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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3362 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Yes, I'm currently an undergrad student in his 4th year of a 5 year degree (engineering). A friend of mine got into a fraternity and at the time I thought it was meaningless. I mean, what would I gain from it apart from a few friends? But then yesterday, I had an activity with the Tau Beta Pi (engineering honor society) and one of my teammates in that activity belongs to a fraternity and kinda explained that fraternities are not really as bad as they are portrayed, and even though many frats go wild, they respect your privacy and don't force you to do anything you don't want to do. And that kinda got me to think if joining a fraternity could be a good experience for me. This teammate told me about the social aspect of it, and since I have a BIG void in anything social, I'm considering giving it a shot.

But I want opinions regarding this. If you belong to a fraternity, any advice or stories you'd like to share? If you're not a frat, what's your story for not being one?


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
what would I gain from it apart from a few friends?

PAID friends. Once you're out of college I betcha you'll never hear from the majority of them again.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
are not really as bad as they are portrayed

HA! I've been to plenty of frat parties and believe me, they are bad.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
I'm considering giving it a shot.

Seriously, there are much MUCH better ways to socialize. I got invited to so many frat parties I was basically one of them. But I avoided all the bullshit and drama, getting thrown into jail for DUIs and underage drinking, hazing (yes, it still happens) etc etc by being a GDI (god damn independent, as the greeks call the rest of the world   )

As for sororities, my ex was a Delta Gamma (big mistake    ) The stories she told me about what her sisters would do were quite disgusting. It was becuase of her I got to party with the Greeks, I was probably one of the few GDIs they didn't mind to see in parties.

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Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
If you're not a frat, what's your story for not being one?

There's nothing that a frat could offer to me that I couldn't achieve by myself. There are a handful of frats that I know of that are more down to earth and not as messy but they're in the minority, and tend to be the weird ultra-nerdy/weirdo type of congregations. Forget which were the letters though.

In summary, I wouldn't bother if I were you.


User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
Once you're out of college I betcha you'll never hear from the majority of them again.

I keep in touch with many of my sorority sisters.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
Tau Beta Pi (engineering honor society)

Greek letter honor societies are quite different from the social greek letter fraternities.


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
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I was in a Fraternity in college and never thought I would be... but it was the best experience of my life. As IAirallie said, there is a big difference between lettered honor societies and social Fraternity. I was in a social Fraternity and sure we had our animal house moments... but we respected each other, had great parties and I was and will always get wonderful networking opportunities. I've never thought of it as "paying for friends" although some people say that. Those people are ignorant and have taken no time to look beyond the stereotypes portrayed by the media. I am grateful for my lifelong association to my Fraternity and the people I keep in touch with the most now that I'm out of college are my brothers. If you commit, you do so for life - but if you've done your homework and rush a fraternity you really feel is a good fit for you (and they give you a bid and you pass pledging), then you are making a great decision.

Pledging taught me to grow up, my brothers constantly make me a better person, we had incredible parties, I made tons of friends (in and out of Greek organizations but through my Fraternity association)... and I'll have my brothers for life.

And for the record, dues are mostly to cover the cost that insurance companies require Greek organizations to have.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting iairallie (Reply 2):
Greek letter honor societies are quite different from the social greek letter fraternities.

Yeah they are completely different things altogether.

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 3):
Those people are ignorant and have taken no time to look beyond the stereotypes portrayed by the media.

So all the first hand accounts of questionable frat/sorority activities I heard were fairy tales? Right.  


Anyways, this is as controversial as Mac vs PC or Libs vs. conservatives A vs B etc etc.


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2621 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4):
So all the first hand accounts of questionable frat/sorority activities I heard were fairy tales? Right.

No, not fairy tales. But you didn't specify - you just lumped it all together into saying that you pay for friends who you wont keep in touch with after college. And that's an ignorant thing to say.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Different fraternities are different - even the same frat on different campuses.

Basically it gets down to deciding to join a group you are comfortable with - at whatever school you're going to.

There is an obvious difference between the honor and social organizations, but you are allowed to be in both.

My advice -if you feel comfortable in the house and with the members then you shouldn't worry about joining. GIve it a try. I still have friends from those days, but I still have a good friend from my days in the Navy also.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Does your school have housing cooperatives? A lot like fraternities without all of the self-congratulatory bullstool.

