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Harrison Ford Speaks For Climate Change-Hypocrite?  
User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Harrison Ford has been all over the news speaking with the Terminator for climate change.

Is this a bit hypocritical given his extensive use of private jets that he personally owns and flies? BTW, does anyone know if he publicly donates to offset his emissions?

Sidebar: He does own some sweet aircraft; most notably his CJ3 and Cessna C680.

Does anyone know if he owns the G450 that shares the next sequence in his unique registrations?


"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39918 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Thread starter):
Is this a bit hypocritical given his extensive use of private jets that he personally owns and flies? BTW, does anyone know if he publicly donates to offset his emissions?


Why scrutinize him and not all the other celebrities?
At least he can fly his own plane unlike Bono and Al Gore.  



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2772 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Thread starter):
Is this a bit hypocritical given his extensive use of private jets that he personally owns and flies? BTW, does anyone know if he publicly donates to offset his emissions?

 

  

Just reading "to offset his emissions" makes me pissed off. What a fraud.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Why scrutinize him and not all the other celebrities?
At least he can fly his own plane unlike Bono and Al Gore.

Exactly.   



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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Why scrutinize him and not all the other celebrities?

Because is he probably the most excessive of them all.

He should take a page out of George Clooney's book. Clooney is for climate change/reform but has stated multiple times that he will not speak out on it with an agenda because he uses private jets to travel around the world.



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39918 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 3):
Because is he probably the most excessive of them all.


Hardly.
There are celebrities far more decadent than Harrison Ford. I have no problem with any of it BTW.
These people help companies like Cessna and Gulfstream stay in business and employ people.

Can lip service be used to offset emissions?  



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Thread starter):
does anyone know if he publicly donates to offset his emissions?

I don't see why that matters. It is either a case of:
1) Rich people can pollute more than others.
2) By paying, the damage you do by polluting is somehow magically reversed.

Both of these don't make any sense. Even if he did pay to offset he is still a hypocrite!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39918 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2622 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 5):
1) Rich people can pollute more than others.
2) By paying, the damage you do by polluting is somehow magically reversed.



3) Paying lip service to the environmentalist will keep him employed and get leading roles in future Hollywood films.

Considering his profession, he probably has to say these things so he doesn't get black listed.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 3):

Because is he probably the most excessive of them all.

John Travolta's Boeing comes to mind here.


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2617 times:

Why are we upset that famous, rich people spend their money the way they want to, since after all, they earned it? If I hit the lottery I would have the biggest gas guzzeling pasta rocket they make, and see how fast I could get it up to on the autobahn. Should we be upset that the Urban Cowboy flies a B707, instead of a more fuel efficiant B737 as well?

User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1574 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 3):
Because is he probably the most excessive of them all.

Yup, I mean, how many other Hollywood celebs take their Bell 407 out and search for missing people? Harrison Ford is hardly the most excessive in Hollywood. Last I checked, you can only use 1 airplane at a time, but hey, if you've got a way to be in 2 places at once, more power to you.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 3):
He should take a page out of George Clooney's book. Clooney is for climate change/reform but has stated multiple times that he will not speak out on it with an agenda because he uses private jets to travel around the world.

So in other words he's saying in a very politically correct fashion I don't give a rats ass and back off.

Quoting lewis (Reply 5):
By paying, the damage you do by polluting is somehow magically reversed.

Exactly, especially when one considers that a lot of these "carbon credit" companies basically run coal factories that just sit there and spew forth noxious fumes in cities like Linfen for no other reason than to get paid to be turned off while we do our little dance called "Climate Change."


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39918 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 9):
how many other Hollywood celebs take their Bell 407 out and search for missing people?


  
Excellent comment!

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 8):
Why are we upset that famous, rich people spend their money the way they want to, since after all, they earned it?


Easy targets and of course jealousy.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 8):
If I hit the lottery I would have the biggest gas guzzeling pasta rocket they make, and see how fast I could get it up to on the autobahn.



Cool.  
If I were flush with cash I'd own a Lockheed JetStar as my small private jet and a 747-100 in American Airlines / Stevenson's Corporation (Airport '77) livery.
I already have the car I want.



In a way, I have helped Harrison Ford save the planet and I personally should earn some carbon credits.
I picked up the follwing Harrison Ford movies used on LaserDisc.
The Conversation
Blade Runner
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Witness
Patriot Games
The Fugitive
Air Force One


I picked all of these up for only $1 a piece. I prevented these movies from going in to a landfill. I plan on keeping these and have no intentions of buying these movies again on DVD or BluRay.
I don't fall in to the disposable consumer society category.
So can someone tell me what kind of carbon credit I should receive for my noble act?
Can Harrison Ford and all supporting actors earn a carbon credit since their older films released on LaserDisc, Betamax, VHS and RCA CED VideoDisc has a viable 2nd. hand market among us collectors?



