gosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 657 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3851 times:
So, last week, the Onion posted a funny piece about how Obama was writing massive e-mails to Americans trying to explain his policies. It was a funny piece, as Onion articles usually are.
Fox News website Fox Nation then reported then used the Onion article as a source for their own story, even saying the mental health of the president must be called into question as he was writing 75,000 word e-mails! The article was inundated with comments from people dishing Obama who seemingly bought every word of the article in question.
Pretty nuts to be honest. It shows a few things IMO:
-Certain news outlets are so biased against Obama they will literally use anything to bash him
-Fox News is a joke in terms of journalistic standards (getting a story from The Onion FFS)
-Some people really do only get their views from Fox News. None of the comment questioned this article, which shows how little information so many people get from other sources.
What do you guys think? Of course, nothing will change, Fox make so much money by appealing to the conservatives, they don't care where they get their stories from as long as it appeases their base. But, really, America used to be a beacon of journalistic standards. The good old days of "mud racking" journalists are clearly long gone.
HKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3815 times:
As soon as I read the title of this thread, my reaction was "consider the source". MSNBC is just as bad in terms of rhetoric and creative interpretation of the news. I feel as if the major media outlets in the U.S. are focused on keeping Americans distracted from other less-glamorous issues, but those that are more important. TV wants eyeballs, so they can pile-up the rates on advertisers. Any story that can bring in more eyeballs will fatten the bottom-line in the end and that is priority one.
gosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 657 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3809 times:
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 1): MSNBC is just as bad in terms of rhetoric and creative interpretation of the news. I
This isn't "creative interpretation" though, is it? They took a joke store from a satire site and passed it off as the truth to their readers, who lapped it up.
I agree though, the media landscape has become a tool for dividing rather than informing.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10568 posts, RR: 53 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 1): MSNBC is just as bad in terms of rhetoric and creative interpretation of the news.
1) Um, no it's not.
2) Why is it so fashionable amongst some people not to own up to their own failings without resorting to pointing fingers at others? Do you defend Fox's use of the Onion as a source?
HKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3790 times:
I was thinking more in the terms of artistic license with a story's content. I also have a hard time believing that there is not one person on Fox's production staff that doesn't know the Onion is a satirical web-site. They have to check sources at some point. I could be way-off on that assumption, but it seems unlikely.
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9911 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3789 times:
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 1): MSNBC is just as bad in terms of rhetoric and creative interpretation of the news.
There is the problem right there: The right believes with all it's heart and soul that because FOX is so slanted to the right that MSNBC, because of it's left leaning commentators must be reporting news. They are NOT!! MSNBC has commentators. They make no bones about it. Unlike FOX who claims to report the news "fair and balanced." See the difference?
Again: FOX claims they are "fair and balanced" news while MSNBC does not pose as a news outlet.
CargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1178 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3774 times:
MSNBC is just as bad in terms of rhetoric and creative interpretation of the news.
No, it really isn't. There's a false equivalency going on here. MSNBC is no doubt left-leaning, but I've rarely seen the kind of whole-cloth making stuff up, pushing blatantly false or intentionally misleading stories, or hate mongering that goes on on fox news on MSNBC.
Just because one is left leaning and one is right leaning doesn't mean that they are equally the same but in diametrically opposed directions. Standards at Fox are MUCH lower than at MSNBC. As noted, MSNBC also doesn't pretend that it's opinion commentators are reporting the news with no opinion injected.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10568 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3774 times:
Quoting seb146 (Reply 5): There is the problem right there: The right believes with all it's heart and soul that because FOX is so slanted to the right that MSNBC, because of it's left leaning commentators must be reporting news. They are NOT!! MSNBC has commentators. They make no bones about it. Unlike FOX who claims to report the news "fair and balanced." See the difference?
Again: FOX claims they are "fair and balanced" news while MSNBC does not pose as a news outlet.
Actually, I can't agree with any of this post.
