thegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2278 posts, RR: 3 Posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
That is the backdrop to this 10th biennial fiscal report card of the governors, which examines state budget actions since 2008. It uses statistical data to grade the governors on their taxing and spending records — governors who have cut taxes and spending the most receive the highest grades, while those who have increased taxes and spending the most receive the lowest grades.
Four governors were awarded an "A" in this report card —
Mark Sanford (R) South Carolina,
Bobby Jindal (R) Louisiana,
Tim Pawlenty (R)Minnesota
Joe Manchin (D) West Virginia.
Seven governors were awarded an "F" —
Ted Kulongoski (D) Oregon
David Paterson (D) New York
Jodi Rell (R) Connecticut
Pat Quinn (R) Illinois
Jim Doyle (D)Wisconsin
Bill Ritter (D) Colorado
Chris Gregoire (D) Washington
At lot of these guys getting Fs are classic tax and spenders....and view corporate businesses as cash cows...
Pat Quinn, Ted Kulongoski, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and David Paterson to me are big time disappointments...
Ironically Chris Edwards (author) says states should abolish corporate income taxes, as they are burdens that damage job creation, and raise relatively little money overall....
My home state of North Carolina, Beverly Purdue (D) got a D....she's raised a few taxes but pledged to raise no more and the new Republican state senate will keep her honest...
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
If there was a grade worse than F Paterson would get it. Good to see Cuomo doing the right thing he heard the State troopers got raises and he canceled them. Good to see a fiscally responsible Democrat!
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1333 times:
Quoting thegreatRDU (Thread starter): governors who have cut taxes and spending the most receive the highest grades, while those who have increased taxes and spending the most receive the lowest grades
What a bizarre viewpoint. How can tax and spending be presumed negative?
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14411 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3): How can tax and spending be presumed negative?
Because a lot of it is wasting money on entitlements, pensions, and such. It's better to tax less and provide only essential government services, since people can take care of themselves. Spending has gotten out of control, and taxes may follow. If the state is low on money, the solution isn't to simply go out and get more money.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4460 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1324 times:
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4): Because a lot of it is wasting money on entitlements, pensions, and such. It's better to tax less and provide only essential government services, since people can take care of themselves. Spending has gotten out of control, and taxes may follow. If the state is low on money, the solution isn't to simply go out and get more money.
Perhaps, but that's not my point. It can't be an automatic negative, it's a debate. It's a bit like having a ranking based on how right-wing politicians are; it's inherently biased and subjective, hence pointless.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12365 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1217 times:
One problem with this survey is that for some states, they may have a Democratic majority in at least one house of the Legislature. Another is that it ignores the huge collapse of manufacturing and services in some states in turn sharply declining revenue. I would also note that the scoring is on a curve, with an index of 50 and the highest only in the 70's so I really don't understand why anyone would get an 'A'. To me 70's = C's, 60's = D's and under 60 or even 65 =F.
thegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2278 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1195 times:
Yeah a big time union tool too.. my mistake how did I mix that one up....my bad..
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1): Good to see Cuomo doing the right thing he heard the State troopers got raises and he canceled them. Good to see a fiscally responsible Democrat!
Ah I don't know about Cuomo....didn't the unions pour money into his campaign?
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10): One problem with this survey is that for some states, they may have a Democratic majority in at least one house of the Legislature.
That's why Pawlenty was ranked so high...he had a liberal legislature.. trying to pass spending bill after spending bill and tax hike after tax hike....and he vetoed a lot of them...
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1189 times:
Quoting thegreatRDU (Thread starter): It uses statistical data to grade the governors on their taxing and spending records — governors who have cut taxes and spending the most receive the highest grades, while those who have increased taxes and spending the most receive the lowest grades.
Talk about a biased report. Rearrange them by who kept their budget balanced the best, and then you'll have a survey that actually means something useful. It's nuts that Rick Perry (R-TX) got a B when that state is facing a massive budget deficit.
sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5103 posts, RR: 28 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1125 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Talk about a biased report. Rearrange them by who kept their budget balanced the best, and then you'll have a survey that actually means something useful. It's nuts that Rick Perry (R-TX) got a B when that state is facing a massive budget deficit.