User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5614 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

There were houses on campus I would never have considered associating with (and, most likely, they'd have had no interest in me either); I joined one which had people I liked, and they were a fine bunch - helped me develop social skills I was certainly not getting in the dorms.

Now, nearly thirty years (God, I feel old) after my last college fraternity party, a significant number of those old brothers are still friends (and we've buried a few, as well), and to this day, I could call up most any of my contemporaries in a time of need, and they'd help.

If you find a group like that, then yes, a fraternity can be a grand thing.

Or, you can just take a crap on all of them, say you're "buying friends" and other meaningless tripe. Visit a few, keep an open mind, and if they don't suit, don't join.



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User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 3):
I've never thought of it as "paying for friends" although some people say that. Those people are ignorant and have taken no time to look beyond the stereotypes portrayed by the media.

I always thought the paying for friends criticism was lame. You aren't paying for the friends you are paying for the activities you do with those friends, paying for the organizational costs (housing, insurance etc.), and paying for programing like leadership workshops and networking opportunites.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 5):
And that's an ignorant thing to say.

Painting with a wide brush, if anything.


User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 10):

Painting with a wide brush, if anything.

Which is by definition ignorant


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting iairallie (Reply 11):
Which is by definition ignorant

Oh really?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

I am anything BUT uninformed on the matter. I partied more than enough with frat kids and sorostitutes and I believe have a much better idea of how they really are than your average GDI. Granted the chapters I hung out with were known for being amongst the most rowdy.

At any rate, the OP should mingle with them as much before committing with them if he wants to get a better idea. If he likes it, good, if not, good.


User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 13):
At any rate, the OP should mingle with them as much before committing with them if he wants to get a better idea. If he likes it, good, if not, good.

That is actually good advice.


User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10331 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

I'll preface this by saying to each his/her own. I don't care whether you like frats/sororities or not, or whether you are/were a member of one. It doesn't matter to me. I also assume you don't care about my opinions of them.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
If you're not a frat, what's your story for not being one?

No interest. Frats don't have the best image at USC....at least in my opinion. Very clique-y and such, and generally filled with guys I would characterize as douchebags.

I already had brothers (3 of them), and I already had good friends from high school, and made more good friends in college. I'm still very close to my friends from both high school and college.

There were plenty of non-frat parties to go to, and generally plenty to do (I'm pretty easily amused in that respect anyway - I'd happily hang out on our apartment balcony at night, drink some beer, smoke some cigarettes, philosophize, and have a grand old time).

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
HA! I've been to plenty of frat parties and believe me, they are bad.

Bad, perhaps. But generally fun!

However, I would NEVER want to live in a house where they have parties like that.



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User currently offlinekstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

I had a thread about this same exact thing a little while ago, and a huge argument ensued. You might be able to get some information by searching for it on here...

Anyway, I am a junior at my university and joined a fraternity my freshman year. My senior year of high school consisted of me saying to myself that I would never under any circumstance join a fraternity. However, after my last campus visit I unexpectedly was invited to take a house tour of the fraternity I am in now. At the beginning I didn't give it a chance, but after an hour or so of visiting, it opened my eyes a little bit, and by the end, I was interested. And no, they didn't give me alcohol to get me interested, they gave me the facts, and showed me why Greek life was important to them.

It was the best decision I had ever made. I've met people who were in the same position I was about fraternities and have enjoyed them. It's not for everyone, but GIVING IT A CHANCE was the one thing that allowed me to see what opportunities there are.


Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
PAID friends. Once you're out of college I betcha you'll never hear from the majority of them again.

"Betcha?" Don't assume what you don't know. Just like being in high school, you keep with the people you were closer to than the ones you didn't. I graduated with 550 other people, and when I go back home, I spend most of my time with 10 to 20. Same sort of situation...

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
HA! I've been to plenty of frat parties and believe me, they are bad.

Depends on the ones you go to. From your experiences, you went to the ones that characterize the stereotype that Greek life is struggling to put away. I've been to those, but I've also been to some awesome parties that weren't crazy, but fun in general.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 13):
I partied more than enough with frat kids and sorostitutes and I believe have a much better idea of how they really are than your average GDI.

First things first, I hate it when people use the words "frat" and "sorostitute." "Frat" is exactly what you are describing in your posts. A FRATERNITY is different. A fraternity is a group of men who come together and want to be a part of a brotherhood. A "frat" is that stereotype of drinking, hazing, etc, that people like myself hate to even think about. In regards to "sorostitute", I am appalled that you use that word. I really am. If you think being in a sorority and paying for sex have anything in common, that's a huge problem.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 13):
Granted the chapters I hung out with were known for being amongst the most rowdy.

