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GOP's 1st Announced Candidate To Run Against Obama  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thetic...cks-off-the-2012-presidential-race


Herman Cain

Republicans hope that they have found their answer to Barack Obama.
I’ve never heard of the guy but he is a hero to many right-wingers in the Republican Party.
They are praising Herman Cain for his success as CEO of Godfather’s Pizza.
Thing is, I haven’t seen a Godfather’s Pizza since 1983. The last time I ate at a Godfather’s was after seeing the movie E.T. at the movie theater back in 1983.
I found their website and they boast over 500 stores nationwide.

Even if his experience is of a small forgotten about low brow pizza chain, he still has more private sector experience in running a business than Obama or anyone else in his administration.
This should be interesting.

[Edited 2011-01-16 20:48:54]


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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

He's also a talk show host in the Atlanta area, I believe.

Edit - derp.... missed the article stating that. Maybe I'll just go to bed if my first reply is so incompetent...

[Edited 2011-01-16 20:51:17]


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

So....what are they hoping to gain by this? Are they hoping that the Minority vote is as even as possible by having two black guys run rather than Obama vs. a white candidate? If so then two things will happen:

1) They will be successful because Herman Cain appears to be a well educated church going man who will identify with the black community, especially the more conservative church going black community. Plus being a conservative republican, he'll get a significant amount of the right wing vote.

2) They will be un-successful because Obama is already such a popular icon in pop culture and is also popular with Liberals and moderates. If Herman Cain can't identify with minority Obama supporters, it will be tough for him.

Nonetheless, it's a good strategy by the GOP, but I doubt he'll get the nod to run for office, it might be a little too late since he's largely unknown.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Even if his experience is of a small forgotten about low brow pizza chain, he still has more private sector experience in running a business than Obama or anyone else in his administration

Business experince? We don't need no stinking experience!


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
So....what are they hoping to gain by this?

"They" aren't doing anything. The man is announcing his candidacy, not his nomination by the party.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
Nonetheless, it's a good strategy by the GOP, but I doubt he'll get the nod to run for office, it might be a little too late since he's largely unknown

How does it apply to the GOP. I doubt he asked for their input beforehand. I have more of a chance at winning than this guy. He did this himself.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

In one context, everyone running for president in 2010 will be running against President Obama, Republican, Democrat, Liberitarian or other wise.

In the strict context - Mr. Cain will not be running against President Obama. He will be running against other Republicans and Tea Party semi-Republicans.

All trying to be the ONE Republican to run against the Democratic Party nominee, who will probably be President Obama.

Cain has good senior level management skills, but his work turning around the Philadelphia region of Burger King, and later at Godfather's. Under the ownership of Pillsbury, Godfather's had expanded too rapidly without being able to support their franchisee's. Cain save the brand from collapse.

Thanks to his leadership, they were able to escape from Pillsbury and survive the pizza chain industry turn away from fixed sit down restaurants into a delivery business model. Several chains did not survive that transition in the 90s.

I used to work in the corporate HQ of Pizza Hut, and have heard his name often - always used with respect - for his work at keeping Burger King from folding and at Godfather's. Most of his critical work at Godfather's involved solving the franchisee relationship problems and keeping the company out of bankruptcy from lawsuits by unhappy franchise owners.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
I used to work in the corporate HQ of Pizza Hut, and have heard his name often - always used with respect - for his work at keeping Burger King from folding and at Godfather's. Most of his critical work at Godfather's involved solving the franchisee relationship problems and keeping the company out of bankruptcy from lawsuits by unhappy franchise owners.

Looks like he has the best of both worlds as far as business experience is concerned - Corporate level experience of course at Godfathers, but he had to be very familiar with small business, as all his franchisees would have been in that category.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19954 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

I have one comment and one comment only:

"And the GOP accused the Democrats of playing the race card?"


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
In one context, everyone running for president in 2010 will be running against President Obama, Republican, Democrat, Liberitarian or other wise.

In the strict context - Mr. Cain will not be running against President Obama. He will be running against other Republicans and Tea Party semi-Republicans.

All trying to be the ONE Republican to run against the Democratic Party nominee, who will probably be President Obama.

We all know that but there is only so much that can fit in to the title when posting topics.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
Thanks to his leadership, they were able to escape from Pillsbury

The Godfather was afraid of THIS guy?  Wow!



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):

"And the GOP accused the Democrats of playing the race card?"

And you just confirm what people say of the left - they see a black man and they first and foremost see his race.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Herman Cain is one hell of a businessman. I like him.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
So....what are they hoping to gain by this? Are they hoping that the Minority vote is as even as possible by having two black guys run rather than Obama vs. a white candidate? If so then two things will happen:

Am I the only one who thinks it's racist to automatically assume his greatest qualification is that he's a black man?

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
it might be a little too late since he's largely unknown.

