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CA DMV Employee Harasses Transgender Woman  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Absolutely disgusting - another further example of how government workers don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else. If you or I took confidential information we came across in our work and used it to harass someone with religious or any other paraphenalia, we'd be shown the door.

A few days after Amber Yust visited the Department of Motor Vehicles in San Francisco to register her sex change from male to female, she got a letter at home from the DMV employee who had handled her application.

Homosexual acts, he informed her, were "an abomination that leads to hell."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...i?f=/c/a/2010/12/10/MNGS1GOICK.DTL


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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

I don't think this has much to do with the California DMW as it does with someone expressing their disgusting opinions. This person is probably used to this treatment, just as I am used to hearing this type of crap in small Oklahoma towns. Not so much in cities. I was once told that I should be castrated so that I wouldn't reproduce any more homosexuals. (?)

I hope the person gets fired, and I hope the transgendered does not turn it into a big lawsuit.

UAL


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
I hope the person gets fired, and I hope the transgendered does not turn it into a big lawsuit.



I absolutely hope the transgendered DOES turn it into a big lawsuit. The DMV employee STOLE HER PERSONAL INFORMATION, harassed her at home, and also passed the info on to some fundamentalist church, who harassed her via mail at home! WTF?!



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User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

The thing that really gets me is (paraphrasing) that the spokesperson for the DMV said it would be a learning experience for everyone.

Cut the politcally correct bullshit. This whack job employee should be terminated immediatly. A learning experience would be like whoops I keyed in the wrong address. Not something at this level.

You would think this employee comes across all sort of characters working in SF but guess not.

I want to sue the DMV for sitting on their thumbs.....  



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 2):
I absolutely hope the transgendered DOES turn it into a big lawsuit. The DMV employee STOLE HER PERSONAL INFORMATION, harassed her at home, and also passed the info on to some fundamentalist church, who harassed her via mail at home! WTF?!

That's my gut reaction but any settlement will come out of taxpayers' pockets. I'd much prefer if she sues that the DMV turn around and get a judgment to have this guy pay restitution out of pocket.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1878 times:
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Folks, this is California we're talking about!

You can bet your ass that there will be a lawsuit and the DMV employee fired!



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
That's my gut reaction but any settlement will come out of taxpayers' pockets. I'd much prefer if she sues that the DMV turn around and get a judgment to have this guy pay restitution out of pocket.

Well that would be nice and I hear what you're saying, but unfortunately he was an employee and agent of a state agency... if he were employed in the private sector (such as at a bank or something), certainly the private employer is liable. On top of that, the DMV's response doesn't exactly communicate that they even give much of a krap. However, considering CA is broke, if she does get a settlement, she probably won't ever see a dime of it anyway.



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 5):

For some reason I worry that California of all states, would have the most difficulty firing this guy, despite his outright disgusting behavior.

[Edited 2010-12-10 13:56:19]


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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 2):
I absolutely hope the transgendered DOES turn it into a big lawsuit. The DMV employee STOLE HER PERSONAL INFORMATION, harassed her at home, and also passed the info on to some fundamentalist church, who harassed her via mail at home! WTF?!

Sorry, did not read the article. Perhaps I should have.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1837 times:
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Quoting TWFirst (Reply 2):
I absolutely hope the transgendered DOES turn it into a big lawsuit.

I absolutely agree - a state agency needs to do more to ensure it has law-abiding people employed in positions with access to citizens' personal identification information.



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 8):
Sorry, did not read the article. Perhaps I should have.

No worries... and my 'WTF' wasn't directed at you, but rather the outrageous facts of the story  



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User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1251 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

The DMV employee STOLE HER PERSONAL INFORMATION,

I believe that this may actually be a felony. If not, it's certainly skirting the line of identity theft (stealing somebody's personal information from protected state records). It's possible that the DMV employee could be prosecuted for it.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
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I think that the fact that this employee has already done this once before surely must leave the DMV with no choice but to terminate them ( as should have happened the first time )


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18675 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Absolutely disgusting - another further example of how government workers don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else.

Now hold on. I'm no fan of government, but as a Californian, I will tell you that our DMV is actually pretty good. Wait times are relatively short (typically you're in and out in well less than an hour) and service is usually courteous and efficient.

This has nothing to do with government and everything to do with one worker who should be fired for violating state and DMV non-discrimination policy.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Now hold on. I'm no fan of government, but as a Californian, I will tell you that our DMV is actually pretty good. Wait times are relatively short (typically you're in and out in well less than an hour) and service is usually courteous and efficient.