This would be the reason why your experiences have sucked. Find a chapter who balances out involvement on campus with the fun side of college, and you might have a better outlook on it.

To the OP, please consider them. If they aren't right for you, then they aren't. If you have any other questions, ask them, and you will get a good response.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting kstateinALB (Reply 16):
A fraternity is a group of men who come together and want to be a part of a brotherhood.

Yeah yeah I know you all have the same slogan     

Quoting kstateinALB (Reply 16):
In regards to "sorostitute", I am appalled that you use that word. I really am. If you think being in a sorority and paying for sex have anything in common, that's a huge problem.

You think that's appalling? I'll have you know my ex referred to herself, and her sisters, as sorostitutes. And every time she'd call or greet one of her sisters she'd say like "Hey hooker!" and other pretty sleazy stuff like that. I wish I was kidding. Everything I know about Greeks is thanks to her and mingling with these groups. Can't believe I was naive enough to have such a skank for a GF   

Anyways, the Greeks in my school (different school and state altogether than my ex's) *seemed* more laid back and less scandalous, though I didn't really get to hang with the ones at my school. But I attribute that mostly to my school being a tiny university in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

[Edited 2010-11-06 23:55:39]

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 15):
generally filled with guys I would characterize as douchebags.

  

At my school (a really small liberal arts school), the fraternities and sororities are just cliquey groups that have some false sense of love and/or hate toward each other all for two or three Greek letters. The fraternities are good for nothing except providing booze to people (including minors) and just generally being tools. The sororities (including the aforementioned "sorostitutes") just associate with the fraternities for the parties and booze.

They all have individuals that are very nice, but more often than not, Greek life takes somebody who was nice, and turns them into who the fraternity/sorority wants them to be (which is to say: not very nice).

It all seems really superficial, under the guise of deep camaraderie/brotherhood/sisterhood.

  

Definitely not for me.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Fraternities and sororities have always reminded me of the clique groups in Junior High and High school. I use to work with girls and guys that were in them, and heard more than I wanted to. Just turned me off even more than I already was! Especially when the sorority girls were going on about how when you were new, you had to spend something like four days locked up in the house together, and then, for the next month you weren't allowed to socialize with anybody else at the school that wasn't in the club, otherwise you'd get in trouble. Like shunned or something? They called the new recruits their "little's" How lame is that crap? It's like, how old are you? Are you guys really "adults?"

I heard stuff just as ridiculous from the frat guys. And the guys and gals I met that were in these groups,were pretty boring, too. They all reminded me of people in the "popular crowd" in high school. And more times that not, those people are dumb as a brick, insecure as hell, and aren't very interesting. Plus, the children that were in those clubs always seemed to think they were better, or more elite than the average student that wasn't in their clubs. It's like the only wanted to associate with other people in theirs, or other clubs. I thought that was ridiculous as well?

So yeah, I think those groups are pretty lame. I wouldn't want to be part of them. I think about 80% of being in them is just about partying a lot, and having sex with as many people as possible. Nothing wrong with that when you're young, but why need some kind of retarded club that's pretty much like social circles in junior high? You can do that without one. And at least concerning sex, refraining from Greek life, you're probably not as likely to get exposed to as many of the STD's being traded around when everybody's banging everybody else at the parties every weekend?









[Edited 2010-11-07 01:24:40]

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting kstateinALB (Reply 16):
I had a thread about this same exact thing a little while ago, and a huge argument ensued. You might be able to get some information by searching for it on here...

I knew there were a couple of threads, but I used the search bar and nothing came up.

For the record, I think only the sororities are the ones that have houses here. There's a little street with big houses and about two or three are sorority houses. In the event I decide to join a fraternity, I still wouldn't go live with them if they had a house.

[Edited 2010-11-07 05:47:11]


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User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 15):
l preface this by saying to each his/her own. I don't care whether you like frats/sororities or not, or whether you are/were a member of one. It doesn't matter to me. I also assume you don't care about my opinions of them.

SO uh why waste your time posting on a thread where the OP specifically asked....

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
But I want opinions regarding this.
Quoting kstateinALB (Reply 16):
I am appalled that you use that word.

