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Assange Supporters Attack Visa/Mastercard Websites  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40559236/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

Now...    I could have sworn this guy was all about exposing the truth and whistleblowing and all that other stuff. Why are his supporters attacking visa and mastercard websites? It's as if they think it's a huge game and their purpose is to gain as much notoriety as possible!

As I said before, the guy and his group of minions aren't anything but a bunch of attention seeking criminals.

[Edited 2010-12-08 15:21:02]


"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

They're attacking the websites because the companies (and paypal) have pulled their services from Wikileaks.

Although some of the cables didn't do Rudd (our former Prime Minister, now foreign minister) any favours, even he said that

"Mr Assange is not himself responsible for the unauthorised release of 250,000 documents from the US diplomatic communications network. The Americans are responsible for that,"

[Edited 2010-12-08 15:37:55]

User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

No of course not. The day after Assange get's arrested, computer hackers take over Visa and Mastercard websites, and post messages on said websites in support of wikileaks and Assange and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Assange? That's what you're trying to tell me? Well...I guess it's probably the US go't using propaganda to lead supporters away from wikileaks, that HAS to be it.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 2):
They're attacking the websites because the companies (and paypal) have pulled their services from Wikileaks.

I figured that out, but do they realize the fact that some of these companies don't want their names associated with controversial events? If people are using paypal to support wikileaks, paypal, visa, mastercard, amazon, they're all gonna pull wikileaks' account, simple as that.

It's cyber terrorism is what it is, getting Americans riled up because this criminal get's arrested.

[Edited 2010-12-09 02:36:41 by SA7700]


"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 4):

It's cyber terrorism is what it is, getting Americans riled up because this criminal get's arrested.

He has been arrested on charges of sexual assault, which ought to be tried in a Swedish court if a case can be made by the prosecution.

Where is the criminality of Wikileaks? I'm with our Foreign Minister on this one.....

[Edited 2010-12-08 15:49:55]

User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

He is a criminal in the sense that he's a computer hacker and so are his followers. They get together in a dark basement and try to hack into gov't websites, and otherwise try to disrupt the inner workings of every day society.

What I DIDN'T say however was the fact that he is guilty in this sense of stealing any information, espionage against the US, Rape, or even posession of stolen goods. I don't think he's guilty of any of these things even the rape. But do I think he is a ischievous criminal hell bent on getting attention? Absolutely.

With him being Australian at all, it doesn't surprise me that you would find him to be somewhat of a martyr, his website airing America's dirty laundry for your amusement, even though the airing of that dirty laundry has probably hurt Australia as well.

[Edited 2010-12-09 02:39:06 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 2):
They're attacking the websites because the companies (and paypal) have pulled their services from Wikileaks.

I wouldn't support the attacks on Visa and Mastercard if they had stated their reasons were purely business.

Paypal on the other hand deserves to get taken down. Not only they stop processing transactions, but they actually seize money, and sit on it collecting interest. In several cases they actually empty people's bank accounts for arbitrary reasons, freeze the funds, and force the rightful owners through a carnival game of hoops in order to get their money back. I wouldn't be surprised if Paypal were still collecting money for Wikileaks, but not passing it on.


User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 4):
No of course not. The day after Assange get's arrested, computer hackers take over Visa and Mastercard websites, and post messages on said websites in support of wikileaks and Assange and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Assange? That's what you're trying to tell me? Well...I guess it's probably the US go't using propaganda to lead supporters away from wikileaks, that HAS to be it.

Do you think Assange told them to do this, or even anyone at Wikileaks for that matter? You give the Wikileaks crew and Anonymous too much credit for being an organized criminal outfit. The U.S. Govt. is leveraging pressure on these companies and others, to cut-off anything Wikileaks related. They are trying to kill Wikileaks' source of funding. Little do they realize that online donations are not the only way Wikileaks obtains funding. This is all politics now...


User currently offlinedeltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Welcome to the new era of internet anarchy. The U.S. and (mostly) American companies might be the big targets right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see these faceless internet "vigilantes" continue to expand their scope as they move on to promote chaos and general statelessness over the next decade +. It's not only states that love power...

