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U.S. Government Censors 70 Websites!  
User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

posted by Thom Holwerda on Sat 27th Nov 2010 10:46 UTC

""The US is really ramping up its war on intellectual property infringement, a war which I'm sure will be just as successful, cheap and supported by the people as the wars on drugs and terrorism. The US has started seizing the domain names of various websites through ICANN - not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them. Anyone want to take a guess how long it will be before the US government blocks WikiLeaks? Update: The blocks function outside of the US too. In other words, the US is forcing its views upon the rest of the world once again.""

Read the full report here : http://www.osnews.com/story/24074/US_Government_Censors_70_Websites

""A war is brewing. If you think body scanners, sexual assault patdowns, censorship laws, and the seizure of property without even a notice are the end, you're sadly mistaken.

It's only the beginning.""
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[Edited 2010-11-28 20:39:45]

49 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Can you cite one or more of the seized URLs?

I'd dearly love to take a gander at the pleadings in the federal courts which ordered the seizures.



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Two things.

1) What's your point
2) Where did wikileaks come from?

First off, we have absolutely no idea what these websites are. It could be anything from illegal downloading websites, to sites that have received numerous complaints for fraud or viruses. There is no implication that the "Evil" US gov't has any intention of shutting down wiki leaks, or taking away any rights and trying to enslave the people. So relax take a deep breath and take a chill pill, a big one.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2743 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Thread starter):
not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them.

Wow. Scary stuff indeed

Can't imagine Americans putting up with this for terribly long. Not with the way they view Government controlling things, especially censorship, or if it goes anywhere near breaching the sacred "constitution"

I can hear the screaming from the civil libertarians here already. Yikes !!

It has been said before, at many levels, that one day the internet will be censored, seems like the US has started to more on the subject. Shame, but I suppose it had to happen. It will employ a few more public servants, and there will be more government departments formed under all sorts of wonderful names that will inevitability be abbreviated like everything seems to be these days.

As you say, if you think body scanners etc are a worry..... Then just you wait !  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Intellectual property and Copyright crimes are globes most significant economic crime.

Its long overdue that concerted effort is placed to thwart such crimes that rob billions if not trillions from the pockets of everyone from the smallest performer or artist, to multi-national corporation.

You want to listen to that song, or buy that Gucci bag, then do it the legal and right way!



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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 1):

Can you cite one or more of the seized URLs?


Nope. The only site i could access was www.torrent-finder.com, which was mentioned on the report.
I did search under http://www.icann.org , but nothing there either.


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
You want to listen to that song,
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
then do it the legal and right way!

Yup..... that's why i only download music from Itunes.


User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Here's a list of the sites affected:

2009jerseys.com
51607.com
amoyhy.com
b2corder.com
bishoe.com
borntrade.com
borntrade.net
boxedtvseries.com
boxset4less.com
boxsetseries.com
burberryoutletshop.com
cartoon77.com
cheapscarfshop.com
coachoutletfactory.com
dajaz1.com
discountscarvesonsale.com
dvdcollectionsale.com
dvdcollects.com
dvdorderonline.com
dvdprostore.com
dvdscollection.com
dvdsetcollection.com
dvdsetsonline.com
dvdsuperdeal.com
eluxury-outlet.com
getdvdset.com
gofactoryoutlet.com
golfstaring.com
golfwholesale18.com
handbag9.com
handbagcom.com
handbagspop.com
icqshoes.com
ipodnanouk.com
jersey-china.com
jerseyclubhouse.com
jordansbox.com
lifetimereplicas.com
louis-vuitton-outlet-store.com
lv-outlets.com
lv-outlets.net
lv-outletstore.com
massnike.com
merrytimberland.com
mycollects.com
mydreamwatches.com
mygolfwholesale.com
newstylerolex.com
nfljerseysupply.com
nibdvd.com
odvdo.com
oebags.com
onsmash.com
overbestmall.com
rapgodfathers.com
realtimberland.com
rmx4u.com
scarfonlineshop.com
scarfviponsale.com
shawls-store.com
silkscarf-shop.com
silkscarfonsale.com
skyergolf.com
sohob2b.com
sohob2c.com
storeofeast.com
stuff-trade.com
sunglasses-mall.com
sunogolf.com
tbl-sports.com
throwbackguy.com
tiesonsale.com
timberlandlike.com
topabuy.com
torrent-finder.com
usaburberryscarf.com
usaoutlets.net

Where are people gonna buy counterfeit goods now?!  Wow!  