Are you serious? In my 21 years as a California resident I've only known DMV to be a major source of contempt. The only real improvement I've seen since leaving is putting many functions online.

Hawaii's DMV has excellent service and even has satellite offices near major employment centers so that people can get paperwork in / take exams without having to make a special trip to their main locations.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18675 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 14):

Are you serious?

As compared to NY or MI, the other two with which I have experience, I have found CA's DMV to be a dream.

The medical board, OTOH... don't get me started.


User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Now hold on. I'm no fan of government, but as a Californian, I will tell you that our DMV is actually pretty good. Wait times are relatively short (typically you're in and out in well less than an hour) and service is usually courteous and efficient.

Transferring a title of a car is easy. But every time I've had an appointment I've had to wait at least 30 mins. (Then why have an appointment?!) But yes, much better than waiting 2 hours to do the same.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
The medical board, OTOH... don't get me started.

Why what's wrong with them??

In other news, DMV has finally caved and announced today that the guy who did this to Ms. Yust has been on admin leave since October...although with pay. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...i?f=/c/a/2010/12/10/BA0E1GP4M7.DTL



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Absolutely disgusting - another further example of how government workers don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else.

Actually, that isn't true at all.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 2):

I absolutely hope the transgendered DOES turn it into a big lawsuit.

Me too.

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 5):
Folks, this is California we're talking about!

You can bet your ass that there will be a lawsuit and the DMV employee fired!

As it should be.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 7):
For some reason I worry that California of all states, would have the most difficulty firing this guy, despite his outright disgusting behavior.

Then you don't understand California employment and civil rights laws. Which makes sense, since that is my area.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 14):

Are you serious? In my 21 years as a California resident I've only known DMV to be a major source of contempt.

No one likes the DMV. That doesn't mean ours is terrible.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 14):


Hawaii's DMV has excellent service and even has satellite offices near major employment centers so that people can get paperwork in / take exams without having to make a special trip to their main locations.

In California, you can even go to AAA to have much DMV stuff taken care of. Its really not bad.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 17):

In other news, DMV has finally caved and announced today that the guy who did this to Ms. Yust has been on admin leave since October...although with pay. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

That is a normal procedure in every state and federal agency. They have to undertake a proper investigation.



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User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
As compared to NY or MI, the other two with which I have experience, I have found CA's DMV to be a dream.

The medical board, OTOH... don't get me started.

I can only speak for NY, but as long as you aren't in the city normally things are ok. The staff may be a bit on the mean side, but I have rarely waited more than 5-10 minutes at the DMV in the suburbs just north of NYC. I have found the trick though is to make sure everything is perfect, because if you forget to fill anything out, it is the back of the line. Not horrible as the wait isn't too long, but still annoying.

The NYS medical review board on the other hand is an absolute joke. Apparently they only meet a couple of times a month in some back room in Albany and you cannot ask any questions about your application. You just have to hope that everything went through correctly. Luckily I don't have to deal with them anymore.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 2):

I absolutely hope the transgendered DOES turn it into a big lawsuit. The DMV employee STOLE HER PERSONAL INFORMATION, harassed her at home, and also passed the info on to some fundamentalist church, who harassed her via mail at home! WTF?!

Not saying this is specific to you, but I just find it funny - I bet that a lot of people who defend what Wikileaks is doing somehow are all outraged with this breach of confidential information.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I'm no fan of government, but as a Californian, I will tell you that our DMV is actually pretty good.

I once had to bail out a guy from a police station in Dorchester, MA, on a saturday night on account of the California DMV...



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Now hold on. I'm no fan of government, but as a Californian, I will tell you that our DMV is actually pretty good. Wait times are relatively short (typically you're in and out in well less than an hour) and service is usually courteous and efficient.

This has nothing to do with government and everything to do with one worker who should be fired for violating state and DMV non-discrimination policy.



OMG! First it was Dreadnought and now I'm agreeing with you!(lol)What's up with that?(lol)

But in general.....
There are bad seeds and or employees who turn bad in every sector of life.And if every company,public or private, presented and trained awareness programs and polices to each of it's employees,then I don't feel a company,or in this case,the DMV is not liable.But I do believe possible criminal charges against the employee should be looked in to.Stealing private info,for example.

But knowing when I do jury duty,what's the first thing you see? An awareness tape.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

I also think this guy needs a lesson in relative morality; he may have objections to the way this woman is living her life, but it is also immoral to break the law; he may attempt to rationalise his actions, but hopefully the Court will see that the message is put across quite clearly.

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