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15-story Hotel Put Up In 90 Hours!  
User currently offlinegeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4762 times:

A largely prefabricated hotel was built in Changsha, China within a week. I have seen high-rise Japanese office buildings built within a few months with the same prefab method. But this one just blows my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0DSihggio&feature=player_embedded

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-st...1#comment-4cdc82d74bd7c86536030000

edit: added youtube link

[Edited 2010-11-11 20:33:03]


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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1937 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4719 times:

Pretty amazing. I take it the insides (plumbing, electrical, etc. etc.) took a good while longer afterward, right?

In any case, maybe the US can build a High Spped Rail or the Second Avenue Subway in the same number of years that that took hours...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19408 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Anyone have interior photos?

User currently offlinegeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 1):
I take it the insides (plumbing, electrical, etc. etc.) took a good while longer afterward, right?

I would think so.

The company that built the Lego hotel originally started with making centralized air-conditioning systems for commercial buildings. They are very experienced in making energy efficient designs. Now it seems that they are making a push into making low carbon footprint, low waste, super energy efficient buildings.

The boss of the that company is said to be among the first entrepreneurs in China to have purchase business jets and helicopters.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Regardless of where this building was made, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a 15 story building that went from elevation to 15 stories in just under 4 days.

I don't care how it was built...that's just too fast. This thing won't last 20 years.


User currently offlinegeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 11):
I don't care how it was built...that's just too fast. This thing won't last 20 years.

The Empire State Building was built in 400 days with technology from the 30's, with no massive prefab input as this Chinese hotel. That was real fast as well.



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User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 11):
Regardless of where this building was made, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a 15 story building that went from elevation to 15 stories in just under 4 days.

I don't care how it was built...that's just too fast. This thing won't last 20 years.

  

Who wants to live in a building that went up in 90 hours?


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 16):
Who wants to live in a building that went up in 90 hours?

First, it's a hotel. Second, they bolted a pre-fabricated steel frame together. Third, what they did in those 90 hours was build the shell and some walls - all the interior fitting was left for later, by appearances. Fourth, you can see in the video how they threw a huge amount of resources at the build: there was a crane wherever one would fit and oodles of construction workers.

It's funny how people laud Henry Ford for slashing the time it takes to build a car and yet they ridicule a building that's been erected following the exact same principles.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 6):

Who wants to live in a building that went up in 90 hours?

It's not so much the building going up quickly itself as the engineering behind it. China doesn't have the world's greatest track record for engineering prowess.

Although when you put something so large together so quickly, you have to wonder if it was done right--or well. Even though it was largely prefabricated, there's still a lot that can go wrong. It's not exactly like building with Tinker Toys or Legos.



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User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 7):
It's funny how people laud Henry Ford for slashing the time it takes to build a car and yet they ridicule a building that's been erected following the exact same principles.

Big difference between a car and a building. Though cars kill more folks than buildings... I can see the reason behind building cars in a rapid fashion, not so much for a hotel.


User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

HAHA, only some Americans seem to have their doubts about this.. Interesting..

But I tend to lean on their side, China has some very questionable practices. Their car look alikes have terrible crash tests results. I hope their buildings and airplanes are different.

[Edited 2010-11-12 16:30:31]


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

During WW II, the Kaiser Company build basic cargo ships, using prefabricated components and welding instead of traditional steel shipbuilding methods in days. I believe they went from laying the keel to ability to float in as little as 4 days. Problem is that the designed was flawed and many of the fast built ships had serious structural problems in rough seas, breaking bulkheads and the keels with a number of them sinking. Most buildings of such size as to their main structures, will take about one week per floor. For example, the WTC 1 tower in NY City, is taking about 2 weeks per floor once they got beyond the 10-15th floor above ground level.

User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2424 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 4):
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 6):
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 8):
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 9):

Ummmm, hello? Have you people not thought about the foundation? If you have a good foundation...............



