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User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1724 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

This is where Assange will be living if granted bail, it say's here:

http://www.ellingham-hall.co.uk/elli...am-hall.com/galleries/thehall.html

Here:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101214...-uk-wikileaks-assange-ca02f96.html

He's now on bail it seems  

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User currently offlinehka098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

He has been granted bail, but the Swedish prosecutors challenged the ruling. This will keep Assange in the pokey for another 48 hours, at least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11989216


User currently offlinegosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Wonder if they have good Wifi for him to take down the world with  

User currently offlinehka098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

He is in solitary confinement and must be going mad with no Internet access for a week now.

User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2311 times:

He is making Britain, Sweden and the US look like pariah states: in solitary confinement, refused bail and not yet charged with any crime. Whatever freedom these countries seek to protect with secrecy they have already sacrificed and sold out in their treatment of this guy. I'm sure he is no angel, but even more certainly the hypocritical states are utter frauds of democracies...


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlinenoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2306 times:

He has not even been allowed incoming mail. The treatment this country, and the US and Sweden, are giving to this guy is absolutely appalling.

Here is what is going to happen:

1) The UK will bend over and Assange will be extradited to Sweden (incidentally on a charge that the Swedes have never once considered serious enough for extradition)
2) While in custody, the US will want him extradited to the US on espionage charges.
3) Sweden will bend over and Assange will be extradited to the US where they will finally have their hands on him.

This is already planned by the respective governments, just watch the events of the next few weeks.

It really is disgusting how, in supposedly free countries, this sort of behaviour is carried out by our governments. It's democracy, but only if you agree with them.

Also makes me wonder exactly what is coming in the next 99.5% of the documents that haven't been released yet - must be something pretty serious for this sort of treatment, what are they worried about?


User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting noelg (Reply 5):


All the while, the various states will make it appear that everything is being done by the book.

Let us be honest; if the UK Government wanted to earn brownie points they would have kidnapped Assange before he could surrender to the police. That way he could have been "renditioned" or whatever the today's fashionable euphemism for taken to "justice" via Egypt or some other country that practices torture. He may have gone to Guantanamo, had the US been serious in describing him as a "terrorist". None of that has happened.

I do not doubt for a minute that the UK, Sweden and the US would like to see him "disappear" but he is in the media spotlight and that makes it difficult to resort to "covert operations" or whatever today's fashionable euphemism is.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2288 times:
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Quoting noelg (Reply 5):

I would much rather just have him shot in a public area and made an example of.



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User currently offlinehka098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
I would much rather just have him shot in a public area and made an example of.

For what? Sexual assault doesn't carry that type of sentence, besides Sweden doesn't have the death penalty. The U.S. has yet to file charges, release and indictment, file a law suit, or even say which law he broke. At least the government filed law suits against the NY Times and the Post for the Pentagon Papers.


User currently offlinejanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting Quokka (Reply 6):
Let us be honest; if the UK Government wanted to earn brownie points they would have kidnapped Assange before he could surrender to the police. That way he could have been "renditioned" or whatever the today's fashionable euphemism for taken to "justice" via Egypt or some other country that practices torture. He may have gone to Guantanamo, had the US been serious in describing him as a "terrorist". None of that has happened.

None of that has happened because it's impossible to do that with a well-known person.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
Quoting noelg (Reply 5):


I would much rather just have him shot in a public area and made an example of.

Where are American tastes for the right to due process and fair trial? This man is not even the subject of an identified infringement of any US law, nor is he a US citizen, nor has he been active in the US, nor has anyone accused him of stealing any US secrets. Yet, you are ready to have him shot as "an example". An example of what, the American taste for a 'scalp', a scapegoat for its own dirty intrigues, leaked by US citizens themselves, being shown the light of day?



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User currently offlinehka098 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
Where are American tastes for the right to due process and fair trial?

Not all Americans share the same opinion of Mr. Assange.


User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3378 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
Where are American tastes for the right to due process and fair trial?

That stuff was always such a PITA anyway.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
An example of what, the American taste for a 'scalp', a scapegoat for its own dirty intrigues, leaked by US citizens themselves, being shown the light of day?

Pretty much

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
This man is not even the subject of an identified infringement of any US law, nor is he a US citizen, nor has he been active in the US, nor has anyone accused him of stealing any US secrets.

