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World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.  
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5991 times:
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These guys really must have shelled out some cash to get the WC in Qatar. So not only will they police alcohol outside the 'zones' but they'll be kicking in hotel doors where there may be gay sex taking place. Still jaded over USA losing the bid.   

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/201...xual-activities-at-2022-world-cup/

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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5959 times:
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With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays? Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex? Did people travel to the USA or Japan or south Africa to watch soccer or to use drugs? Anyhow there is still about 12 years to go.


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User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

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With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays?

It's possible that there may be soccer fans who are gay and want to come to see the world cup. Simply being gay is not allowed in Qatar.

Article 201 of the Qatar Penal Code criminalizes any homosexual act whether it happens in public or in private and Qatar is not afraid of using this to prosecute both citizens and non citizens even when these persons are simply staying in a hotel together and there is no public evidence of anything. There is no right to privacy in Qatar. As of the 2003 constitutional reforms in Qatar, Shari'a is the law of the land there.

Also, the problem here is that there is no respect at all for Gays - or anybody who does not fit the extremely prescriptive views on how to live of the governments in places like Qatar. Westerners take human rights, religious tolerance, and freedom of speech/religion/expression for granted. Allocating the WC to a place where these things are literally foreign concepts was a huge mistake.

I guess coming from Saudi Arabia it might not be so obvious as to why this is a problem. Imagine if you wanted to travel somewhere but were told that having black hair and brown eyes was illegal and that if you were caught with black hair and brown eyes, you could be jailed or lashed. That's what anti-gay laws like those in Qatar, Singapore, and Dubai are like for Gay people. You can be jailed for being who you are.

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Did people travel to the USA or Japan or south Africa to watch soccer or to use drugs?

I do not understand the equation between being gay and using drugs. This is a very offensive thing to say.

[Edited 2010-12-14 10:14:15]

User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5922 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays? Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex?

Huh? What do you mean?

Gay people enjoy soccer too. That's the relation between the World Cup and gays. Also, gay people like to have the same freedom other people possess to have sex in the privacy of their hotel room.

It almost seems like you're implying gays are going out of their way to be difficult during the Qatar games.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

I'll stick with my American football, thankyouverymuch, that doesn't have to worry about being played in a totalitarian state.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 4):
I'll stick with my American football, thankyouverymuch, that doesn't have to worry about being played in a totalitarian state.

Or being run by one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. Also an organization which hates America.
What I want to see is the Israli team getting into the world cup. Since it is illegal to go to Qatar if your passport has been stamped in Israel.

This was a huge mistake. And honestly I hope it ends up being a terrible world cup so these guys at Fifa can learn there lesson.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19711 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 2):

I guess coming from Saudi Arabia it might not be so obvious as to why this is a problem. Imagine if you wanted to travel somewhere but were told that having black hair and brown eyes was illegal and that if you were caught with black hair and brown eyes, you could be jailed or lashed. That's what anti-gay laws like those in Qatar, Singapore, and Dubai are like for Gay people. You can be jailed for being who you are.

Bingo. For this reason I will not board an EK or SQ flight. My very existence is illegal.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5883 times:
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Quoting Slider (Reply 4):
I'll stick with my American football, thankyouverymuch, that doesn't have to worry about being played in a totalitarian state.

I was all geared up to hit up some matches around the US and now I doubt I'll follow any of them. What is most disturbing is the announcement didn't come from Qatar officials (yet) it was from the horse himself; Sepp Blatter.


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 5):
Since it is illegal to go to Qatar if your passport has been stamped in Israel.

And if you actually are Israeli maybe you can get in and maybe you can't.... depending on the prevailing political wind.

The Israeli tennis star, Shahar Peer, has been refused entry to the UAE to compete in the two million dollar Dubai Open, which started in the emirate on Sunday.

The world number 48 has been denied a visa by the Gulf state's authorities, prompting a strongly worded response from the Women's Tennis Association (WTA), which runs the women's tour.

