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Tim Horton's Closes Up Shop In CT & RI  
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9518 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

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Guess they couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Perhaps. Never having tried Dunkin' Donuts I can't offer an opinion on what their product is like. I'm not a donut fan in any event, I might eat 2 per year.

Another explanation might be that TH product array no longer matches what the market in RI is expecting. TH sees itself now as a sandwich and light meal restaurant, much more than a coffee and donut shop. Although they still sell a lot of donuts.

This might be an American mirror-image of the Krispy Kreme flop in Canada a few years ago.



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User currently offlineronglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Maybe customers in these states got fed up standing in line inside the stores, while 75% of the Tim's employees' effort was directed to their friggin' drive-throughs?

User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2862 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

When I was in Canada I really couldn't grasp the concept of a drive-through donut place. But I love Timmy's. There's a few little franchises over here.   


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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
This might be an American mirror-image of the Krispy Kreme flop in Canada a few years ago.

What?? Krispy Kreme flopped in Canada?? Ten years ago I'd never even heard of Krispy Kreme (despite having family in Winston-Salem, NC - KK's birthplace - and having made many visits there!), yet nowadays you can't escape from Krispy Kreme in my part of England. You can buy their donuts everywhere from small convenience stores to large supermarkets to motorway service stations - there's even a Krispy Kreme drivethru near to where my family lives!

That said, Taco Bel tried to make inroads into the British market back in the late 80s/early 90s, opening two outlets in London, one in Earl's Court and another between Leicester Square and Piccadilly Circus. Neither lasted very long. I guess even the US tourist contingent wasn't enough to keep them going.

I guess it's a case of "know your market"!



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User currently offlineSkyservice_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1427 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Their priorities are elsewhere...  

'Nunavut to get first-ever Tim Hortons kiosks'
October 28, 2010

WINNIPEG — Folks will soon be able to order a Tim Hortons coffee in Iqaluit, Nunavut, the last province or territory that has been without a location.

more @ http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/201...hortons-to-open-in-nunavut-101028/


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Another explanation might be that TH product array no longer matches what the market in RI is expecting. TH sees itself now as a sandwich and light meal restaurant, much more than a coffee and donut shop. Although they still sell a lot of donuts.

Even Dunkin' Donuts has started to go that way as well, so it could just be a case of not being able to take enough marketshare away from D.D. to keep those stores viable.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
This might be an American mirror-image of the Krispy Kreme flop in Canada a few years ago.

Krispy Kreme also flopped in New England, so Tim Hortons is following the their footsteps as well.

Dunkin' Donuts seems to hold its' own here in Atlanta, which is definitely deep within Krispy Kream territory.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Krispy Kreme flop in Canada a few years ago.

Krispy Kreme seem to be flopping in this part of the world too..

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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 3):
When I was in Canada I really couldn't grasp the concept of a drive-through donut place.

Well for one it is cold in Canada, you don't want to get out of your car to get your donuts.


But more seriously TH, DD are great morning stops to grab a not so healthy breakfast. Hitting up the drive-thru to get a cup of coffee with a donut/bagel/muffin was always nice, if not bad for you. When I lived in upstate NY there was a DD w/ a drive-thru right on my way to work. Usually once or twice as week I'd find myself in it getting my morning coffee and a cranberry-orange muffin (which DD doesn't sell anymore).



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User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 982 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Now, children. Let's not make this a TH vs KK thing. As we all get older (demographics) we are all getting more cognizant of our health. Let's face it. TH and KK aren't exactly healthy food choices! lol

Since TH centralized their donut making I have found that the quality has dropped. it is not as good as it once was. The honey crullers are sweeter and less creamy. The sour cream glazed donuts are super sweet too. What happened to them?

As for KK, they had one in Surrey down the road from where I live. I tried their wares a while back and they weren't bad but my teeth hurt from the sugar!


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):

Guess they couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts

Considering Timmies coffee sucked, I can see why. Besides, New England was probably the worst place to try and open a TH. RI is even worse as its pretty much ground zero for Dunkin not to mention the saturation DD already had. Hell, I live in a city of 55k people and we have at last count, 6 Dunkin and a Starbucks.

