how the remaining democratic Senators feel about compromising as 37 of them signed a letter to Reid asking for a vote on extending all the Bush tax cuts prior to leaving to campaign in October.


User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8285 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2484 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
2011 will be fun!

Considering that Senator Botox bas put the 2012 election above the need to build jobs and cut unemployment it isn't going to be fun for a lot of Americans.

But the top 2% income earners might be happy - guess that's all that counts for the conservatives.  


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
isn't it more important for both sides to work together for the common good of the people,

Name just 1 national politician that works for any "good" but his or her own. I assure you there is not a single one Democrat or Republican.



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25 NIKV69 : You keep forgetting many of those top 2% are small businesses that see maybe 35% of that 250k?
26 Ken777 : Remember that the taxes are on the net income, not the gross. And I'll assume that companies pulling in more than $250K a year actually talk to an ac
27 seb146 : When the tea people see the people they elected have done nothing but give trillions of dollars to corporations and, in the end, lose jobs for Americ
28 einsteinboricua : I seem to recall GOP lawmakers who used this idea during this Congress...filibuster anyone? Correction: the current Congress hasn't ended, so Democra
29 Mudboy : Enough with the DEMs are intellectually superior to the GOP, just because they don't represent your views. One might ask the question of how intellec
30 Lufthansa411 : I don't think that is a fair assessment at all. The fact is that there are two main types of politicians, career politicians like McConnell or Obama,
31 dxing : Depends on how they are filing. It could be off the adjusted gross which is different than net. Since the democratic party will still be in the major
32 avent : They can't have it both ways and can't be surprised when their own argument where they smear the Left as being intellectual elites is inverted and us
33 UNCRDU : You mean the people that are building jails for criminals? Oh, the horror.
34 avent : brown-skinned criminals...
35 UNCRDU : The key word here is "criminals". Their skin tone doesn't matter. Many of the LEO's tasked with catching these people are *gasp* brown-skinned as wel
36 Aaron747 : ...but they have sold out because they're working for THE MAN! lol
37 windy95 : Watching the Show Border wars on National geographic I noticed that just about everyone working the border is of Hispanic descent. Seem to toss the w
38 UNCRDU : Yup. The border patrol prefers people who are already fluent in Spanish; it saves them a heck of a lot in training. They also have an elite unite tha
39 Post contains images avent : How liberal of you to imply only whites can be racist!
40 Post contains images Aaron747 : So Latino-Americans targeting illegal border crossers from Mexico can be referred to as racist?
41 avent : Not my argument really one way or the other. It was UNCRDU who seemed to think that racially motivated acts cannot occur against hispanics simply bec
42 UNCRDU : Enforcing the law is racist now? I must have missed the memo.
43 WarRI1 : Do I detect something in the use of Herr, not Sheriff Joe Arpio as his legal title? This man is not breaking the law, he is enforcing the law, and su
44 avent : If a law is intrinsically racist, enforcing it becomes a racist act. What I find wrong about it is it targets a specific minority (hispanics) through
45 dxing : Then it would also target white hookers who are street walking. But not illegal aliens. Only if they are blocking traffic on a public roadway accordi
46 avent : As usual, you miss the blindingly obvious.
47 Aaron747 : Racist - most. overused. political. criticism. buzzword. EVER.
48 UNCRDU : Agreed. Our immigration laws are not, however. "Don't come across illegally" applies to everyone-white, black, purple, and yes, brown.
49 avent : At the Federal level yes, but at the SB1070 level, the law most certainly has racist overtones.
50 avent : I agree, and only reluctantly argue the point.
51 dxing : Is it or is it not just as targeting as it is written on white hookers standing on the corner trying to pick up johns? The same legislation could be
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