The blocking of Peer is a surprise because she was given a visa to play in the Qatar Open in Doha last year, a visit which was a considerable success both in tennis and diplomatic terms.


http://www.qatarliving.com/node/377570

I wonder if FIFA would take the world cup somewhere else if Israel did qualify and Qatar refused to let the team in.



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

I see there being a few arrests at this game.

The world cup with no drink!!!! I don't see it...


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex?

Um not to be rude, but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel.  



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5847 times:
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Um not to be rude, but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel.

Look at the Olympics in Beijing. They were handing out condoms by the ton to all athletes in the village(s).


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

It's a disgrace. Everytime I think about it pisses me off more.

Quoting flymia (Reply 5):
What I want to see is the Israli team getting into the world cup

Me too. But probably UEFA will jump in and make sure they get a particularly difficult qualification group.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 2):
Qatar Penal Code criminalizes any homosexual act



IIRC adultery is illegal in the UAE too. I wonder what may happen to heterosexual married couples if their last names aren't the same. How would they prove that they aren't committing adultery?

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel.

     


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 12):
Me too. But probably UEFA will jump in and make sure they get a particularly difficult qualification group.

Interesting - Let's see if they get paired up to France, Germany and Brazil.

Of course we will have to remember this thread in around 2021...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19711 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):

Look at the Olympics in Beijing. They were handing out condoms by the ton to all athletes in the village(s).

Well, yes. You take a bunch of healthy young athletes, most of whom are drop-dead gorgeous, and put them all in one village. There might just be a little action going on. Yanno, some "international relations" and stuff?


User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
These guys really must have shelled out some cash to get the WC in Qatar. So not only will they police alcohol outside the 'zones' but they'll be kicking in hotel doors where there may be gay sex taking place. Still jaded over USA losing the bid.

These are their rules and we have to abide by them. If they say no alcohol and gay sex and you get caught doing any of those things, you deserve to be thrown in jail, simple as that.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19711 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 13):

IIRC adultery is illegal in the UAE too. I wonder what may happen to heterosexual married couples if their last names aren't the same. How would they prove that they aren't committing adultery?

I do hope that the UAE uses some discretion. Having a few fans get jailed for trumped-up charges is going to be bad publicity.

But I think that one thing that might help out is for someone from Washington to pay a little visit to the Powers That Be and say: "If you start arresting our citizens on hokey 'vice' charges, especially when there were no public offenses, that is your right as a sovereign nation. It is also our right as a sovereign nation to list you on our "Do Not Travel" list for our citizens and to deny all UAE airlines and businesses the right to do business with us. Just sayin'."


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 16):
These are their rules and we have to abide by them. If they say no alcohol and gay sex and you get caught doing any of those things, you deserve to be thrown in jail, simple as that.

So, an international event, with thousands of people that will be attending, and a lot of them will be discriminated against. No alcohol (Not a biggy, but even so, its the world cup!!!) No unmarried couples or Gay guys allowed to do what is natural to them in the privacy of their own rooms for fear of someone telling on them and getting arrested and put in jail. I can see a lot of people getting arrested!


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 8):
I wonder if FIFA would take the world cup somewhere else if Israel did qualify and Qatar refused to let the team in.

Doubt it. I don't think FIFA care about the game anymore..its all about the money. How do you think Qatar got it in the first place?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19711 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 18):
I can see a lot of people getting arrested!

As I implied above, I think that a LOT of publicity should go into this from the various involved governments. They need to warn their citizens: "If you are unmarried, DO NOT GO. If you are gay, DO NOT GO. If you will be wanting to drink, DO NOT GO. In fact, if you want to party or have any fun, religious fanatics do NOT typically allow happiness of any sort and will find some sort of trumped up charge for you, so DO NOT GO."


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

If people don't like FIFA's choice for 2018 and 2022 venues they should vote with their feet and wallets and simply avoid the WC. There's not much else they can do about it and when $$$ talk, it is the only time FIFA listens.

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 18):
No alcohol (Not a biggy, but even so, its the world cup!!!) No unmarried couples or Gay guys allowed to do what is natural to them in the privacy of their own rooms for fear of someone telling on them and getting arrested and put in jail.