I am no big Rick Perry apologist, and deficits are deficits, but Texas' deficit, as a proportion of its budget, is not that bad; also, remember, when you hear a number assigned to Texas' projected budget, it's almost always a number for two years, not one - Texas budgets two years at a time, because its legislature meets only every other year (in, appropriately enough, odd years).
The legislature, and the Governor, assure us that they will balance the budget with no new taxes - but I cannot wait to see how many fees they come up with, or come up on.
As I always tell my clients: "When the legislature's in session, hold onto your wallets!"
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
Quoting sw733 (Reply 9): Still convinced that this guy is going to be the R's best hope for 2012, and if so, he will definitely use this ranking to his advantage!
No way. Very poor public speaking skills. His time has past. It's still Christie.
Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 11): Ah I don't know about Cuomo....didn't the unions pour money into his campaign?
I wasn't here during the campaign but why would be take it? He was way ahead the whole way and didn't have to do a thing and then Paladino did him more of a favor and made that stupid comment about gays. The NY GOP is a joke anyway. I actually voted for Cuomo.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38597 posts, RR: 79 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1081 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
I think the scale goes A, B, C, D, F, and Illinois.
Don't forget California.
California is becoming dangerously close to Illinois in terms of a failed political system that rewards incompetence.
The difference is that Illinois has Richard Daley's thugs in charge and California has a Hollywood/enviro-freak element.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1076 times:
Quoting sccutler (Reply 13): Texas' deficit, as a proportion of its budget, is not that bad
$25 billion is nothing to sneeze at - it's close to California's number.
Quoting sccutler (Reply 13): also, remember, when you hear a number assigned to Texas' projected budget, it's almost always a number for two years, not one
Which is meaningless if the legislature can only do something about it every two years.
-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1076 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 15): California is becoming dangerously close to Illinois in terms of a failed political system that rewards incompetence.
The difference is that Illinois has Richard Daley's thugs in charge and California has a Hollywood/enviro-freak element.
Ya know Larry I have to tell you I was very close to the Senate and Governor's races and it has become painfully apparent it's not just the elites. Most Californians are voting for these idiots and in a way deserve the fact that CA will probably never climb out of this hole and will be a nanny state. More power to them. You wanted Brown you got him. You just got more illegals thanks to a sanctuary policy, thug unions and people that will just keep raising taxes and not fighting the sacred cows. Here is GOP Chair Ron Nehring telling it like it is. Pretty alarming as he is spot on.
Have fun CA, in 4 years your going to regret falling for the Gloria Allred hatchet job. Shame. When you should have voted for someone who would have taken the Christie approach to either produce or GTFO.
sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5103 posts, RR: 28 Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1070 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
Which is meaningless if the legislature can only do something about it every two years.
Only meaningless if one lacks the essential ability to think independently.
The Texas budget, and its deficit, are usually cited based upon the entire budget - for two years, but many in the press (especially out of state press) overlook this fact, and compare the numbers to those of other states which have a one-year budget cycle.
Now, there are those who contend that the Texas legislature should meet more often - but the current system seems to work pretty well, because legislative bodies, by their very nature, tend to always want to spend more money. In the event of a genuinely urgent legislative need, a special session is called.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38597 posts, RR: 79 Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1063 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17): You wanted Brown you got him.
Jerry Brown is a good man and wants the best for California. He will not hurt the state.
The problem is with the other officeholders that have their agenda and are only concerned about their personal career ambitions and pet 'cause'.. People like Kamala Harris, Sally Leiber, Alan Lowenthal and Fran Pavley are some of the biggest threats to the state of California.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17): You just got more illegals thanks to a sanctuary policy,....
When you should have voted for someone who would have taken the Christie approach to either produce or GTFO.
Hmmmm, it's the illegals that are the only ones that produce. Even Meg Whiteman agrees which is why she hired illegals.
sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5103 posts, RR: 28 Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1038 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19): Hmmmm, it's the illegals that are the only ones that produce.
This is the painful reality - there is a substantial portion of available and productive work for which the only willing workers are latino immigrants. This is not "minimum wage" work - it is manual labor, both skilled and unskilled, and but for our productive FFSOBs (Friends From South Of Border), most of it simply does not get done.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1019 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19): Jerry Brown is a good man and wants the best for California. He will not hurt the state.