[Edited 2010-11-11 14:05:22 by srbmod]


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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6171 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2697 times:
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Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 7):
Krispy Kreme seem to be flopping in this part of the world too..

The store in Dearborn Heights, Michigan went out of business and a Dunkin Donuts moved in. The Dunkin has been there about six years and is always busy.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 9):
The sour cream glazed donuts are super sweet too

That is my favorite Tim Horton's donut.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):
Considering Timmies coffee sucked, I can see why.

Have to agree. TH coffee always to me tastes really over-roasted, as in burnt. For chain coffee outlets, my preference remains Second Cup, which you only find in malls in Canada. That's also where I buy my home consumption coffee.

Seems like TH & Starbucks have the airports locked up.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Guess they couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts

They just announced they were closing two up here in the Portland, Maine area as well. Doesn't bother me, I'm a New Englander and loyal Dunkin' Donuts drinker. Tim Horton's is for Canadians!

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Perhaps. Never having tried Dunkin' Donuts I can't offer an opinion on what their product is like. I'm not a donut fan in any event, I might eat 2 per year.

Frankly, their donuts aren't as good these days since they stopped using Trans-Fat, as well as decreased the size. They also stopped making them at the store fresh everyday. Now they get trucked in from Boston, and unless you go in during the early morning, half the time they barley have anything left.

They also simplified their offerings a while back and don't offer as much variety with donuts, cookies, muffins, bagels, as they use to. However, they did introduce sandwiches, and pizza.


I'm addicted to their Ice Coffee, though! I go in about twice per day.

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Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 2):
Maybe customers in these states got fed up standing in line inside the stores, while 75% of the Tim's employees' effort was directed to their friggin' drive-throughs?

More like sick of idling at the drive-thru! At my local store, the morning wait in the drive through use to often be over ten minutes. Once you're in line, you can't get out, and traffic backed up into the highway. But to be fair, depending on the store and the experience of the crew, it can be less. Recently, lines have been fast.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
Dunkin' Donuts seems to hold its' own here in Atlanta, which is definitely deep within Krispy Kream territory.

Cool! Didn't know they were in Georgia? When I'm in Mississippi or West Tennessee, I never see them. The're somewhat regional. Like every other block in the Northeast and Midwest, somewhat popular in Florida, but I don' t see them in other parts of the country. However, when I've been in Berlin in recent years I've noticed them popping up a lot. Was kind of weird to see at first, because I always considered them a New England chain.

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[Edited 2010-11-11 14:54:17]

User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 13):
but I don' t see them in other parts of the country.

There are actually a few spread out here in WV. When I first saw one, I had to do a double-take.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6171 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
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Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 13):
Was kind of weird to see at first, because I always considered them a New England chain.

I remember seeing the "time to make the donuts" commercials in Denver back in the 80s. Never went to a DD back then. We were always a Winchell's and Mister Donut family.... Mister Donut became part of DD in 1990.

Dunkin Donuts is a New England company... It was founded in Massachusetts in 1950.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9292 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

None of them are what they used to be, the donuts are tasteless without being loaded with sugar, central kitchens, now used at DD. The light oil, does not measure up, you have to taste the oil in the donut for it to be any good, a sinker as they were called. We still have a good donut here at Allies Donuts, near me. When DD first started here, every four hours the old donuts, they were tossed away 24 hours a day. They would not donate them, tossed into the dumpster. Now when you go in for a cup of coffee on the way home from work, the donut is 15 hours old. Garbage now, I do not touch them.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Want to know why Tim Hortons failed in CT and RI? Its the same reason Krispy Kreme got slaughtered when they went North and West. For whatever reason, doughnut shops are a highly regional thing with very, very strong brand identities. Here in California, only Winchell's/Yum-Yum has really thrived in a land where everyone loves their favorite local mom and pop doughnut shot (Kim's Doughnuts in Camarillo, CA has the best for my money, but Doughnut Man in Glendora on Route 66 is also legendary, as is Randy's in Inglewood with its big doughnut that you see on approach to the North Complex at LAX). The Northeast is Dunkin territory and Canada, along with Western New York, Michigan and Northern Ohio, is owned by Tim Hortons.