It's not like any fan will be forced to travel there in the first place. Their attitude toward gays, jews and a lot of other things is hardly a new thing. I assume adult people can do their own risk assesment and if they do not agree with the standards and laws of the host country, the responsible thing is to not travel there and spend their hard earned money elsewhere. Simple as that.

Quoting oly720man (Reply 8):
The world number 48 has been denied a visa by the Gulf state's authorities, prompting a strongly worded response from the Women's Tennis Association (WTA), which runs the women's tour.

... or else we will be very very angry with you and we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are!!!">  

signed

WTA/IOC/FIA/FIFA...


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

If Wikileaks wanted to make themselves useful, they should flood the Gulf state market with readily-available-for-download gay porn, and getting it past all their firewalls etc.

Just an idea  



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5741 times:
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Quoting CargoLex (Reply 2):
I do not understand the equation between being gay and using drugs. This is a very offensive thing to say.

No way it was meant as an insult. What i meant was you can not use the event as an excuse to brake the laws of the country.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
It almost seems like you're implying gays are going out of their way to be difficult during the Qatar games.

Again no. See above pls.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Bingo. For this reason I will not board an EK or SQ flight. My very existence is illegal

Shame really as over half of the male F/A are gay. Seems the rules are not strictely followed in there case.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Um not to be rude, but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel

You are not rude at all, i follow the rule of live and let others live the way they like, but if there is a law forbidding an act or another in a country why go there and brake it on purpose?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Interesting - Let's see if they get paired up to France, Germany and Brazil.

Brazil it out of the picture as they play in the European groups qualifying games.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
I do hope that the UAE uses some discretion

The games will be played in Qatar not the UAE



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5733 times:
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
Their attitude toward gays, jews