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User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 12):
Ummmm, hello? Have you people not thought about the foundation? If you have a good foundation...............

Will the concrete required for a building of that size, properly dry in 90 hours? I am not a construction engineer, but it took three days for the concrete foundation in my house to properly dry.


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2424 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 13):

I may have missed something, but I didn't see where the foundation was part of the 90 hour process.



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User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 14):
I may have missed something, but I didn't see where the foundation was part of the 90 hour process.

Perhaps? Pouring a foundation is part of the building process.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5419 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Just to clarify, there are two "clocks" in the video. One shows it took 46 hours, 38 minutes, and 12 seconds(?!) to construct the steel structure and the other shows an additional 90 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds (again, ? Really, 52 seconds?) to build the.... exterior (and I assume basic interior? You can still see straight through the building to the other side at the "end" of the construction clock).

And as others here have mentioned, the foundation.... how long did that take? For any building the foundation is an integral, critical part of it. Just not as visible a part.


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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Let's give credit where credit is due. If this building had been erected in Pittsburgh we'd all be going ooh and aah.

China is on a tear and has a desperate need for new buildings, so it makes sense to try new prefab construction methods. Even if the buildings are ersatz, they can be torn down and rebuilt.

We must give China its due in the area of manufacturing and construction technology. Easy to smirk at their quality, but we did the same with the Japanese a while ago. Both nations have a heritage of exquisite craftsmanship, and the will to produce the best products in the world.

As The Buddha said, a wise man yet learns from a novice...


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3586 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 17):
China is on a tear and has a desperate need for new buildings,

Oh really?

http://theweek.com/article/index/208524/the-ghost-city-of-china

Read the entire article. Their economy is booming because of construction. Huh. Sound familiar?


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

This has been going on with large scale buildings for decades. It's nothing more than a high speed version of western techniques, engineering and methods. A propaganda ploy or publicity stunt that adds significantly to the costs.

User currently offlinegeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
A propaganda ploy or publicity stunt that adds significantly to the costs.

Geez, it's just a private company making a pitch for a new line of business. The company is quite well-known in China.

They have their own website, in Chinese only. http://www.broad.com/



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting geekydude (Reply 20):

Geez, it's just a private company making a pitch for a new line of business.

So, a publicity stunt.

In construction, everybody wants good, fast and cheap. In reality, only two are possible. Take your pick.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

The mods seem pretty determined that the Chinese will not be cast in any negative way here, but this is what Time said about it today...

"A few decades ago, our [country's] main concern was still to provide shelters for people as quickly as possible, and that had created lots of poor-quality buildings," says Zheng. "But things have been very different in recent years. We've seen more relentless developers who would do anything to maximize profits, even if that means compromising the quality of buildings."

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...8599,2030548,00.html#ixzz15KNIsMQQ


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 18):
Their economy is booming because of construction. Huh. Sound familiar?

there is no doubt that there is a growing property bubble in China, but I wouldn't say that the country's entire economy is based on this.

China has enormous resources in the form of everything you and me buy being manufactured there. There is a rapidly expanding middle class led by a ever growing number of extremely rich people. Funds for infrastructure and investment is almost limitless.

Time only will tell if the construction frenzy is justified.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Funny how we are talking about chinese building safety and this happens

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...ls_at_least_8_injures_90_more.html




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25 GQfluffy : Heh...I could play devil's advocate and say "The silence of those in favor of this "slap a prefab building together" is deafening."...but that's unfai
26 PPVRA : How about the same exact reason as building a car fast? That's the whole point of pre-fabs. This is at least the second major fire at a Chinese high-
27 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : If we were talking about "90 hours" and "Pittsburgh", we would be talking about the amount of time between run-ins with the law and Ben Roethlisberge
28 WarRI1 : Nor would I, I have claustrophobia, I fear being trapped in a collapsed building.
29 Post contains images Cadet985 : Hey......the Second Avenue Subway has only been in the planning stages since 1929 . Marc
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