User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

Quoting HKA098 (Reply 10):

Do you think Assange told them to do this, or even anyone at Wikileaks for that matter? You give the Wikileaks crew and Anonymous too much credit for being an organized criminal outfit. The U.S. Govt. is leveraging pressure on these companies and others, to cut-off anything Wikileaks related. They are trying to kill Wikileaks' source of funding. Little do they realize that online donations are not the only way Wikileaks obtains funding. This is all politics now...

No i don't think Assange told them to do this. I just believe that there a small group of people who will do anything to support this guy. What happens when these hackers decide to get off their computers and do something more sinister?



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 14):
What happens when these hackers decide to get off their computers and do something more sinister?

The only time most hackers get away from their computers is to get coffee, use the bathroom, or get more barbecue flavored potato chips. Anything sinister coming from the hackers I know, will be through a keyboard. Think Justin Long in Die Hard 4. Also, these folks are usually smart enough to know that physically attacking something important is a great way to get caught.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

There is no doubt that those hacking Visa and MasterCard's websites is illegal and morally wrong, all who do that should face criminal penalties.

Here is what gets to me about these cutoffs: Both Visa and MC have cancelled any processing of payments to Wikileaks yet both process payments for prostitution, gentlemen's clubs, porn sites (including those with very perverse subjects and possibility illegal child porn) and other products and services that may be far worse than Wikileaks releases.

To me both Visa and MC (along with Paypal) either got told by the Federal Government to cut Wikileaks off or else they will face penalties or the bosses of them were fearful of that happening so used their rules to cut them off.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8044 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Protesting the arrest of Assange is one thing, but deliberately interfering with a business website is a serious crime in multiple countries that could lead to long jail terms. In short, those "hacktivists"---if caught--now could be facing a long stay in the "grey bar motel" for this.

User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 7):
They get together in a dark basement and try to hack into gov't websites, and otherwise try to disrupt the inner workings of every day society.


You've been watching too many movies. Why would they need a dark basement when you can hack from anywhere?

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 7):
him being Australian at all

Actually it has nothing to do with his nationality and your argument could be reversed: you are only upset because he appears to have targeted the US. If he had targeted Iran or China, would anyone (apart from Iran and China) be criticising him?


Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):
yet both process payments for prostitution, gentlemen's clubs, porn sites

Yes, it does seem strange that suddenly the web host and now paypal and MasterCard discover a breach of their terms of use but seem not to notice far more serious breaches. Will MasterCard block online subscriptions to other media producers who have published the file, like Der Spiegel, The Guardian and others in the US? If the stated reason is true they should be consistant. What about blocking payments to satellite and cable TV channels, will they do that?


User currently offlineHKA098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Twitter just shut down the @anon_operation account, which was being used to coordinate activities against Master Card and Visa.

User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 8):
I wouldn't support the attacks on Visa and Mastercard if they had stated their reasons were purely business.

Paypal on the other hand deserves to get taken down.


But it's okay to tamper with a legitimate financial system which hundreds of people worldwide rely on?

And it's up to you to decide whether someone should take PayPal down?




Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 8):
In several cases they actually empty people's bank accounts for arbitrary reasons, freeze the funds, and force the rightful owners through a carnival game of hoops in order to get their money back.


Source?

PayPal cannot "empty someone's bank account." The most they can do is freeze someone's PayPal account.



Which is, if anything, a little worse.

Let me explain.

It takes LOTS of computers connected to the internet to create a denial of service attack.

This is why these hacker jerks write viruii and trojans - some personal computers will become infected without the rightful owner noticing, and then can be used as "bots" to conduct a focused attack.

These hackers are not freedom fighters, they are deceitful malcontents who hope to profit by essentially stealing the use of a lot of personal computers and using this legion en masse.



 



Cheers!

[Edited 2010-12-09 04:28:54 by SA7700]

User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting rottenray (Reply 28):
It takes LOTS of computers connected to the internet to create a denial of service attack.

This is why these hacker jerks write viruii and trojans - some personal computers will become infected without the rightful owner noticing, and then can be used as "bots" to conduct a focused attack.

