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President Obama Visits Afghanistan  
User currently offlinepropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 596 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Another and the second surprise visit to Afghanistan from President Obama. Check it out!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40492083...-south_and_central_asia/?GT1=43001

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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Spends three hours and calls Karzai on the phone for 15 minutes..  


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User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

I'm sure the media is spinning it already as yet another Obama vacation.

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8123 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Spends three hours and calls Karzai on the phone for 15 minutes..

I'd have a lot more respect for him if he went to personally assassinate Karzai. LOL



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Spends three hours and calls Karzai on the phone for 15 minutes..

They wanted to do it face-to-face, but couldn't. Probably related to security, and on a trip like that, I can't fault them for calling it off if it was perceived to be too dangerous.

Of course, had Obama actually visited Karzai, I'm sure we'd be hearing complaints about how he should have spent more time with the troops.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Spends three hours and calls Karzai on the phone for 15 minutes..
Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Of course, had Obama actually visited Karzai, I'm sure we'd be hearing complaints about how he should have spent more time with the troops.

Exactly. Hell, Obama could cure cancer tomorrow and there would be folks on this board criticizing him because he didn't cure AIDS at the same time. No reason or logic really, just good ol' fashioned partisanship.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Spends three hours and calls Karzai on the phone for 15 minutes..

That's three hours longer than anyone else on this thread. (So far.)

What did you expect him to do there?

I swear, some people only know how to criticize.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Spends three hours and calls Karzai on the phone for 15 minutes..

That's three hours longer than anyone else on this thread. (So far.)

Not me. I once spent about the same time in Kabul airport earlier this year (as ground engineer on flight duty ("Flying spanner") on a cargo B747).

Jan


User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

More waste of taxpayer dollars. Obama could have called Karzai from Washington.

User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11575 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 8):
More waste of taxpayer dollars.
Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Spends three hours and calls Karzai on the phone for 15 minutes

And when anyone in the Bush administration visited, they were doing their patriotic duty and showing how much respect they have for the troops. Sheesh, people! Get over it! It is okay for one president but not another? What happened to respecting the office? None of this sounds like respect for the office to me!



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User currently offlinepropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
They wanted to do it face-to-face, but couldn't. Probably related to security, and on a trip like that, I can't fault them for calling it off if it was perceived to be too dangerous.

Of course, had Obama actually visited Karzai, I'm sure we'd be hearing complaints about how he should have spent more time with the troops.

-Mir

From what I've heard according to the press, is that bad weather canceled his visit from Bagram to Kabul, not because of security reasons, on the last visit Obama did manage to visit Karzai in Kabul after landing in Bagram.


User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 9):
And when anyone in the Bush administration visited, they were doing their patriotic duty and showing how much respect they have for the troops. Sheesh, people! Get over it! It is okay for one president but not another? What happened to respecting the office? None of this sounds like respect for the office to me!

I never claimed it would not be just as much of a waste if it were Bush doing the traveling. You assumed that. Presidents need to stay home and mind the store.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8123 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 11):
Presidents need to stay home and mind the store.

What are you talking about dude? The VC-25 is a flying White House - there's very little the President can't do while on a trip as opposed to back in DC.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Probably related to security,

I think they said it was weather. Couldn't safely fly to or from Karazi's location.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 9):

And when anyone in the Bush administration visited, they were doing their patriotic duty and showing how much respect they have for the troops.

Actually, when Bush did it, I thought it was an absolute waste of taxpayer dollars. The mission had to be classified and they also had to submit a false flight plan for AF-1 identifying the aircraft as a Citation (or something). A British pilot almost blew the whole thing because they flew right over England in broad daylight.

I've never thought it was a good idea to fly a President into a war zone.

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 11):
Presidents need to stay home and mind the store.

I disagree. A President can do a lot by traveling. The India trip (for which the costs were vastly overblown by Fox News) was important.

But this trip was not important. It was also very dangerous and could have been compromised had any pilot seen AF-1 in flight during daylight.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Good for him. Aside from everything, a visit from the president is always usually a MASSIVE morale boost for the troops on the ground  



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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

I see nothing wrong with the C-in-C visiting the troops on the ground. It gives him the opportunity to see (at least partially) what is going on and to talk to the officers commanding local operations. It may also help to boost morale among the troops and shows that they and their efforts are not forgotten.

Would his critics have commended Obama had he never visited Afghanistan? Personally, I have no problem with a President entering into a war zone (although I suspect if his advisers thought it too great a risk, it wouldn't happen). I believe very strongly that those who make decisions to put other people's lives at risk in the service of their country should be willing to face the same risk themselves. My father, who served with the British Army, brought me up to believe that you should never ask another man to do something that you are not prepared to do yourself.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

[quote=BMIFlyer,reply=14]Good for him. Aside from everything, a visit from the president is always usually a MASSIVE morale boost for the troops on the ground

I could not agree more, I say good for him also. I give the man credit for doing this for the troops. I just love the naysayers once again, dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't. The troops sure looked happy to see him, of course who cares what they and their families think?    