Yeah he uses it alot and it seems to me like it is a violation of the rules but he gets away with it.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 17):
Can't believe I was naive enough to have such a skank for a GF

So you picked a crappy girl. But to judge an entire international organization on the basis of one person is pretty stupid.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 20):
I still wouldn't go live with them if they had a house.

[Edited 2010-11-07 05:47:11]

Double check then because some greek organizations require that you live in the house for a semester. I loved living in my sorority house. It was a fantastic experience.


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

"Skanks", "Greeks", "Sororitutes", "frats".
What a weird language and one that has me totally lost. At the UWA there are residential colleges but one doesn't need to be a member of an organisation to live in one. They are generally there to benefit students from country districts, although any student may apply and fees are charged for residence. There is a Guild but that is more in the nature of a student union. Membership is voluntary, but the Guild does provide various social and sporting activities, as well as promoting student interests in general. But this doesn't appear to be what is under discussion.

I assume that they must be incorporated bodies with eternal succession, but do fraternities and sororities provide anything other than housing and partying opportunities to members? Some posters have mentioned "networking opportunities" but do they offer things like representation in campus disciplinary matters or can they make submissions to bodies determining tertiary education policy or funding? Are they purely private bodies to provide a social life to members while sharing accommodation or do they offer wider services?

And why "Greek"? OK, some seem to have such esoteric names like Tau Sigma Omega or whatever, but is there any significance in choosing Greek letters? Can they choose any name they like?

The term "Sororitutes" seems particularly ugly. If members of a fraternity are properly called "brothers", the correct term for a member of a sorority is "sister". The other term is highly disrespectful and plain sexist. It says a lot more about the brother than it does about the sister who he calls a prostitute.

Apologies from an ignoramus on the other side of the world. But a basic intro into what "fraternities" are to non-US members would be useful.


User currently offlinekstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 19):
They called the new recruits their "little's" How lame is that crap? It's like, how old are you? Are you guys really "adults?"

You are most likely describing the time when some fraternities and sororities have their big brother/little brother, or big sister/little sister ceremony. This gives a new member an older member to associate with if they ever need help, or just want someone to hang out with. This is their mentor for the time they are here. I had a pledge son last year, and I am one of the closest people to him in the house. I have one this year, and I am working with him to help him be more accustomed to college, since he is telling me he is having trouble making the change from high school to college. Might be lame to you, but hopefully this helps you understand the point.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 19):
I think about 80% of being in them is just about partying a lot, and having sex with as many people as possible.

You THINK? The minority is like that, not the majority. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's definitely not 80%.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 19):
And at least concerning sex, refraining from Greek life, you're probably not as likely to get exposed to as many of the STD's being traded around when everybody's banging everybody else at the parties every weekend?

Yeah, if there wasn't Greek life, STD's would decrease throughout the world. That is a terrible assumption. I'll bet if you take away football players, baseball players, and basketball players from campuses you would take away STD's as well.



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User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
do they offer things like representation in campus disciplinary matters or can they make submissions to bodies determining tertiary education policy or funding?

No, there are other organizations on campus for that which are open to everyone like the ombusman and student government organizations for that. A greek organization could petition the school, I suppose, if there was something they were passionate about just as any student government organization can. Statistics show that Greeks tend to be more active in all aspects of campus life. Lots of Greeks in other student organzations, student government and sports teams.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
Are they purely private bodies to provide a social life to members while sharing accommodation or do they offer wider services?

They are primarily social organizations but they have multiple purposes. I can only speak for my particular sorority (Kappa Kappa Gamma) but I think most greek organizations have their equivalents. My sorority focused on helping college women develop into well rounded leaders and citizens.

We have phillanthropic programs, activities on an national and local level. The national phillanthropy is Reading is Fundamental individual chapters do activities to raise funds, bookdrives, and community volunteer efforts (tutoring, reading to children etc.) . Aditionally chapters often have other local phillanthropies they support we helped with a womens shelter (fundraising, abuse awareness, supply drives and so on). Furthermore we have multi-chapter activities and community outreach efforts.

We also have academic/scholarship programs. The houses (chapters) compete for the highest cumulative GPA. Some chapters have group study sessions and tutoring programs. In order to be a member you have to maintain a minimum GPA and the chapters support the members in succeeding in school.

You learn valuable leadership skills both through the leadership and committee oportunities within the organization and through leadership programs. Our organization has an annual leadership academy retreat. The national organization also provides chapters with speakers and programs on a variety of topics designed to help the members grow and suceed.