I agree he's a long shot, but remember--Obama was largely unknown two years before the last presidential election. People thought Hillary had it in the bag until quite late.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 11):
remember--Obama was largely unknown two years before the last presidential election.

Actually Obama was well known 4 years before his election as President and was the keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic Convention.

Never heard of Herman Cain and forgot about Godfather's Pizza decades ago.
You are right that it is possible for him to get his name out there and be a major player within the next 2 years.
He could rise to fame quicker than a Domino's Pizza delivery driver.  



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8329 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Business experince? We don't need no stinking experience!

That became very clear after the MBA and CEO drug us intro a totally unnecessary major war and left the country in The Great Recession at the end of their Administration.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
"And the GOP accused the Democrats of playing the race card?"

Again the GOP had nothing to do with this.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
And you just confirm what people say of the left - they see a black man and they first and foremost see his race.

Well don't forget that when the left elects someone black it's noble and historic but if the right does it's tokenism. Kind of like what Harry Reid said. "I just can't understand how any hispanic can be a Republican" Sub black for hispanic. Isn't elitism great?

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 11):
Am I the only one who thinks it's racist to automatically assume his greatest qualification is that he's a black man?

Or that somehow Boehner and the top people in the party had something to do with this.   


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
The Godfather was afraid of THIS guy?

I don't know specifically about Godfather's but during the 'let's get huge' corporate days of the 60s, 70s and 80s, many growing companies were acquired by other larger companies.

Often the smaller new division was in an industry where the larger parent was not familiar with the key factors.

For example - Pepsi makes soft drinks. They bought Pizza Hut, KFC and Taco Bell more to lock those fast food companies into exclusive Pepsi soft drink contracts than to run them as quick service restaurants.

While owned by Pepsi the three companies almost never cooperated in anything, They were also subject to another practice of the 70s-80s - the "bungee boss". An executive who was a rising star at Pepsi would come out to Wichita or Irvine or Louisville and spend one or two years as Chief Financial Officer, or Chief Operations Office or even CEO. Then they went back to Pepsi, the REAL company.

That led to a lot of changes in strategic direction, product focus, etc as each temporary boss tried to make his/her mark on the company - when he did not know hardly anything about the core business of QSR. Even worse is that most companies in the QSR sector depend greatly on franchisees for long term success. These "bungee bosses" could care less about relations with franchisees. They almost never were accountable for the long term impacts of their decisions.

One of those type decisions I had to deal with was the incompatible IT systems and infrastructure each developed under different Chief Information Officers.

I have heard similar things happened at both Burger King and Godfathers, and many other companies.

I believe one of the key factors in McDonald's success is that they were never bought by a larger company. They have always been a QSR company first and foremost. Even though much of their profitability comes from their being one of the largest real estate investment companies in the US, their core and corporate focus is still their food business.

Not to say the dough boy was bad, or badly run. But Pillsbury was a food production and food distribution company back in the 80s, not a restaurant company. By the late 90s, Pillsbury has sold off Godfathers, Steak & Ale, Bennigans and Burger King,

Today they are no longer a food production company - just a marketing division owned by General Mills (food production) and The J.M. Smucker Company (sales and distribution).


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10907 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

I never heard of this man. There is still quite a bit of time before the primaries. I wish him good luck though I think some heavy duties will declare their intentions too. I can see Mitt Romney running and Ron Paul also.

My favourite to run against Obama is Donald Trump. I hope he will be the finalist opponent or maybe the third man as an independent candidate which might be even better. Strange hair style but gread guy and quite fit for the job.
Can't wait for the debates. I hope he will be there!

  



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
My favourite to run against Obama is Donald Trump

What is so sad is that Trump would probably be 10 times the president Obama is. I would vote for him.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10907 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
What is so sad is that Trump would probably be 10 times the president Obama is. I would vote for him.

The man has stature and plenty $$$$ to pay for his campaign by himself.

  



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Herman Kane is a conservative black man with extensive business experience as will as being former charman of the Kansas City branch of the Federal Reserve Bank. He ran for the Republican nomination for the Senate in 2004 but came in second in a three man race (I voted for him).

He has announced that he will start an exploratory committee to see if he has the support and can raise enough money (after all Obama say he plans to raise $1B for his 2012 campaign) to allow him to seek the GOP nomination for President in 2012.

IMO he would be a good person to run against Obama, as his political philosophy is 100% opposite than that the President's. His candidacy will show that not all black people are liberal and want big (womb to tomb) government control of their lives.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8329 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
What is so sad is that Trump would probably be 10 times the president Obama is. I would vote for him.

Trump would hate the job as it is a sharing of power with Congress. Getting along with 535 Egos is not his style - especially when they don't agree with him.


User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1275 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Trump won't run for President, and if he does, won't survive the primaries. Herm Cain won't get far either.

Quote:
Well don't forget that when the left elects someone black it's noble and historic but if the right does it's tokenism.