Both Fox and MSNBC purport themselves as news, with commentary during prime time. The differences I see are that MSNBC's commentary is more based on facts (usually) and not made up sources. To say the two are equal is ludicrous, but to say one is virtuous while the other is sham is also ludicrous.
Fox reports fake news. ALL DAY LONG. If you only get your news from Fox, you are not informed.
MSNBC reports hard news until prime time, at which point they have liberal commentators discuss the facts from a liberal point of view. If you only get your news from MSNBC, you are informed, but not 100%.
HKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3741 times:
I am not defending Fox at all. It is laughable that they did use an Onion story as a source, but I don't thin kit was an accident. The pundits on both side are just talking heads. Ever consider that these two networks are the way they are to keep the listeners busy arguing about points they have little or no impact in changing? I think Keith Olberman is just as bad as Bill O'Reilly and Beck has a place all his own as the shock jock of political theater.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10568 posts, RR: 53 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3696 times:
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 8): I am not defending Fox at all.
Okay, carry on then.
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 8): Ever consider that these two networks are the way they are to keep the listeners busy arguing about points they have little or no impact in changing?
Absolutely! I think MSNBC's decision to go left was the dumbest thing they could have done, and the most damaging thing that could happen to American society because it set up the idea that it's okay for Fox to make up news and be an arm of the Republican party. You know, because MSNBC is an arm of the Democratic party, as Republicans would try to say.
Bias in news means it's no longer news. The drafters that wrote the First Amendment would be very upset to see that the press with whom they placed their trust have utterly misused such trust.
But that in no way makes Fox and MSNBC equivalent. It's a matter of degree: Fox is a F5 tornado ripping through the intellect of the country. MSNBC is a dust devil.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4994 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3658 times:
Is any of this really a suprise to anyone? Let's be honest, a good deal of what FOX "reports" is made up to beging with. Apparently, this time they decided to use a "source".
Quoting gosimeon (Thread starter): Certain news outlets are so biased against Obama they will literally use anything to bash him
Pretty much!
Quoting gosimeon (Thread starter): Fox News is a joke in terms of journalistic standards (getting a story from The Onion FFS)
Indeed. It's been a joke for years. That people still believe their "fair and balanced" tagline boggles the mind and just goes to show that some people will believe anything as long as it reconfirms their own personal belief system.
Quoting gosimeon (Thread starter): Some people really do only get their views from Fox News.
Agreed. I've been saying this for years, and get shouted down by the usual suspects each and every time. Many of these people are the same ones who believe everything Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck to say to be the gospel truth. Again, each and every time I make this claim, I get shouted down by the usual suspects. Never mind that I'm well acquainted with those who fit this description to a tee, I must be hearing things.
futurepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2018 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 1): MSNBC is just as bad in terms of rhetoric and creative interpretation of the news.
Yet, it always seems to be Fox News who fall for these fake stories, and not MSNBC
"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7802 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3608 times:
Quoting gosimeon (Thread starter): None of the comment questioned this article, which shows how little information so many people get from other sources.
Actually some commentators did express their doubts.
What really cracked me up was the lady who claimed she got a copy of the mail - of course not directly from the White House or Obama's PR people, as this would indicate that she supports or at least supported Obama - which would probably considered treason on foxnews.com - but from a friend.
HKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3601 times:
If I were working at Fox, I would be into all of the Obama public media content. Just to know what they are saying and how it is said. I also would keep that close to the vest.
AKviator From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
Now wait just a minute. Fox isn't that bad. They have some prime-time crackpots in Beck and Hannity (O'reilly isn't bad), and while I dont watch Fox that often, it seems to me that most of their anchors (the ones you've probably never heard of) appear to be relatively fair. However, having said that, I do think the "Fair & Balanced" slogan is crap. They have far too many right-wing commentators (Beck, Hannity, Huckabee) and frequent contributors (Palin, Gingrich, Rove, Krauthammer, etc) to maintain a 'balanced' network, and ridiculous stories like this are definitly not fair.