The problem is with the other officeholders that have their agenda and are only concerned about their personal career ambitions and pet 'cause'.. People like Kamala Harris, Sally Leiber, Alan Lowenthal and Fran Pavley are some of the biggest threats to the state of California
If he wants what is best why is he going with the status quo? Knowing that by doing so it just further drives CA down a hole they can never climb out since businesses and people are fleeing the state? CA needs a tougher approach than NJ and he is going in the opposite direction. Disaster.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19): Hmmmm, it's the illegals that are the only ones that produce. Even Meg Whiteman agrees which is why she hired illegals
You didn't fall for that story did you? If Whitman wanted cheap labor why did she pay the woman such a high hourly rate that any American would have taken? Come on. The woman has more money than God. Why is she going to try to nickel and dime on domestic help then pay them over the going rate. That was a planned attack job in which Allred and Whitman's ex housekeeper got paid off and probably promised not to be deported.
dfwrevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1000 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 6): It can't be an automatic negative, it's a debate.
It's a debate we settled 234 years ago, when we decided that yes, it is an automatic negative.
Quoting Mir (Reply 16): $25 billion is nothing to sneeze at - it's close to California's number.
Quoting Mir (Reply 16): Which is meaningless if the legislature can only do something about it every two years.
So you're saying that:
$25 billion deficit on a 2 year budget = $25 billion deficit on a 1 year budget
That just doesn't make sense. Texas needs to find half as much revenue or half as many cuts as California to close its budget gap. Texas also has a huge advantage over many states in its budget process. The Texas Constitution prohibits carrying over items from the previous budget. Each new budget must start-over from a totally clean slate. What a concept! That way, the legislator starts over by assessing what is available to spend, not what they want to spend. It's an inherently more efficient model.
Furthermore, of the $12.5 billion annual shortfall in the next Texas budget cycle, approximately $8 billion is from changes in Medicaid rules due to Obamacare. So in matters where Texas actually has direct control, the budget deficit is about $4 billion - or $8 billion over two years. On an annual basis, that's one-sixth of CA's deficit.
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7738 posts, RR: 27 Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 991 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17): When you should have voted for someone who would have taken the Christie approach to either produce or GTFO
A woman who paid a consultant $90K per month to run her campaign and couldn't even listen to useful advice about cultivating public image? In my book that's called lack of production. Not to mention everyone in California understood that she would get absolutely nowhere with that approach in the legislature, which would only lead to worse deadlock than already exists. No thanks.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21): If he wants what is best why is he going with the status quo? Knowing that by doing so it just further drives CA down a hole they can never climb out since businesses and people are fleeing the state?
Don't count Jerry out just yet - rumors abound that he's going after public pension obligations next, the AG's office is just figuring out how they can do it legally. He has already taken a big step by proposing the complete abolition statewide of community redevelopment agencies, which have been a liberal pet project of massive failing proportions since the 1960s. No more "enterprise zones", no more borrowing against future tax revenues - it's all going away. This will free up billions in reserve funds for local governments. He's off to a good start if you ask me.
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sw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6105 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 986 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14): No way. Very poor public speaking skills. His time has past. It's still Christie.
I stand behind my opinion.
25 NIKV69: I will give him ample time to prove he is for real reform. Lord knows CA needs something. The ball is in his court and time will tell. It's Noble. I
27 Superfly: Why couldn't Whitman just obey the law and hire a US Citizen?
28 WarRI1: I suggest Christie go on a diet, talk about a poor public image. He looks like Grover Cleveland. I can just see him at the Presidential Debates.
29 thegreatRDU: I wish he was my governor... Paladino would have put in work...Cuomo's smoke and mirrors and won't cut deep enough........I also think he'll allow ta
30 Superfly: Nah, there needs to be a fat guy hero. Too many pretty boys in the media. I thiink Christie would do very well in a debate against Obama. Paladino is
31 NIKV69: He supposedly was but I tell you this guy is something politics has needed for a long time. His stock is rising so fast he could overcome that easy.
32 Superfly: That's for sure. Hell even I'd vote for the guy. ...and I'm a liberal Democrat. Gosh I'd love to see the two in a debate.
33 NIKV69: Your not that liberal! Oh man would that be a sight. One of Christie great qualities is how real he is and that comes through when he speaks. Where O
34 Superfly: Yes I am! Yes I am! Obama is a great speaker and has an extensive vocabulary. Obama is very much a product of academia and is a reason why he is so p
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