Qatar does not discriminate against Jews as far as i know



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25 WildcatYXU : It was me who placed Quatar to UAE. Apologies. OTOH adultery is probably illegal in Quatar as well. So couples with different last names can get into
26 mt99 : But sometimes events are used to push for reform of things that most of the world consider unfair. Salt Lake City, changes their drinking laws for th
27 ojas : I have a few observations:: 1) How do I know whether a person is gay or not when I walk around and see thousands of people around? When people will co
28 futurepilot16 : There's a thought. i don't usually agree with you but if you're gonna make trouble for one country, why not do the same for all countries and regions
29 474218 : The way I read it being gay is not illegal, but homosexual acts are! So I don't think a gay person has much to worry about if they visit Qatar to wat
30 Post contains links and images racko : Indeed. Here's a great new and honest marketing slogan:
31 Post contains images oa260 : Bingo ! People getting all up tight about something that will probably not be an issue. I have travelled around alot of the Middle East and never had
32 par13del : The decision has already been made, Israel knows they will not qualify, and if they somehow do, they still will not qualify, the world cup is larger
33 gosimeon : As a gay guy, I'll try offer my perspective on some of the issues raised here. None. However, it has a lot to do with football as a sport and football
34 Mir : There are gay people who like football. That's all the relation there is. But that's also all the relation you need. No, but by that logic, any sex s
35 Zentraedi : Here's a question. What the if World Cup were held in a country that forbade all sexual contact between individuals who were not in a marriage consecr
36 Rara : Don't give them ideas..
37 Yellowstone : Those are the same thing, for all intents and purposes. Will they even sell hotel rooms to gay couples? A law that violates human rights is invalid o
38 simonriat : Just off the cuff thoughts here. TBH it already feels like the fans have been taken up certain places. No offence intended. It seems that its not the
39 Mir : I'd rather them ban all sex than just gay sex, to be honest with you. Not only would it be fair, but enough people might actually get pissed enough t
40 flymia : Exactly, I really hope that the turnout is a disaster and the world cup fails in Qatar. So true. I wonder how the transportation is going to work in
41 474218 : I guess you never heard of being celibate?
42 Mir : If the turnout is a disaster, Qatar might resort to paying people to sit in the seats. They've certainly got the funds. -Mir
43 gosimeon : Really? Do you advocate celebacy for couples travelling together to international sporting events, or is it just for gay couples? And celebacy or not
44 Post contains images Aaron747 : LOL. We have only one shot at life on this earth and you want people to be celibate? Lunacy
45 474218 : I say if you are going to another country you should respect their customs and laws. If you feel you can't respect their customs and laws, either: o
46 SOBHI51 : I was just saying is you can not use an event such as this to brake the laws of the host country period. If you find this stupid then fine. As far as
47 Post contains images Quokka : Given that the title of the thread is " World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.," the reference to drugs is not totally uncalled for. If the police in
48 OA412 : What's the relation between the World Cup and straights? Gay men and women do more than just have sex. Props to the Chinese for being realistic. He i
49 CXB77L : I agree. No one is forcing you to go to the World Cup, if someone thinks that they're being discriminated against, then don't go. If there's a countr
50 Severnaya : Nonsense, it has already been stated multiple times that if Israel qualifies (which they did only in 1970) they will be able to play without any prob
51 gosimeon : People have every right to go to the World Cup. It's supposed to be an event for the whole world and all it's people. If everyone took the "if you're
52 SOBHI51 : Well gloves off, this is the law of the country respect them or do not come, as simple as that, where do you find dark ages mentality there, is respe
53 Post contains links gosimeon : I don't think you'll find German laws prohibit you from doing whatever you want to do in your personal life. Certianly, when the World Cup was held h
54 Superfly : Gays as well as people of color will have a big problem 4 years sooner when Russia host the World Cup in 2018. Gays have no rights in Russia and neo-n
55 KiwiRob : From an article that came out today in one of the UK papers 10 million per vote. It also looks like the Qataries have asked if they can move the tour
56 Post contains images yooyoo : So, if a player scores a goal, rushes to the sidelines while ripping off his shirt and his teammates come to congratulate him with hugs a kiss on the
57 Post contains images CamiloA380 : Damn right It's not like the country has to adapt to the world, but the world has to adapt to the country. Because if you're gonna do the same thing
58 Superfly : They've granted them citizenship easier than it would be for Americans that would respect & value their existing culture.
59 aviationmaster : With that attitude, many fans will just decide to stay at home and watch the games from their living room, because it saves them the hassle of having
60 L410Turbolet : Quite opposite, it would be a world where the good ol' rule of "when in Rome do as the Romans do" would still apply and if you have problem with it..
61 Post contains images DocLightning : We do? Bingo. But Qatar has a choice. See, this is an international event, so if they want to be all draconian about it, then they can give themselve
62 comorin : I suggest gay people dress up as Lawrence of Arabia and everything will work out. Seriously: Qatar is trying hard to modernize, but in that part of th
63 flymia : Well I beg to differ about that. But I really do not know how easy it is or well connected the cities are in Russia. I am sure it should be alright,
64 Derico : Seven days ago II would have agreed 100% with you, but with what has happened in Argentina with the ilegal immigrant Crisis at Parque Indoamericano t
65 Yellowstone : In general, yes, but there are certain rules that no country has the right to have. For instance, no country can legitimately allow slavery - it's su
66 wn700driver : We like to travel as much as anyone else, and have sex, again just like anyone else... We really do! I think we often forget just how backwards and u
67 Superfly : Yet it still goes on today. Still happens today in Qatar.
68 Tu204 : Hate to break it to the world, but according to the administrative code of the Russian Federation: the drinking of alchaholic beverages is prohibited
69 SOBHI51 : Can you prove that?
70 Doona : To get you in the mood, I assume? Cheers Mats
71 Post contains links gosimeon : Isn't this widely acknowledged and referred to as the Kafala system? http://qatarliving.net/?q=node/1110739 Not quite slavery, but certainly seems cl
72 Post contains images yowza : I never thought there would be so many responses by American members in a thread about football. Of course most of those posts are vitriol masqueradin
73 Doona : This is the impression I have as well. As I've understood it, Qatar has on numerous occasions allowed Israeli athletes to compete in international co
74 ltbewr : Let us not forget that we are talking about the WC in Qatar in 2022 - 12 years from now. A lot of change can happen in that time.
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