These hackers are not freedom fighters, they are deceitful malcontents who hope to profit by essentially stealing the use of a lot of personal computers and using this legion en masse.

There's no evidence that the DDoS attacks against visa.com, mastercard.com, PayPal, etc. have involved the use of illegal botnets. Rather, what you're seeing is thousands of people using their own computers to carry out the attack. It's really easy, too - just download LOIC ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/loic/ ), type in the address you want to flood with requests, and away you go. LOIC also allows you to turn control over to a central computer via IRC, allowing the formation of voluntary botnets for better-coordinated attacks.

Quoting rottenray (Reply 28):
But it's okay to tamper with a legitimate financial system which hundreds of people worldwide rely on?

Let's be clear - the DDoS attacks took down visa.com and mastercard.com. They did not affect any of the two companies' transaction processing activities.


Yep! It's called the Streisand effect. In the early 2000s, Barbra Streisand sued to have a photo of her home on the California coast taken off the Internet. Not only did she lose, but the photo spread to so many other websites due to the publicity she gave it that millions of people saw the photo who otherwise would not have.

To quote EFF founder John Gilmore: the Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

[Edited 2010-12-09 04:37:29 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineqantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting rottenray (Reply 28):
But it's okay to tamper with a legitimate financial system which hundreds of people worldwide rely on?

lol..the irony of this statement.



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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Today the Guardian published a cable showing that the US had gone in to bat for MasterCard and Visa when Russia was setting up changes to the way payments were processed and fees collected. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ikileaks-us-russia-visa-mastercard

As one comment puts it, "Freedom of speech, priceless. For everything else there is MasterCard".


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
I figured that out, but do they realize the fact that some of these companies don't want their names associated with controversial events?

Well, at least Mastercard and Visa don't have any problems to attend the Ku-Klux-Clan.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/k...-klux-klan-als-wikileaks-1.1033641

Quote:
Auf der Internetseite der Knights Party (The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan) heißt es: "Spenden Sie online mit Ihrer Visa/Mastercard". Einzige Voraussetzung der Extremisten: Der Geldgeber möge "weiß und nicht von gemischtrassiger Abstammung sein." Auch ein "nicht weißer" Ehepartner ist ein Ausschlussgrund.
...
On the internet site of the Knights party (The Knights OF the Ku Klux Klan) they write: "Donate on-line with your Visa/Mastercard". The only requirements of the extremists are: "The donor must be white and not of interracial descent." and also "a not white spouse is a reason for an exclusion.

Obviously there is no political pressure in the US not to cooperate with fascists.

Axel  



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8770 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
It's cyber terrorism is what it is, getting Americans riled up because this criminal get's arrested.

Oh dear... that word gets thrown around lightly these days. It's cyber "terrorism" to paralyse the advertising/information website of a company?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 17):
Let's be clear - the DDoS attacks took down visa.com and mastercard.com. They did not affect any of the two companies' transaction processing activities.

If anyone had attacked the actual transaction systems, we could start talking about the "terrorism" moniker. But so far, the only harm done is that a few people were unable to check out the latest "GREAT OFFERS!" on mastercard.com.  



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
Oh dear... that word gets thrown around lightly these days. It's cyber "terrorism" to paralyse the advertising/information website of a company?

I could be nasty and refer you to Bertolt Brecht´s play "Mahagonny".   

Jan


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 8):
No i don't think Assange told them to do this. I just believe that there a small group of people who will do anything to support this guy.

Well, according to this ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) poll - 'Web Poll,' top right, vote if you care to - 83.5% of respondents so far consider Assange to be a hero rather than a villain. Understandable really - after all (like the Eastern United States) we started off mainly as a repository for British convicts........  http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/

I don't feel that strongly personally either way. But I AM concerned that the government of the United States seems to be able to say to people like Visa and Mastercard (both of which organisations I use occasionally) "Jump, you guys!" - and all THEY appear to say in reply is, "How high, Mr. President?"

[Edited 2010-12-09 05:02:14]


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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 15):
Let's be clear - the DDoS attacks took down visa.com and mastercard.com. They did not affect any of the two companies' transaction processing activities.