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):

Guess they couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts

Just goes to show that market saturation out does quality every time.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
TH sees itself now as a sandwich and light meal restaurant, much more than a coffee and donut shop.

Actually, TH's big focus has been the coffee. It has a ridiculously high margin and sells across the spectrum.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):

This might be an American mirror-image of the Krispy Kreme flop in Canada a few years ago.

Not really. TH has always been big in upstate/Western NY where it has existed basically since the start of the company (remember that Tim Horton had his best days as a Buffalo Saber). It has also done well is Wendy's strongholds near the 49th like OH and MI, partly because of expansion linked to the merger.

That said, DD is extremely strong in New England, despite their lower quality.

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 2):
Maybe customers in these states got fed up standing in line inside the stores, while 75% of the Tim's employees' effort was directed to their friggin' drive-throughs?

I actually will park and run in from time to time because the drive-thru lines are so long. They need to dedicate those resources.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 3):
When I was in Canada I really couldn't grasp the concept of a drive-through donut place.

Its cold in Canada.

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 4):

What?? Krispy Kreme flopped in Canada??

Krispy Kreme flopped generally in most markets. They got slaughtered due to over expansion and not realizing how brand sensitive the market is.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 8):

Well for one it is cold in Canada, you don't want to get out of your car to get your donuts.

Got there before me.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 8):
Usually once or twice as week I'd find myself in it getting my morning coffee and a cranberry-orange muffin (which DD doesn't sell anymore).

Wasn't their cran-orange muffin one of the more famous things they made?

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 9):
Now, children. Let's not make this a TH vs KK thing. As we all get older (demographics) we are all getting more cognizant of our health. Let's face it. TH and KK aren't exactly healthy food choices! lol

Well, coffee is very good for you. Plus, TH has a lot of healthier options than doughnuts.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 9):

Since TH centralized their donut making I have found that the quality has dropped. it is not as good as it once was.

I totally agree there.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):

Considering Timmies coffee sucked, I can see why.

Yeah, you are the only person I have ever seen say that.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):
Besides, New England was probably the worst place to try and open a TH.

Actually, TH bought another established chain, Bess Orton, and that is how they entered the market. The problem was the hegemony of Dunkin.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Yeah, you are the only person I have ever seen say that.

Yeah, trust me, i'm not alone.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Actually, TH bought another established chain, Bess Orton, and that is how they entered the market. The problem was the hegemony of Dunkin.

Which goes right back to what I said. Thanks for confirming that.. I guess? Now we can all go on with the thread since we now have confirmation that this was indeed Tim Horton's downfall.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9292 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Actually, TH bought another established chain, Bess Orton, and that is how they entered the market. The problem was the hegemony of Dunkin.

I think you mean Bess Eaton, started in Westerly R.I. The founder and owner got involved with religion, somehow went in the toilet, financially. Tim Hortons bought them out. I thought Tim Hortons was better in Canada, than in R.I.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quote:
I actually will park and run in from time to time because the drive-thru lines are so long. They need to dedicate those resources.

LOL! It's funny, it seems like every time I get stuck in the 15 minute drive-thru line, I'll finally get to be number two, and there will be somebody like a soccer-mom type customer in front of me ordering what seems to be the entire freakin' store! I'll see coffee after coffee come through the window, as well as about a half dozen of the specialty drinks that take a long time to make. Then, about three dozen donuts and other assortments. Just when you think they're done, you see them pass back a couple of the speciality drinks that weren't made right or something? They have to remake them, and you have to just wait longer, but at this point you don't even have the option of coming back later! You're stuck! I'm alway's like "Damnit, if you're going to order that much stuff, that takes so long to put together during the middle of morning rush, just go inside instead of holding up the line for those of us who just want to get in and out for a simple coffee and a donut or two on the way to work!"