I think the actual news part of Fox is more a stronghold of shoddy journalism than bias.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16933 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3490 times:
avent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
Quoting HKA098 (Reply 11): Would it be accurate to state that Fox = Republican and MSNBC = Liberal ?
No.
FOX = pandering/anti-intellectual and MSNBC = Liberal
would be more like it.
As for this particular episode, it is nothing more than a more obvious example of FOX's anti-Obama bias; that it will immediately and cravenly promote whatever anti-Obama story they can get their hands on is nothing new. They are an unsophisticated and credulous 'news' source for an unsophisticated and credulous audience.
ozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3468 times:
|This is how far populism has gone in the US. Buoyed up by the fact that their mis-information and outright lies ("some people say...", "a lot of people are saying..."... "Just a commentator", "Fair and Balanced" - Aldous Huxley anybody?) have helped usher an intellectually bankrupt political movement to power in the Mid-Terms (did you know that Republican voters in mid-term exit surveys were wrong on 5 out of 5 key facts: raising of taxes, economic growth, payback of tarp money and unemployment?) Fox (Murdoch) now seem to have abandoned any pretense they ever might have had toward respectable journalism in the wider American or global community(their viewers were never a problem). They genuinely don't care that we know they lie; IT WORKS, like GREED in the movie Wall street. Morally bankrupt, they are now hellbent only on an agenda of outcomes which justify any useful means to manipulate a nasty compliant mainstream electorate. I fear for the short term future at least in the US: this is very similar to the cynical manipulation of the Sans Culottes in France during the Revolution that lead to the grass roots atrocities known as the "Terror", with neighbour denouncing neighbour and mobs tearing the denounced apart in the street with their bear hands, crazed with fear, hatred and the sort of narratives we already hear from the crazier factions of the Tea Party.
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
AGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
So should the governemnt shut FOX News down to protect your President?
I read Fox Nation .. it has some good stories and some I just blow right over . The one you are getting your jollies over I do not recall seeing ... but it is entirely possible. So what ...? Is the President so fragile and thin skin that he cant take a little story telling? (Yes he is by the way) . Fox Nation is Not FOX News... it is a community sight .
Get some fresh air people, Or try reading the NYT once in a while if you want agreement with your ideas. There are plenty of left leaning pro administration press web sights and news outlets around ... its called choice ... make it.
It is going to be interesting to see how the left in the end gets rid of FOX and other right media ... it is going to happen eventually with all of your support and obedience I am sure.
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10568 posts, RR: 53 Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3436 times:
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21): Get some fresh air people, Or try reading the NYT once in a while if you want agreement with your ideas.
I don't watch or read the news to get validation that I'm correct. I watch or read the news to find out what is going on in the world.
This validation as news thing is dangerous. And quite honestly, shame on Americans for being more interested in being validated than finding out what's true.
CargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1178 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
So should the governemnt shut FOX News down to protect your President?
That's odd, I think he's you're President too.
Is the President so fragile and thin skin that he cant take a little story telling?
I don't see Obama in here talking about how sad he is that a community of Fox News viewers would be gullible enough to believe a story from the Onion was legit. In fact, I think he might find that rather amusing if it weren't so sad.
(Yes he is by the way)
That's very interesting. Why don't you share with us your experience of trying to turn around a government ravaged by eight years of mismanagement and two wars while simultaneously attempting to staunch the economic bleeding of the worst recession in 75 years - a recession brought on by the deregulatory policies of his predecessors, Democratic and Republican.
It is going to be interesting to see how the left in the end gets rid of FOX and other right media
I don't think that'll ever happen. You see unlike those who wished to silence dissent back when Conservatives were previously in power and we were launching pointless wars, the Left is pretty tolerant of dissenting opinions. That's because being a Liberal means questioning everything - including your own leaders and those people you think represent you. That's one reason why Democrats have such a hard time with consensus and party-line unity. Republicans, on the other hand, never have problems like that.