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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2597 times:

I'm not comparing Harrison Ford with others who use jets excessively; hell, I know a company who stores their jets at one airport and has them flown to another airport 10 miles away because executives don't want to wait in traffic, at an outrageous cost to shareholders. I'm speaking directly to his being a spokesman for climate change.

I think Harrison Ford is one someone could easily idolize and I respect the additions he's brought to the aviation industry, but I'm confused as to how anyone can take him seriously when speaking of climate change given his personal preferences.



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):

Considering his profession, he probably has to say these things so he doesn't get black listed.

I doubt he cares. He might not look it, but the man has got to be near 70 years old. Most guys his age aren't really "looking" for work.

I agree that it's just jealousy to have a problem with his actions. I'm somewhat environmentalist by nature myself, but that would never prevent me from owning multiple aircraft, were the funds available...


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39918 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 13):
He might not look it, but the man has got to be near 70 years old. Most guys his age aren't really "looking" for work.


I'm sure he is smart with his money, however residual income is still very important to older established entertainers.



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2575 times:

It is, fly. But I don't think he's in danger of losing it, whatever he says or does. New work may be a new question, but I don't think a very important one, is all.

PS, some trivia...

Did you know that Sean Connery, the man who played his father in Last Crusade is only 12 years older than Harrison Ford in real life? I think that's pretty funny.


User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2568 times:
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While I'm a fan of Harrison Ford and commend him for using his helo to search for those missing people, I just take with a grain of salt and ignore what any and all of those "Hollywood Types" have to say regarding things like this, things they (not all mind you) probably don't know much about. They just want to be on the bandwagon.

Besides, isn't Hollywood a planet all it's own!!!   

F



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39918 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 15):
Did you know that Sean Connery, the man who played his father in Last Crusade is only 12 years older than Harrison Ford in real life? I think that's pretty funny.



Wow. I did not know that.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 15):
I don't think he's in danger of losing it, whatever he says or does. New work may be a new question, but I don't think a very important one, is all.


Perhaps is a preventative measure on his part just in case there is an aggressive witch hunt against anyone who is perceived to be going against the authorities of climate change. That is not beyond the realm of a possibility.
He is just covering his arse just in case.



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 2):
Just reading "to offset his emissions" makes me pissed off. What a fraud.

Why? If your aircraft emits x tons of carbon dioxide, but you plant enough extra trees to absorb x tons of carbon dioxide (or pay someone else to plant those trees), then you've offset your emissions - your net effect on the environment is zero. Where's the fraud in that?

Quoting lewis (Reply 5):
2) By paying, the damage you do by polluting is somehow magically reversed.

Both of these don't make any sense. Even if he did pay to offset he is still a hypocrite!

Again - if you plant trees that will grow to weigh as much as the CO2 you emitted, you've basically reversed the damage caused by your CO2 release.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 10):
Exactly, especially when one considers that a lot of these "carbon credit" companies basically run coal factories that just sit there and spew forth noxious fumes in cities like Linfen for no other reason than to get paid to be turned off while we do our little dance called "Climate Change."

Citation, please?



Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
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Does anybody know how long it takes a tree (whatever species) to grow enough to really put out some oxygen to counter all this carbon? Yes, yes, I know it takes a large amount of trees!

Thanks,

F



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2772 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 18):

Why? If your aircraft emits x tons of carbon dioxide, but you plant enough extra trees to absorb x tons of carbon dioxide (or pay someone else to plant those trees), then you've offset your emissions - your net effect on the environment is zero. Where's the fraud in that?

Yeahhhh!!! It's that easy! And for only 10 easy payments of 29.99 you'll also get a certificate!




  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39918 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 19):
Does anybody know how long it takes a tree (whatever species) to grow enough to really put out some oxygen to counter all this carbon? Yes, yes, I know it takes a large amount of trees!

Several decades.
He is doing it for the children.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 20):
Yeahhhh!!! It's that easy! And for only 10 easy payments of 29.99 you'll also get a certificate!

....and if you act now, you can get a FREE slab of tree bark and a rock.  



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6747 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 19):
Does anybody know how long it takes a tree (whatever species) to grow enough to really put out some oxygen to counter all this carbon? Yes, yes, I know it takes a large amount of trees!

Thanks,

F

Well, the wood from the tree is mostly made from the carbon in the atmosphere, so it's the growing itself that is a CO2 sink.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10907 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting ua777222 (Thread starter):
Is this a bit hypocritical given his extensive use of private jets t

Of course it is.. the same with Al Gore or Prince Albert of Monaco.