I googled a few of them and there seems to be a common trend here. These sites seemed to be using popular brands to create professional looking sites, entice people to "buy" branded goods off them, and never actually send them any goods.

[Edited 2010-11-29 00:33:32]

User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Apparently, this was all just a big hoax that a lot of people fell for it.

Another site pulled the same thing, admitted it and these guys just ripped of the same graphic.

http://torrentfreak.com/fansubbing-s...to-protest-media-reporting-100719/


User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 2444 times:
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Quoting gosimeon (Reply 7):
Here's a list of the sites affected:

I don't think I would use the term "censor" to describe that list; it is more like a crackdown on copyright infringement. A quick google of some of the sites listed brings up a long list of angry reviews about fakes goods and bad service.

Kev.



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
You want to listen to that song, or buy that Gucci bag, then do it the legal and right way!

That would depend on the country you live in. In the Netherlands and Russia it's not illegal to download songs. Uploading is however.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 9):
I don't think I would use the term "censor" to describe that list; it is more like a crackdown on copyright infringement.

  

This is not censorship but law enforcement.

Quoting varigb707 (Thread starter):
not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them

Your screenshot clearly reads "pursuant to a seizure warrant issued by a United States District Court"

Besides, apparent counterfeit goods can be confiscated on the spot until a judge expesses objections.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

End times philosophy seems to be coming true on step at a time.

User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Intellectual property and Copyright crimes are globes most significant economic crime.

Its long overdue that concerted effort is placed to thwart such crimes that rob billions if not trillions from the pockets of everyone from the smallest performer or artist, to multi-national corporation.

You want to listen to that song, or buy that Gucci bag, then do it the legal and right way!

oh come on !!!

illegal music downloads are a victim less crime , nobody gets hurt.........

[Edited 2010-11-29 08:31:57]


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 13):

oh come on !!!

illegal music downloads are a victim less crime , nobody gets hurt.........

Except the record companies that lose millions of dollars in piracy. I'm no stranger to illegal music downloads myself, I have 800 songs on my ipod and I think I only paid for 3 songs. But you can't deny the amount of money that is lost to piracy.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 13):
oh come on !!!
illegal music downloads are a victim less crime , nobody gets hurt.........

If you are naive enough to believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

A dollar at a time, money is stolen from the artist and companies involved each time a song is downloaded illegally.

Simply put, when you download songs without permission, you are stealing. Piracy is a very real threat to the livelihoods of not only artists and record label employees but also thousands of behind the scene folks – from sound engineers and technicians to warehouse workers to store clerks. Piracy undermines the creative future of music by depriving dollars to find and develop new talent and drains millions of dollars in tax revenue from local communities and their residents.

According to IPI (Institute for Policy Innovation) 2009 study, music piracy estimated caused $12.5 billion of economic losses a year, 71,060 U.S. jobs lost, a loss of $2.7 billion in workers' earnings, and a loss of $553 million in tax revenues.

So by all means, enjoy music and other copyrighted media, but do so responsibly, respectfully, and within the law.



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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2132 times:
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An article from the NY times confirms this removal of certain websites:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/technology/27torrent.html

Apparently according to the article a similar thing happened to 7 websites back in June.
Overall, I can;t see the harm in blocking sites which are 100% selling fake goods; especially as more and more people buy online - this way people will not face disappointment while these criminals profit.

Kev.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Simply put, when you download songs without permission, you are stealing. Piracy is a very real threat to the livelihoods of not only artists and record label employees but also thousands of behind the scene folks – from sound engineers and technicians to warehouse workers to store clerks.