But more to the point - Fox News and Right-wing media like Worldnet Daily and such - they're bad for society. They often promote bigoted, narrow-minded, short-sighted views that won't help us at all as a nation or as a world. But because we live in a country where freedom of speech is guaranteed, they're free to say whatever they like. But that doesn't mean that they can say anything at any time. When Father Coughlin (the Glenn Beck of the 1930's) began advocating the ascension of Hitler and talking about how America would be better once Hitler arrived, the Government did in fact get him off the air. He then tried to reach his audience by writing a newsletter - but the government revoked his mailing permit. He could write it, but the government did not have to distribute it for him.
If you are in a group that is frequently targeted by right wing media, like being a Gay person, Hispanic, Muslim, or an Immigrant, it's plain to see what right-wing media advocates and terrifying to see how many unthinking people lap up the crazy stuff they say like kittens with a big bowl of milk. But they have the right to advocate it - within some limits. When a TV station starts advocating rising up against the government or armed insurrection, that's over the line. I've heard such statements on Fox News before.
I don't think anybody is going to shut down fox news, and I think it would be wrong to do so. But that doesn't mean they aren't very detrimental to our political system and our society.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3396 times:
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21): The one you are getting your jollies over I do not recall seeing ... but it is entirely possible.
I think they took it down as soon as they were called on it.
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21): Fox Nation is Not FOX News... it is a community sight .
It's run by FoxNews, so it's perfectly acceptable to hold them accountable for what gets posted on it.
-Mir
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25 avent: I'm more worried about our democracy than an individual president.
26 AKviator: As ive said before, the problem democrats have with these half-assed stories is not that they are in disagreement with democrat views, but because th
27 DocLightning: Not to protect the President, but to protect a private citizen, Barak H. Obama (side-note: why does a 3mo laptop with fully updated software not reco
28 Mir: Possibly because it's "Barack" Can't comment on "Obama", though. -Mir
29 TWFirst: I recently invented a new term for those behind FOX News and those who get their 'news' from it.. FOXtards Infuriates me when I'm in the Presidents Cl
30 MAH4546: The Fox Nation article makes it pretty clear it isn't reporting it as "news." It cites The Onion, which everybody knows is a satire paper, and it is h
31 Dreadnought: Guys, Fox Nation is little more than a blog - it's not as if the story was put on the Fox News website, in which case I would agree you have a case.
32 jetblueguy22: He is the President of the United States. This stuff comes with the job. Sounds like someone else is quoting an Onion article! This is a fascinating
33 CargoLex: Okay, enough now. The man has been president for nearly two years now. Stop blaming the last guy. Bush didn't blame Clinton for not taking out Osama s
34 EMBQA: Fox Nation has little to nothing about 'serious' news. Just go look at today's headlines...........and a quick Google search will show you several oth
35 jetblueguy22: It may not move fast but the Stimulus package is an Obama administration program. It was supposed to save us but it hasn't. Nobody expected all this
37 Aphonic: Have you ever heard of George Soros? Most if not all in the liberal media were and continue to be grossly biased in Obama's favor, ignoring his many
38 CargoLex: It was supposed to save us but it hasn't. Nobody expected all this money but he has been spending money like it has been raining 20s. If it hadn't hap
40 Aphonic: Not necessarily, especially if Obama Care is repealed and many of Obama's other wasteful projects get scraped. Raising taxes could be even less likel
41 CargoLex: Not necessarily, especially if Obama Care is repealed and many of Obama's other wasteful projects get scraped. Raising taxes could be even less likely
42 avent: According to the link in the first posting, FOX Nation did not indicate it was satire.