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I think they said it was weather. Couldn't safely fly to or from Karazi's location.

Of course they could. But they probably couldn't do it and maintain adequate levels of security. I suppose it is sort of chicken and egg question as to what was the real reason - either way, I don't have a problem with it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I disagree. A President can do a lot by traveling. The India trip (for which the costs were vastly overblown by Fox News) was important.

Important for whom? Presidential travel is too expensive and often unnecessary. Telephones, Telepresence technology can be used to do the same tasks. A huge morale booster for the troops would be for them to go home.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11575 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I've never thought it was a good idea to fly a President into a war zone.

No, it never is a good idea. But, the president is in command of troops, so he should show up once in a while at least just to say "you are doing a good job and we have not forgotten about you."

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 18):
Important for whom? Presidential travel is too expensive and often unnecessary. Telephones, Telepresence technology can be used to do the same tasks.

It is a psychological thing. It is a morale boost and better for relations if a person shows up rather than a teleconference. Sure, it is cheaper to phone into a NATO meeting in Switzerland, but how can he be taken seriously that way?

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 18):
A huge morale booster for the troops would be for them to go home.

YES!!! What many many of us have been saying for years!!!



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User currently offlinehka098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 19):

It is a psychological thing. It is a morale boost and better for relations if a person shows up rather than a teleconference. Sure, it is cheaper to phone into a NATO meeting in Switzerland, but how can he be taken seriously that way?

I suppose you are right. I just can't get past the point that Pres. Obama is a politician and just another one of same crop of politicians that have been in charge for years. Pres. Obama never served in the military and I, personally, consider that mandatory for holding such an office. I felt the same about Pres. Clinton when he was in office and I was in the Army.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting hka098 (Reply 20):
Pres. Obama never served in the military and I, personally, consider that mandatory for holding such an office.

The Founders didn't.

In fact, the Founders insisted that the leader of the military be a civilian.



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting hka098 (Reply 20):
I just can't get past the point that Pres. Obama is a politician and just another one of same crop of politicians that have been in charge for years.

....and just like politicians before him, he is visiting deployed troops.

Quoting hka098 (Reply 20):
Pres. Obama never served in the military and I, personally, consider that mandatory for holding such an office.

Too bad the US Constitution disagrees with you.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 18):

Important for whom?

For all Americans. Our President needs to be able to travel. Telepresence is no substitute.


User currently offlinehka098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 22):
....and just like politicians before him, he is visiting deployed troops.

...and just like politicians before him, he is full of it. Words from a professional politician mean little. Why does the President need to travel? Especially so extravagantly? His concerns should be at home and not abroad.

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 22):
Too bad the US Constitution disagrees with you.

Never claimed it did, was stating a personal opinion.


25 Mir : His concerns should be with the American public. And right now, there are a lot of American citizens overseas, risking their lives on behalf of the c
26 star_world : It is insular attitudes such as yours that have resulted in the US being where it is today... Who cares about the rest of the world!
27 Post contains images Superfly : At least he'll get to hear one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.
28 futurepilot16 : THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS....They'd probably be more pissed off at the fact that the effect of him curing cancer is that now, there's gonna be a dramatic
29 ronglimeng : I had a close look in the accompanying article at the Jim Young/Reuters photograph of the President meeting the troops. Most of them seemed thrilled t
30 hka098 : Dumbfounded? I am not surprised... I'd rather the President NOT travel. The Vice President can do that. If he stayed at home, maybe he would be less
31 Aaron747 : A great way to start is cutting Medicare fraud and $25 billion defense contracts for stuff we'll never use in the war on terror too. Don't see you ta
32 hka098 : I don't know enough about health care to make a comment either way. I do think defense-spending needs to be cut substantially. If it were up to me, I
33 Post contains images futurepilot16 : Never mind, i'm not surprised to see another uninformed ignorant American complaining about what makes them unhappy. You people complain about the du
34 hka098 : Thanks but no thanks... I do not think it is a great idea to argue with idiots, but you seem willing. If you need an explanation why defense spending
35 Post contains images futurepilot16 : WOW, name calling now. I embrace being an idiot. If by idiot you mean I don't make assumptions on domestic and foreign policy as well as monetary and
36 hka098 : Great. I am glad for you, that you are amused. Dude... Still, no one can refute any claim I have made. Some just add sarcasm and little else. I also
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