As with anything, moderation is the key. I download compilations of indie rock and such to find new artists - if I like them, I buy their stuff from iTunes. The other stuff I download is mostly to fill out my collection with stuff I've not heard in a long time and the artists I am downloading don't need the money. In any case I've been to my fair share of concerts so it balances out.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):
Wow. Scary stuff indeed

Can't imagine Americans putting up with this for terribly long.

We are a nation of laws. It's high time we enforce them. The only issue I have is that there are probably far more pressing and immediate needs for some law enforcement agencies to be concerned about, but as a matter of principle, why should anyone have a problem with actually enforcing the law as long as it's done with due process, supported by reasonable cause and executed in a lawful manner?

Quoting alberchico (Reply 13):
oh come on !!!

illegal music downloads are a victim less crime , nobody gets hurt.........

Have you ever gone to China, Vietnam, or other places that excel in the blatant ripping off of American intellectual property? Beyond intellectual property, REAL property (ie: fake Rolexes, clothes, sports equipment, other merchandise)?

It is hardly victimless---it is the very fruits of their labor, their ingenuity, the work of their creativity, minds and hands being stolen shamelessly. Their livelihoods, in fact.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 18):
It is hardly victimless---it is the very fruits of their labor, their ingenuity, the work of their creativity, minds and hands being stolen shamelessly. Their livelihoods, in fact.

Well yes, but people are too up in arms about the music. If I want a couple Eagles, Springsteen, or Stones songs, I'll download them. They all have tens of millions in the bank, and are not struggling. If they are, it's because they haven't managed their money. An up and coming artist - sure, I'll buy their stuff.

Quoting Slider (Reply 18):
Have you ever gone to China, Vietnam, or other places that excel in the blatant ripping off of American intellectual property? Beyond intellectual property, REAL property (ie: fake Rolexes, clothes, sports equipment, other merchandise)?

That's a whole different animal - they are ripping things off wholesale, supporting an entire small/medium-sized business environment that depends on the distribution of those items.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21522 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 9):
I don't think I would use the term "censor" to describe that list; it is more like a crackdown on copyright infringement. A quick google of some of the sites listed brings up a long list of angry reviews about fakes goods and bad service.

How is bad service copyright infringement?

-Mir



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 17):
the artists I am downloading don't need the money.

Its not a matter of needing, the fact is they deserve that money.

That artist and all the parties around them created something which you want to own, and should be compensation for it accordingly.
Anyhow, you maybe don't see it, but of that $0.99 iTunes download, only about 10% goes to the artist directly depending on specific royalty agreements, but the rest to support the broader industry infrastructure employing many thousands of people after Apple takes their cut.

What people are doing is an electronic version of shoplifting while sitting in their own living rooms.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 17):
In any case I've been to my fair share of concerts so it balances out.

Great logic. Its OK to rob the bank as I already paid enough in fees in the past  


We all enjoy and benefit from a vibrant entertainment industry and the only way to ensure long term success is to be mindful of copyrights of other peoples intellectual property and act within the law as consumers.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Anyhow, you maybe don't see it, but of that $0.99 iTunes download, only about 10% goes to the artist directly depending on specific royalty agreements, but the rest to support the broader industry infrastructure employing many thousands of people after Apple takes their cut.

What people are doing is an electronic version of shoplifting while sitting in their own living rooms.

Take it up with Apple then  
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Its not a matter of needing, the fact is they deserve that money.

For a couple of songs here or there, on CDs I once had but no longer own? Give me a break  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 22):
Take it up with Apple then

Nothing to do with Apple, or other means of distribution.

At the end of the day, the artist only gets a sliver of the revenue as there is lots of other cost involved in bringing you that form of entertainment. Music, TV show or movie don't appear out of thin air, but are the results of the investment of millions of dollars and hard work of many thousands.

So thinking and artist might not "need" the money, you also end up robbing the thousand of others involved in the industry at the same time.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 22):
Give me a break

Continue as you wish and justify things, but piracy is piracy, no different than shoplifting.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):
Continue as you wish and justify things, but piracy is piracy, no different than shoplifting.