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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
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Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
Where are American tastes for the right to due process and fair trial? This man is not even the subject of an identified infringement of any US law, nor is he a US citizen, nor has he been active in the US, nor has anyone accused him of stealing any US secrets. Yet, you are ready to have him shot as "an example". An example of what, the American taste for a 'scalp', a scapegoat for its own dirty intrigues, leaked by US citizens themselves, being shown the light of day?

In cases like this we have no desire for it. Americans hate anything that puts security at risk especially if it puts our soldiers at risk. If the only way we can stop him is by taking him out a lot of Americans will supprt it. However unfortunate it is. We will use him as an example if we have to. He with the aid of a military official stole secret documents. That is not legal and I think maybe we need to show that to people so they understand that. We aren't using him for a scapegoat. Assange isn't exactly what you call 'innocent' of any wrong doing.
On another note I found it ironic that Assange wanted the home where he would be staying kept confidential!
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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
Assange isn't exactly what you call 'innocent' of any wrong doing.

And what wrong doing has he been proven guilty of?


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2028 times:
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Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 14):
And what wrong doing has he been proven guilty of?

He hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. But he has made it clear he has posted secret government documents which would be illegal.
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User currently offlineqantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 15):
He hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. But he has made it clear he has posted secret government documents which would be illegal.

precisely what the NYT has done too...



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

So have, among others, the New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, and about a million other news organizations before them.

User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
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Quoting qantas077 (Reply 16):
precisely what the NYT has done too...

They also have lawsuits against them. So its not like this is the first time this is happening.
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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13044 posts, RR: 78
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
I would much rather just have him shot in a public area and made an example of.

Why not take a trip to Iran, seems you'd like it there. Or in Afghanistan 1995-2001 when the Taliban used the Kabul football stadium to execute those they just did not like.
(Do you even KNOW what yours and Allied troops are fighting for?)

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
In cases like this we have no desire for it. Americans hate anything that puts security at risk especially if it puts our soldiers at risk. If the only way we can stop him is by taking him out a lot of Americans will support it.

Then they should grow up. Give ONE proven example where any of the leaks has undamaged any US forces?
(Showing some doing things like being careless with helicopter cannon fire on Iraqi civilians does not count - presumably those affected are well aware of it since it happened).
Much less leaks of diplomatic cables that so far have been little more than foreign affairs gossip, the net effect so far has not even shown the US in such a bad light.

The contents of the diplomatic cables have been in the hands of wiki-leaks and some papers for months, during that time they were vetted for any dangerous information - aside from anything else the last thing they'd want is to be implicated in causing deaths, then they really would be in trouble and rightly so.
(That's called proper scrutiny and good journalistic practice, since those are words not associated with FOX I guess that might be a new concept for some).

Maybe not allowing 3 million US citizens access to these cables, having very poor security generally, might have helped.

All this blood lust emanating from the US, including from some politicians, seems to show on the part of those espousing state sponsored murder for political reasons a very fragile ego and a deeply ingrained paranoia.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1995 times:
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Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
Then they should grow up. Give ONE proven example where any of the leaks has undamaged any US forces?
(Showing some doing things like being careless with helicopter cannon fire on Iraqi civilians does not count - presumably those affected are well aware of it since it happened).
Much less leaks of diplomatic cables that so far have been little more than foreign affairs gossip, the net effect so far has not even shown the US in such a bad light.

How would you be able to prove any of the documents killed someone? They did release battle tactics several months ago and that is what is hurting. Not these cables that just say stuff most Americans knew in their guts. But just because people had a feeling doesn't mean its okay to release them.

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
(That's called proper scrutiny and good journalistic practice, since those are words not associated with FOX I guess that might be a new concept for some).

Why bring up FOX? Like seriously just because people have a bad view on the guy they watch FOX? I watch the nightly news and the BBC.
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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 15):
He hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. But he has made it clear he has posted secret government documents which would be illegal.

Really? Can you show me the law that makes it illegal?


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
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Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 21):
Really? Can you show me the law that makes it illegal?

What he has done is said to be covered under the Espionage act of (I believe this is the year. But don't hold me to it.) 1917.
Blue



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 22):
What he has done is said to be covered under the Espionage act of (I believe this is the year. But don't hold me to it.) 1917.

I won't hold you to it because it is very unlikely he can be charged under the Espionage act. First, he's not an American citizen. Second, many legal scholars have weighed in on this and say it would be close to impossible to prosecute him under this act not to mention creating a terrible precedent if they tried.