They constantly get taken to places around the world in private jets to conferences advocating a cleaner planet!!
Muwahahahahaha!!!

You will not often see them flying in commercial airliners!
They are hypocrits big time!!



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 18):
Why? If your aircraft emits x tons of carbon dioxide, but you plant enough extra trees to absorb x tons of carbon dioxide (or pay someone else to plant those trees), then you've offset your emissions - your net effect on the environment is zero. Where's the fraud in that?

The problem is that people don't like the fact that they cause these harmful emissions. So the easiest solution is just to ignore the science - if you convince yourself that there isn't a problem, you don't have to think about how to do something about it. That's why you don't see such an effort to fight other scientific findings like gravity - gravity doesn't require you to reconsider the way you do things.

Now if you have a method that helps but isn't perfect (and carbon offsetting isn't perfect), their mental capacity gets spent on ways to attack the science and the methods that result from it, mostly not to convince you but to convince themselves.

On the plus side, this shows that there's human decency. Instead of just saying "Yeah, i realize that this is harmful and will have terrible effects for future generations but I don't care" they actually have a conscience and need to convince it that there isn't a problem, because otherwise it would force them to act. There's hope.  


25 aerorobnz : I don't care. If you're wealthy you can do whatever the hell you want - that is why we all secretly want to be in that position. I vehemently defend a
26 windy95 : Do these companies like the one the fraud ALGre set up make a profit? Or do climate frauds like ALGore profit personally from the garbage they peddle
27 Superfly : 'Nobel Peace Prize' winners are probably exempt.
28 Post contains images CPH-R : ZzzZZzzz Another "Let's bash the climate change-advocate" thread. For those mocking the carbon offset scheme, I'm sure the rest of the class would lik
29 4holer : And if you don't like what the evidence says you hit that button that blows up the person? Isn't that what the video says is the funny way to deal wi
30 windy95 : I guess you did not see the carbon exchage shutdown here in the US last week. They tried it in Chicago and it ended with an epic failure. And of cour
31 lewis : I am fine with anything they do, as long as they drop the 'hollier than thou' attitude and stop trying to be environmental spokesmen. You know, 'prac
32 Yellowstone : No, it's not. It's not fraud to profit by providing a service people need. Take the anti-cholesterol drug Lipitor. Pfizer has made billions of dollar
33 windy95 : If it was really about the environment and not Cap and tax.
34 windy95 : But that is the point. No one needs this service. It is made up by charlatans and frauds to pay your sin tax at the altar of global warming. Global w
35 Yellowstone : You'll pardon me if I take the word of 97% of climatologists over the claims of some random dude on the Internet.
36 4holer : 97% if you throw out every scientist who disagrees since clearly they don't know what they are talking about, right?
37 Yellowstone : Like I said, 97% of climatologists, the folks who actually have training in this area and who study it for a living. Scientists in other fields who o
38 Superfly : See my reply #6. Not sure I want to beat up on Harrison Ford over this. He is a good man and I respect him a lot. I suspect he is only saying this to
39 4holer : I'm a chemist too, coincidentally. I work in water quality. Now I'd have to imagine that if the hysteria involved some perceived threat to the purity
40 ua777222 : It has nothing to do with jealousy. It has to do with the fact that he is publicly speaking out against those that do exactly what he does. I have lo
41 Superfly : The whole global warming hysteria is a circus. There is not a single human being on the face of the earth that isn't putting out CO2. In Hollywood, y
42 Post contains images san747 : If he discounted every scientist who disagreed, he would have said 100%. The scientists Yellowstone defers to exist. Oil companies and other special
43 Superfly : This is a thread about Harrison Ford who is a Hollywood actor. We do have a right to make comments on what they do. Right? Yep, they provide a vital
44 san747 : Absolutely! No issue there. So research into alternative energy and greener technology produces no jobs? People who don't know what they're talking a
45 Yellowstone : Let me know when God publishes his data and methodology in a reputable, peer-reviewed journal.
46 Post contains images Superfly : So do preachers, Preist, rabbis and imams. They're all salesmen for a non-existent being and profiteers of fear. So why did you bring it up? I suppor
47 san747 : Because at the end of the day, whatever we think of them, they will do what they will do. Is it hypocritical of Hollywood celebs to preach their pro-
48 Superfly : Which is no different than hopping in to a Toyota Prius.
49 racko : So if you're sick you value the opinions of a doctor and an Imam equally? If a loved of yours gets sick, do you call an ambulance or the nearest hous
50 Post contains images Superfly : I guess you don't know me then. Let's not be silly. Of course I value science and all medical breakthroughs. I'm just skeptical of these climatologis
51 Post contains links windy95 : A self-selected polling sample is not necessarily representative of the larger population. I'm surprised that such an elementary error was overlooked
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