One of the most valuable skills I learned was how to interview. The recruitment (formerly called rush) process is basically like an extended job interview. Having been on both sides of that process I gained valuable insight into how you come across to a potential employer. It gave me a lot of comfort and confidence about the job interview process. It has given me a serious advantage I think in my career over the years.

I also learned a lot about being comfortable in and behaving appropriately in a number of other work and social environments. You learn how to behave properly at a business or social function like a corporate dinner or event.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
Can they choose any name they like?

Yes but these organizations are national (and international in many cases) so the name already exists. Most are greek letter but there are some that are not like Acacia, Triangle, and Farmhouse. Back in the day greek and latin were a typical part of the university curriculum. There were several Latin organizations then Greek organizations came into vogue. The Greek letter usually stand for a secret greek motto.

This isn't something unique to the US. Fraternal organizations have existed for ages all around the world. Gemany has Studentenverbindung, England has corporations, other places have finals clubs, eating clubs, houses, and secret societies.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
If members of a fraternity are properly called "brothers", the correct term for a member of a sorority is "sister".

You are correct.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
The other term is highly disrespectful and plain sexist. It says a lot more about the brother than it does about the sister who he calls a prostitute.

Correct again. I have never actually heard the "sororitute" term used by anyone but HMO and he has some deepseated seemingly irrational hatred towards women who join sororities (and one could argue based on his past posts women in general). A gentleman would never refer to a woman using such terminology.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
But a basic intro into what "fraternities" are to non-US members would be useful.

I tried to do that above hope it helps a little.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 19):
Especially when the sorority girls were going on about how when you were new, you had to spend something like four days locked up in the house together, and then, for the next month you weren't allowed to socialize with anybody else at the school that wasn't in the club, otherwise you'd get in trouble. Like shunned or something?

That would be hazing. Which all panhellenic organizations ban. Even in 1997 when I joined it was prohibited and taken really seriously. Every now and then you have a group take it upon themselves to revert back to the old days and do some kind of hazing when they get caught it is a big deal. The old school philosophy was that the hazing rituals helped members bond. Modern greek organizations believe that bonding is better achieved through building up the members rather than tearing them down.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 19):
They called the new recruits their "little's" How lame is that crap? It's like, how old are you? Are you guys really "adults?"

Meh. It is just a cutsey name for mentorship.. Big sister & little sister, it emphasizes the close family like bond you develop with your mentor or mentee. I know that when I was a new recruit they were trying to transition to using a greek term for mentor instead. I'd also argue college students aren't really full fledged adults yet they are getting there but college is meant to be a safe place to grow up and transition to full fledged adulthood.


25 Quokka : Thank you for your detailed reply. It makes it easier for me to understand the thread.
26 sccutler : Living in the house saved me a bundle when I was in college - I likely could not have stayed (financially), but for the benefit of the very reasonabl
27 Post contains links and images Fly2HMO : Heck the gays call themselves gays, and, at least in my GF's particular chapter they referred to each other as sorostitutes, so I see no harm in usin
28 vikkyvik : Sigh, you misunderstand me. By "don't care" I meant people won't be offended by my opinion, and won't judge me for it. As I am not offended by other
29 DocLightning : Not that I'm vehemently opposed to Greeks in general but my UNIVERSITY focused on that. Look, they're primarily social organizations with networking
30 Post contains images texan : It really just depends on how you feel around the people in the frat and what you want to do. And there are huge differences between honors and social
31 iairallie : So then would it be cool to walk for you to just walk up to a sorority member you don't know and use the term. It's like using the B word or a the N
32 Fly2HMO : Been there, done that. No I didn't get slapped or bitched at. Not sure i'd be that lucky with any other sororities though. I'm too lazy to dig up the
33 iairallie : BULL Cause there aren't any
34 sccutler : Game, set and match to the lady with the strong finish!
35 Slider : Ditto. Well said.
36 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : I tend to agree with this! (And, to prove it, FLYHMO will dismiss both iairallie and me for making this observation. )
37 einsteinboricua : I spoke with the leader of one of the fraternities, who is also a good friend of mine, and he walked me through who and what they are and what they do
38 kstateinALB : If you feel comfortable, do the whole "college try" and go for it!
39 TWFirst : 18 years later, and I'm still in touch with the majority of my fraternity brothers. RUH RAH REGA! FOR ALPHA TAU OMEGA! HIP HURRAH! HIP HURRAH! THREE
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