There's a whole misinformation about Assange and Wikileaks. Disliking the guy or disliking what he has done does not mean he's guilty of a crime, a candidate for prosecution or deserves calls (not from you) that he be assasinated.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
In cases like this we have no desire for it. Americans hate anything that puts security at risk especially if it puts our soldiers at risk. If the only way we can stop him is by taking him out a lot of Americans will supprt it.

If so, then once again, the American public are sheep and stooges of their corrupt politicians, more than ready to tear up their constitution, sacrifice their values and fall in behind lies and acts of murder in their name...All one has to do is play the patriot card and they are reduced to mindless putty in the hands of of war criminals.



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25 OzGlobal : Being consistent and having the courage of your convictions, you will of course also insist on the public execution of the editor of the NYT as well
26 jetblueguy22 : Trust me we aren't sheeps of our politicians. There has been a lot of anger towards them and the midterm elections proved that people don't just do a
27 OzGlobal : It's the behaviour inquestion which is horrid. I'm comparing the attitude of those Americans calling for the execution without trial (many have, incl
28 Yellowstone : Really? Almost every single person elected in the midterms belonged to one of the two most powerful, most deeply entrenched political factions in the
29 OzGlobal : And in the case of the populist, ignorant majority, so easily manipulated by fear of fake threats to their way of life, they return the right wing nu
30 GDB : No life threatening battlefield and/or intel information can be shown to have been released, if it had, I'm sure the powers that be would make this v
31 Post contains images jetblueguy22 : If people did as they were told why did people fight the healthcare bill? They were being told it was best for them. What a flock of sheep . People v
32 Mudboy : Prisons can be dangerous places........ The man and his treasonous pawn, are enemies of the state, as far as the USA is concerned.
33 hka098 : As far as YOU are concerned, you mean. I support Wikileaks and their efforts to shed light on the U.S. Government's web of lies. Why should I support
34 janmnastami : The damage for the public image of the U.S.A. would be enormous. If you really believe that New York Times and other media's journalists should be ar
35 KPDX : I don't think the public image of the United States will ever be good again. It's unrepairable imo. "Damn if you do, damn if you don't" comes to mind
36 jetblueguy22 : What lies? Okay there is a difference between doing your job and breaking the law. What they are doing is breaking the law. We might as well say we c
37 janmnastami : What law is he breaking, in your opinion? Assange hasn't been found guilty of anything. Perhaps you don't remember what happened in 1971 with the New
38 MBMBOS : You keep repeating this line even though several people on this board have challenged you. And you haven't followed through with a cogent response. W
39 hka098 : The war in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, Extraordinary Rendition, "Change we can believe in", No audits for the Federal Reserve, etc...
40 jetblueguy22 : I'm sorry I thought I did address it. I believe he violates the Espionage act of 1917. You and others seem to disagree with me but I believe he is in
41 MBMBOS : It matters not that I disagree with that. Read something. Anything. I repeat: you will find the majority of legal scholars in the U.S. say it would b
42 jetblueguy22 : I did read what you said. Many scholars say that it would be tough to charge him but there is also plenty saying it is possible. Even Assange said he
43 hka098 : Gitmo: The torture and unconstitutional treatment for those detained for years without charges or trial. Rendition: The kidnapping of folks suspected
44 GDB : Would you want to live in a world still at the whim of Popes and Cardinals? We would not be communicating this way for a start, wouldn't have been in
45 Post contains images hka098 : Sweet
46 jetblueguy22 : I thought prisoners of war didn't have the same rights? Well the Fed does needed to be audited but you don't need a leak to prove that. I believe Oba
47 hka098 : I am quite sure the Geneva Convention prohibits torture. A leak may shed light on what is actually going on there. A politician not following-through
48 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : Assange is now complaining that somebody leaked the police report related to his arrest. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12...wikileaks-assange-im-v
49 Quokka : The US deliberately refused to recognise the prisoners as prisoners of war and labeled them terrorists and "enemy combatants" so as not to be bound b
50 Post contains links Dreadnought : To be entitled to prisoner-of-war status, captured service members must be lawful combatants entitled to combatant's privilege—which gives them immu
51 Agill : That is a bit ironic. Also funny how this case has turned all tables. The "But such nice guy wouldn't do anything bad" argument is being heard from l
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