I was unable to pay with MC online yesterday, Visa worked fine. Don't know if it was related.



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User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 21):
But I AM concerned that the government of the United States seems to be able to say to people like Visa and Mastercard (both of which organisations I use occasionally) "Jump, you guys!" - and all THEY appear to say in reply is, "How high, Mr. President?"


Sort of like your own ISPs...

Quote:
Internet censorship in Australia currently consists of a regulatory regime under which the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has the power to enforce content restrictions on Internet content hosted within Australia, and maintain a "black-list" of overseas websites which is then provided for use in filtering software.
source: wikipedia




Quoting qantas077 (Reply 16):
Quoting rottenray (Reply 28):
But it's okay to tamper with a legitimate financial system which hundreds of people worldwide rely on?

lol..the irony of this statement.


Hundreds of millions, darnit! I meant hundreds of millions!



Cheers!


User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting rottenray (Reply 23):

Sort of like your own ISPs...

It's ok, i've long given up on expecting anyone to really understand what goes on here in the US. As I've said, a lot of these outsiders watch and listen to their own media's twisted views f the United States and for their own opinion on this country. Early on this thread I recalled a person from Australia claiming that the US shuts down newspapers and TV news networks and radio stations, just so they won't release information, and I almost puked when I saw this.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 21):
Well, according to this ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) poll - 'Web Poll,' top right, vote if you care to - 83.5% of respondents so far consider Assange to be a hero rather than a villain. Understandable really - after all (like the Eastern United States) we started off mainly as a repository for British convicts........ http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/

Well let's see, If there was an American hacker who somehow got their hands on secret Australian files, and released them for the world to see, and these files showed evidence of abuse to aborigines and other ethnic groups as well as espionage against the US and other countries by Australia, i'm pretty sure I as an AMERICAN, would consider the guy who released this info, an AMERICAN, as a hero. You get what i'm saying?