So then, the next time I go by, I'll decide to just park and go inside. I wait my turn, get to the counter behind somebody.. Soccer mom, old person, teenagers .... and same thing! They are hand picking about two dozen donuts of verrying kinds. Ordering about eight coffees and specialty drinks, and giving specific instructions for each... "1 with 2 creams, 4 sugars, decaff. 1 with 6 sugars, extra extra cream, with a Splenda, and a cup of ice on ton the side, etc. And they just go on and on! Then, inevitably something's not made right. Or they forget what they're getting for somebody else and have to call back to the office,. Or they don't have the donut or muffin they want, and they sit there trying to make up their mind about what else to get! Just "ohhhh and ahhhing" In the meantime your're watching the minutes on the clock pass by, end up waiting longer than the ten minutes it would have taken just to go through the darn drive-thru that was backed up into the street!

It's like you just can't win! You just have to be patient! So much for fast food! But it's so aggravating when you've got to be at work on time, just want to get a simple coffee and a donut or muffin, and think you'll be in and out, but no matter whether you go through drive-thru or inside, there's always one customer that takes about ten minutes just to get their order ready!

Last week I got chewed out when I got to work, because I was stuck in line for 19 minutes, therefore being 25 minutes late for work, when I expected to only take two minutes! Guess I should have known better? Hell, I could have gone to a sit down breakfast at a cafe or something for that wait!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):

I think you mean Bess Eaton

Yep. Thanks for that.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
I thought Tim Hortons was better in Canada, than in R.I.

The doughnuts were better before they went to the pre-made, frozen ones.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18):

Which goes right back to what I said.

Well, only sort of. Its actually a very interesting marketing thing.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18):
Yeah, trust me, i'm not alone.

You are certainly part of the minority.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 2518 times:

Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Guess they couldn't compete with Dunkin Donuts
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Never having tried Dunkin' Donuts I can't offer an opinion on what their product is like.

Living in MA all my life, I became a fan of DD because there was nothing else in my town available that was quick.

Only now, after moving to a town with other choices, did I realize that DD coffee is crap. Inconsistent really...some places its good, others lousy. I gladly pay $1 more for an iced Americano at Starbuck's, and consistently get the same cup of coffee.

Glad I woke up. The only thing Dunkies has going for them is the food, because the coffee is nothing to brag about.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 22):
Only now, after moving to a town with other choices, did I realize that DD coffee is crap. Inconsistent really...some places its good, others lousy. I gladly pay $1 more for an iced Americano at Starbuck's, and consistently get the same cup of coffee.

1. Starbucks (no apostrophe) sucks.

2. I'm shocked you say Dunkin is inconsistent. While they aren't my favorite, they are not inconsistent. I will say that Tim Hortons can sometimes be inconsistent. I definitely prefer the coffee at some compared to others. My girlfriend says the same.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9518 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18):
Yeah, trust me, i'm not alone.

i know you're not!


all in all i liked the Tim's sandwiches, and the Dunkin coffee.
never a fan of the Dunkin sandwiches nor the Tim's coffee.

Tim's donuts ... probably edge out the DD in my opinion.



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25 Post contains images airportugal310 : Respectfully disagree. There is some sort of brainwashing around here that basically forces people to think DD is great, because thats all they are t
26 stlgph : so true. New Englanders are sissy's when it comes to strong coffee. they all go gaga for that Green Mountain coffee from Vermont, when their stronges
27 srbmod : Here's the issue. Dunkin' Donuts coffee is a light roast coffee and folks in New England in general prefer a light roast (typically called a New Engl
28 WarRI1 : Same here, I go to DD two or three times per week, only to meet friends, I just had a horrible cup today. I drink it black, very weak today, it does
29 PWM2TXLHopper : I'd tend to agree. Any state, or even any country I've ever at Dunkin' coffee in is just the same. However, I think it all boils down to individual p
30 WarRI1 : I really liked the coffee in London when I was there. What system do they use?
31 AF340 : The coffee here tends to be much stronger than that of the US. Caffe Nero for example, I'm told, has very strong coffee -- stronger than Starbucks. H
32 srbmod : That's because being a chain that originated in the Pacific Northwest, the folks out there prefer a darker roast (My employer sells a dark roast blen
33 PWM2TXLHopper : Don't know what you call it? Somebody will have to jump in. I don't know about England, but in a lot of Europe they make it in the little machine lik
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