43 Aphonic: His stimulus bill, his bailout of GM where he screwed the bond holders, which the US gov currently holds a majority ownership of GM, then there's the
44 TWFirst: ?!? Very surprised and disappointed to read a post like this from you. What do you view as Obama's 'failure' exactly? And what were your expectations
45 OA412: And who is your president? What sad, fairweather patriotism to not consider someone your President because you disagree with their views. Now wait a
46 avent: Juan Williams can only be construed as being a liberal when compared FOX types; he was a water bearer for the GWB war machine. You calling him a libe
47 OA412: Which would never have happened if GM actually knew how to run their business correctly. It is ultimately GM's fault if any of these bond holders wer
48 SKYSERVICE_330: So, the 'liberal media' ... with the worst ratings, least diverse pundits, and an audience far smaller than their conservative counterpart(s), using
49 seb146: Also, just because he says "I disagree, Sean" does not make him a liberal. Just because he disagrees with the great and powerful Hannity does not mak
50 dxing: And an Onion story did. Not reported or commented on by anyone at Fox, just linked. How is that wrong? How is that not "telling the truth" for that m
51 gosimeon: I know you're a fan of Fox News, but come on! They didn't link to the article. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what they did not do. Look at the
52 CargoLex: His stimulus bill, his bailout of GM So, only those two things then? Because we've already talked about those. Stimulus - necessary. And thanks to dea
53 gosimeon: Soros is a rich liberal. Despite what Glenn Beck might tell you, he is not someone who tries to destroy America and take down capitalism. He has ever
54 OA412: Is that really saying anything positive about Fox News' audience. In essence, you're suggesting that once it is revealed that the network or one of i
55 gosimeon: They're having a bad week: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011300024
56 OA412: What a complete joke. Rather than admit they were wrong, they simply add a question mark which implies that the story may be true even though the sch
57 dxing: If you just look at the screen grab you provided courtsey of the Raw Story article that's true. If you click on the "google search capture" link the
58 gosimeon: They'd be there for all to see if Fox hadn't taken them down (and again, why did they take the articles down if there was nothing wrong with them lik
59 AGM100: News flash from Fox Nation .... Kim Kardashian and her boobs. http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/20...ashian-pleaded-god-about-her-boobs See its not a
60 dxing: That is a moniker no different than monikers used by news departments all over the world. Does that mean they don't make mistakes, of course not. It
61 gosimeon: Yes it is. It claims they are fair and balanced. That means they ought to be fair in balanced. Why would that bother me? That's a good thing. My issu
62 windy95: You have to be kidding Another kidder... No he is not. And yes I hope he fails with his agenda. No they did not. It was a blog story linked to the or
63 seb146: Any time anyone said the exact same thing 2000-2008, what did we hear from the right? "Respect the office! Resepct the president! You are un-American
64 TWFirst: Yes but they sure think they do, don't they? And yet they throw a fit if we dare criticize their racist, inhumane policies or their right-wing govern
65 N1120A: Yet, when MSNBC does hard news, its actually hard news and not commentary masquerading as hard news. No - Fox = Fascist and MSNBC = Center-Left Uh, e
66 dxing: Does that mean that msnbc doesn't promote the truth? From their "about us" page. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32027560/ The Msnbc Digital Network is a
67 Dreadnought: Man that's funny. You do of course realize that fascism has more similarities with the left than with the right?
68 CargoLex: You do of course realize that fascism has more similarities with the left than with the right Are you going to tell us about National Socialism now? B
69 Dreadnought: Both Socialism and Fascism share the same key ingredient - Statism. The idea that the government has the inherent right to dictate your life, either
70 CargoLex: ...and as I have said, both are discredited forms of Governance. I still don't understand why you think "the left is closer to fascism." That's just n
71 Mir: No, Fox isn't fascist. But, to paraphrase The Simpsons, it is "#1 with facsists". -Mir
72 dxing: I'd hate to think what you consider the "left"to be. When you have a major player on the network getting a "tingle" down his leg. And the network has
73 CargoLex: I'd hate to think what you consider the "left"to be. I can understand how, if you only listen to something like Fox News, you might think MSNBC was fa
74 san747: Well considering you're Israeli and not American, that makes sense. David Cameron isn't my PM because I'm American and not British. A real American m
75 N1120A: Center-Left = Lawrence O'Donnell. Also happens to be my favorite person on MSNBC Actually, given that he wasn't fairly elected the first time, I thin
76 san747: Fair enough, but I meant that in an academic/rhetorical sense.