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
25 janmnastami : Putin has just called the arrest of Assange "hypocrite and anti-democratic".
26 mbmbos : I would recommend getting off your high horse and realize there a other points of view that are valid and worth considering. Your pedantic explanatio
27 mham001 : Thats rich coming from a country where journalists critical of authority are routinely murdered.
28 hka098 : Exactly! I almost did a spittake when I read that one.
29 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Putin... out of all people. Who's next going to chime in? Chavez, Mugabe or Castro?
30 Post contains images Fly2HMO : That's it. Nobody's money got stolen, nobody's account was hacked into, nobody stole or accessed anyone else's private information, everybody's credi
31 mayor : Not directly, no.......I can think of a certain Army PFC that has that responsibility. However, Assange is responsible for trafficking in the release
32 janmnastami : You haven't understood what he wrote.
33 Post contains images futurepilot16 : So I guess because no harm was done, then it's absolutely positively ok to participate in this behavior, right? Let's see, on mischief night in high
34 hka098 : The U.S. Governement doesn't exactly love it's citizens. We are just tax ID's and cannon fodder to the folks on Capital Hill. I would not be surprise
35 Fly2HMO : As I said, it's an annoyance more than anything. My point is, while I don't entirely condone their actions, people are making a mountain out of a mol
36 Post contains images vikkyvik : My previous post got deleted; basically what I said was that no matter what Wikileaks or the US Government has done, it's within the purview of a priv
37 mbmbos : They have not released 250,000 documents. They've release about 1,000 documents thus far, the vast majority of which were released through media outl
38 deltaownsall : This is kind of the point, though. It goes both ways. We can access anything anyone else can in the entire world. Both foreigners and Americans are f
39 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Site? What site? These are "dangerous elite hackers from a secret underground community". I don't have access to that. To make a point: Kind of like
40 Post contains images ALTF4 : They did not deface either site - neither was compromised in any way. They didn't 'take over' the site. They didn't compromise databases with names,
41 hka098 : I think that many of the things the U.S. Govt. considers secret don't need to be so. As far as retribution is concerned, U.S. citizens may be in the
42 Post contains images aloges : OK, so you went from calling the DDoS attackers "cyber terrorists" to comparing them to mischievous high school students. I think that's a good start
43 Post contains images etherealsky : Wait, were you referring to the international community or to the average American with that statement..? Because I could swear that it would apply t
44 mham001 : Does not negate the fact that it is illegal in many countries. Yea, right. You need to get around some more. A little more traveling might cure that
45 deltaownsall : I'd like to know who started this whole facade...goodness they've been successful, especially with Americans, ironically (wait, now I'm getting confu
46 TheCommodore : So do you my friend. You have wrongly quoted many times, not just in this thread but other threads, that Australia has its ISP, controlled and censor
47 MD11Engineer : Traitor for whom? Last thing I´ve heard is that Mr. Asange is an Australian citizen, not an American one. As an Australian he is not expected to hav
48 Post contains images hka098 : That would hold true for the NSA spooks and the like DDoS'ing the Wikileaks web-site right now. No one has said anything about that. The U.S. isn't s
49 Post contains images deltaownsall : Well, he hasn't made Kevin Rudd any more friends now, has he? Regardless of your opinion of the man, he is, after all, a currently serving Australian
50 TheCommodore : Sorry, but weren't those "things" written about Mr Rudd, written by your own Ambassador in Canberra ?? That's is what hasn't made Rudd anymore friend
51 deltaownsall : No need for an apology, good sir! Our statements are not contradictory.
52 MD11Engineer : Actually the reports from your ambassador didn´t tell us anything about our government and senior politicians we didn´t know already. It was rather
53 aloges : So is downloading Britney Spears' latest album. But that's only terrorism if you play it loud. Anyway, my point was that a DDoS attack is not terrori
54 Post contains links Quokka : The quoted source is incorrect. The Communications Minister did propose Internet filtering and a voluntary trial was introduced by a limited number o
55 Post contains images CPH-R : What a bunch of crock. Bradley Manning would never have waltzed into his workplace and copied those documents, if he hadn't been guided along by Assa
56 Quokka : Of course they do. That's what they are paid to do. It is their job. I just pointed out the coincidence of the attacks on Mastercard and Visa via DDo
57 Post contains links TheCommodore : All it took was just 800 home computers to bring down Visa Card.And a few more for Mastercad. Gee... good security Visa/Mastercard And this from the a
58 Post contains links NAV20 : CPH-R, can't help feeling that that sort of left v. right thinking is just plain old-fashioned. There really is no such political divide in Australia
59 mayor : If you had read what I said, carefully, you would realize that I was talking about PFC Manning (whistleblower/traitor) not Assange. That's the point
60 TheCommodore : And if it was not disseminated by WikiLeaks, don't you think one of the other ten's of thousands of "news" sites worldwide would have taken it up and
61 Post contains links and images NAV20 : I simply don't understand that viewpoint, mayor. Arguably the 'whistleblowers' are showing more respect for the Constitution than the last couple of
62 Quokka : How would Manning have come to Assange's attention and how would Assange have known that Manning was a) in a position to access the data, b) suscepti
63 Severnaya : While I don't oppose your reasoning, the example you give is bad as in most countries in the world downloading copyrighted content is NOT illegal. Up
64 Post contains images aloges : What material damage to an individual did the disruption of mastercard.com and visa.com cause? Somebody lost a couple of bonus points because he coul
65 futurepilot16 : It doesn't matter. Espionage is against the rule of our country, doesn't matter what it is. People like PFC Manning, took an oath to uphold the laws
66 hka098 : I understand why the hackers are doing what they are doing, but can't really agree. DDoS'ing and the like are illegal. The U.S. Government is just as
67 mayor : If you want to make this a political rant against the presidents, perhaps you should start another thread is you are getting WAY off track, here. BTW
68 Post contains links TransIsland : http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733942,00.html Food for thought... also regarding a.net's deletion policy.
69 futurepilot16 : I don't know how to respond to the assertion on wikileak's part, but I do know that A-Net is a private enterprise, therefore their rule is law. So if
70 Post contains links Yellowstone : Huh. Apparently someone managed to track down Assange's profile on OKCupid (an online dating site). He hasn't logged in since December 2006, but it's
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