Whatever - to me, they are different, and fortunately, the industry is waking up to the fact that all the internet has done is hasten the day when people would refuse to pay $20 for a CD.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):
So thinking and artist might not "need" the money, you also end up robbing the thousand of others involved in the industry at the same time.

If you ask a lot of the artists, half those people are just in the way anyhow. That's why a lot of artists have started selling their own wares directly - to cut out all the middle men who shave off their dues.



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25 Post contains images PlymSpotter : This really isn't news to me, anyone else who regularly uses Watch Movies (plus associated sites) will also know that their main page is often taken o
26 photopilot : Here's my problem with this whole download issue, granted, from my Canadian perspective. I USED to never download a single thing. But I am a digital
27 Post contains links and images Fly2HMO : I'll just leave this here:
28 Slider : Oh, I get it. So if the artist is wealthy—in your loose determination—you’ll rip them off, but an “up and coming” artist whose personal fin
29 Aaron747 : It's not about that - it's simply that I'd rather spend that money on my kids or in a local restaurant and contribute to the local economy than send
30 rottenray : Censorship?! Really!? So one form of freedom of expression is to steal from someone and distribute those stolen goods to the rest of the world? Boy, t
31 NoUFO : Not only that. If Aaron747 *really* thinks that any up-and-coming artists would get a contract and money from the recording industry if there weren't
32 Aaron747 : Well that's exactly what I did from high school and for years after - and I don't know why that's bad. There is a used market for everything. People
33 Yellowstone : The fees don't cover private copies, unless Canadian copyright law is significantly different from US law. If I buy a CD or a track on iTunes, under
34 Post contains images NWAdeicer : So you are a thief, classic. You try to justify your stealing by saying the above. How do you know how much money these people have and what is it to
35 Post contains images Aaron747 : Easy to look up. If I already owned the CD at one point or another, who cares? My digital collection largely represents replenishing what I once had
36 NWAdeicer : So that gives you carte blanche to steal whatever songs you feel you need from them? That's BS and you know it, quit trying to justify the fact that
37 rottenray : Aaron, you misunderstood... People SHOULD sell cars, clothes, and discs. The problem is that most folks don't sell discs anymore. That's because a lo
38 Aaron747 : The only alternative is to restrict activity on the Internet - and since that won't happen, there is really no alternative. I don't see why I have to
39 rottenray : So, you're saying you just can't help yourself from stealing unless the g'vmint steps in and acts like Big Brother. It's not a case of feeling sorry
40 Aaron747 : I wouldn't know - at least 40% of my collection is pre-1980. Certainly food for thought, but there's not only one way to pay. I just don't see it tha
41 Maverick623 : While I have misgivings about downloading certain unauthorized material, that argument is complete and utter BS. When you steal something from a phys
42 Yellowstone : And the artist only loses something in a small fraction of cases. You can't say that an illegal download cost you a sale if the downloader wouldn't h
43 Maverick623 : True, and we can argue back and forth about the moralism of it all day long. I do it with myself frequently, as I have friends that are in bands. At
44 Starbuk7 : I tend to agree with Aaron747 on this one, when I was younger I owned this music on 8-tracks, those went out of style and we all bought the cassettes,
45 Slider : You just defeated your own argument. The Yeah yeah Yeahs might NOT still be anywhere if people like you STEAL THEIR MUSIC! And actually, most artists
46 san747 : Boo hoo. Like Aaron747 said, these companies are either completely oblivious or completely unwilling to acknowledge that the market has changed and h
47 Post contains images Aaron747 : Irrelevant. I found out about the YYY's through the internet and downloading their stuff - yes, for free. I then turned around and bought concert tic
48 Slider : Come on, man. I love the airline business too, but I'm also in it to make a living. If, when and under whatever circumstances it doesn't support my $
49 Aaron747 : It wasn't theft. Indie labels leak stuff onto the net constantly. I'm always trolling the indie rock compilations that are released monthly to see wh
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