77 dxing: I watch all three pretty regularly and by far out of the three, MSNBC is far left and makes no bones about it. The don't care if they are percieved t
78 TWFirst: It makes me think people are more ENTERTAINED by them than CNN.
80 jetblueguy22: How did it not go far enough? It's already gonna cost an arm and a leg. It's absurd to say it didn't go far enough. It went too far. I would think cu
81 gosimeon: If this is the case, do you think Bush was wrong in helping the banks out? Would you have rathered if he had of let the banks go bust bust?
82 TWFirst: Wrong. It's effect on the deficit is modeled to be net positive. Wrong. We DO NOT have a pure capitalist system and never have. Pure capitalism doesn
83 Aphonic: He's an admitted Socialist! So, in essence you're a Socialist. Not suprising. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxKd5lpZwLY MSNBC Anchor O'Donnell: "I A
84 jetblueguy22: Yes I do. Yeah but this is the government we are talking about. Plenty of things are modeled a certain way but they almost never turn out that way. Y
86 gosimeon: And what about the people who had money is those banks? What about the businesses? Would it be fair for those people to lose their deposits or invest
87 gosimeon: Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich would be two obvious ones.
88 CargoLex: Yes I do. So, just for clarification, you're saying that a second Great Depression - a global economic meltdown in which ordinary citizens might no lo
89 Aphonic: Two different animals. Most of the Bank Bailouts "TARP" have been paid back with interest. Obama's GM on the other hand will be a perpetual and const
90 jetblueguy22: The money in those banks are all insured by the FDIC. People wouldn't lose their money. I'm not right of Bush trust me lol. I may have some strong ec
91 CargoLex: Most of the Bank Bailouts "TARP" have been paid back with interest. Obama's GM on the other hand will be a perpetual and constant Bailout, costing tax
92 CargoLex: There is no proof it would have gotten that far!! I am not advocating for a second depression, I am just advocating for true capitalism. But we don't
93 jetblueguy22: I understand the lack of a true capitalist system but I believe we should go back to it. No I did not. I know government regulation isn't a new thing
94 CargoLex: I understand the lack of a true capitalist system but I believe we should go back to it. We did alot better, as a society, once we adapted some very b
95 jetblueguy22: Pure capitalism doesn't mean all those things though. In my opinion it just means less regulation. I understand the government does much. But they re
96 Aphonic: They still owe half of their TARP obligations despite the fact the GM CEO stated in April of this year they "repaid our government loan, in full, wit
97 CargoLex: Pure capitalism doesn't mean all those things though. Actually it does. All of those things are impositions the government has made upon business. No?
98 Aphonic: NO, they still owe over $25 billion dollars. http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets...d-return-on-Wall-Street/4993845010 The US government invested US$
99 CargoLex: There were two separate infusions of capital. One in late 2008 under President Bush and a larger one in 2009 under President Obama. Much of this is de
100 Aphonic: No I don't, nor should I. It's nothing but conniving distortion to fool people into thinking GM has paid their debt, when only half has been returned
101 avent: A nice Orwellian history lesson. With this kind of simplistic reasoning Capitalism is the same as Communism because they obsess over power. Thanks fo
102 CargoLex: No I don't, nor should I. It's nothing but conniving distortion to fool people into thinking GM has paid their debt, when only half has been returned
103 dxing: Oh we still have those, and sometimes the stampede is started by a member of Congress. http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...r_chuck_schumer_cause_i
104 Dreadnought: Only for a simple mind. Power under capitalism is distributed among many (except in monopoly situations where there is rightfully law to restrict suc
105 CargoLex: Fortunately as you point out the FDIC protects accounts up to an individual limit of 100k but it doesn't help matters when those supposedly in respons
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