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Possible? Trains That Never Stop  
User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

I've been thinking about this recently:

Here in Germany we only have a couple of high speed rail lines, in most other cases the high speed trains will run on existing track at moderate speeds, since the tracks don't allow higher speeds that 160 kph in most places.

Now the real problem is that they stop so damn often. For example the ICE from Basel to Franfurt will stop in places like Offenburg or Baden-Baden, even the super duper HSR from Frankfurt Airport to Cologne will stop at villages (sorry) like Limburg or Siegburg and what's that other place's name. So moments after reaching it's top speed it has to brake again, stop, let about 2 passengers get off and then accelerate again, losing a good 10 minutes on the way. Multiply that by the number of stops in between.

So here's my idea. A train that runs without stopping between, let's say, Rome and London, or Paris and Madrid, or Stockholm and Lisbon. Whenever the train passes a city on the way, passengers who want to get off would proceed to the last car, which will then uncouple and come to a stop. At the same time, another similar car will have boarded the passengers at that station who want to get on, then that car would accelerate and catch up with the rest of the train. So unless you want to get off, the train will never stop, and you save lots of time on the way.

The result would be that HSR speed could be reached on lines that aren't even that fast, just by eliminating the time consuming stops.

Would this be possible?
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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Siegburg is basically Bonn's ICE station, and as for Limburg ... well, you can read German, right?
http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-...i/2010/1030/seite3/0001/index.html

As for your question: If there's a separate track, then yes. Otherwise: no. The schedule in Germany alone is so tight that you cannot simply rush a train through the network.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

I'm not very conversant in the technical aspects of rail travel, but would coupling cars at 300 km/h even be safe? And considering your idea of having cars "catch up", wouldn't said cars have to accelerate to speeds higher than that of the main trainset?

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

You may find this idea interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ig19gYP9o



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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Interesting thought and it seems to make sense that you would want a nonstop train between the 2 cities.

I took the AVE in Spain and a half ago from MAD to BCN and there are several non-stops, I took the one stop that stops in Zaragoza, the time lost was minimal and it was a very pleasant ride.


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

China has been actively studying this possibility. Given China's recent $300 billion investment into building the largest high-speed train network in the world, and being completed in 5 years, they have the advantage of having a clean sheet design when building this infrastructure. My guess is that the cost vs. times savings will be the deciding factor. If China can't do it with all new stations, lines, and rolling stock, no one can.

User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9384 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

That "other places name" is Montabaur. The federal structure of Germany givs the reason, Montabaur is located in the state of Rhineland Palatine which did not want to be excluded from HSR lines/stops. There is one more optional station on that line, CGN airport.

Fact is however, that most trains run non-stop from FRA airport to CGN central station. The smaller cities receive one stop per hour in each direction at the most.

It would be absolutely senseless to run non-stop trains between places like ROM and LON or PAR and MAD. The cost of the infrastructure to do that would be astronomical and then - why? It is far more economical to fly these routes since 3 or 4 km runway at each end can be used for up to 40 movements from anywhere to anywher

HSR is efficient up to 500 km distance, in a few cases in centralized countries like France may be 600 or 700 km. Not more. Germany BTW is polycentric, that's why there are so many stops and the other reason is that ICE trains are run every hour. There are a few "sprinter" connections that go FRA/BER non-stop.



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