Like it or not, the Republican party has a deep history of being Anti-civil rights, Anti-Black, and generally speaking anti-Minority. They're no longer anti-Jewish and they're less anti-Black than they once were (see Lee Atwater), but I wouldn't fancy Republicans chances with Latinos in the near future after fielding such "inclusive" figures as Tom Tancredo and Steve King. Despite the GOP's score with Marco Rubio.

There are always a small number of people who will find the appeal of the party trumps their interests - witness the Log Cabin Republicans. The Republican party has been almost uniformly anti-gay for decades. This very election cycle it ran a candidate that viewed homosexuality as a mental disease akin to Alcoholism. But the small number of people who comprise the Log Cabin Republicans carry on anyway. Not really sure why.

It's also true that the most prominent Black Republicans of the last decade have been, well, underwhelming, or...well...a little out there. Michael Steele? Or maybe alot out there? Alan Keyes? Allen West?

Xenophobia, Homophobia, and Racism are regularly scheduled programming for the GOP and have been for forty plus years - basically since Barry Goldwater. It should come as no surprise at all that they are judged far more harshly on matters of race than the Democrats.

[Edited 2011-01-17 08:49:08]

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6865 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 21):
Like it or not, the Republican party has a deep history of being Anti-civil rights, Anti-Black, and generally speaking anti-Minority.

Even thought they were the ones who passed the Civil Rights bill. Humph.



I love the Herminator. The guy is money. He is so on target with his speeches, his policy thoughts, his arguments for foundational government, and has done a great job helping to reach out to normal citizens who have grown frustrated. his business smarts certainly help.

I don't think he's got a chance at being elected but the greater cause is that he's going to ask some VERY tough questions and will seek answers. he's going to push hard and it'll put Obama and big government statists on the spot. If he does nothing but shine the light it'll be a success.

But except for not having held office, his qualifications are already far greater than the present incumbent of 1600.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Trump would hate the job as it is a sharing of power with Congress. Getting along with 535 Egos is not his style - especially when they don't agree with him.

Oh yea def. It's not really practical but he would be fun to watch.


User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1275 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quote:
Even thought they were the ones who passed the Civil Rights bill. Humph.

The Civil Rights act of 1964 helped create the modern Republican party. You are incorrect when you say that "they" passed it - it passed as a bipartisan measure against the objections of traditional southern Democrats - who disappeared overnight after it's passage, accellerating a trend away from Democrats in the south that had been building since the 1930s. Democrats were split about passage - virtually all Democrats aside from those in southern states voted in favor. But the old line Southern Democrats were unilaterally opposed. And many prominent Dems were included in that opposition, including Robert Byrd and Al Gore, Sr.

From 1964 onward, the southeast essentially swapped from being a Democratic stronghold where no Republicans had much of a chance to virtually unassailable Republican territory - and using the Civil Rights act and it's consequences as a way to turn out southern Republicans became a staple of Republican tactics after 1968, when the so-called "Southern Strategy" was first employed by Nixon and later to great effect by Ronald Reagan. And I'm not making that up - Republican strategists and luminaries from Lee Atwater to Henry Kissinger have publicly admitted to using the racial bias of (many but not all) southern whites as a means of drumming up electoral support from 1968 until the George W. Bush years.

[Edited 2011-01-17 10:43:18]

25 futurepilot16 : That's not racist, it's fact. Do you think John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his VP because he thought she was intelligent, and has a great a politic
26 D L X : I think you need to review your history. Civil Rights was a product of RFK and LBJ. In fact, the people that didn't like it almost uniformly joined t
27 NIKV69 : Hell how do you think he is in the white house? LOL. Sorry to see your hatred growing so much you have signed on to the "If your against Obama your f
28 AGM100 : One big reason for that was ... along with the "civil rights" legislation came the massive agenda of the big nanny state democrats. Redistributive (l
29 mham001 : I assumed that a doctor would have some intelligence about the political system but apparently not. The GOP hasn't done ANYTHING. A black man announc
30 CargoLex : Okay, I'll accept that in the 19th century, Democrats were generally opposed to civil rights. I'll even accept that prior to 1964, Southern democrats
31 D L X : False. Please don't revise history. The Civil Rights Act and the subsequent "Southern Strategy" are solely to blame for the shift in the 60s and earl
32 rfields5421 : But don't ever forget that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would probably have never passed had not President Kennedy been killed. LBJ had been pushing
33 Slider : We can pull voting records, if you like...
34 D L X : You go do that.
35 AvObserver : How sad that concern over rampant illegal immigration has somehow become synonomous with being anti-Latino since it's really NOT. That's mere Left-wi
36 474218 : The 1964 Civil Rights Bill was voted for by: In the Senate: 61% of the Democrats and 82% of the Republicans. In the House: 63% of the Democrats and 8
37 rfields5421 : You cannot consider votes in the 50s and 60s as party-line votes like today. Some of the most liberal members of Congress were Republicans and some o
38 474218 : If you mean John (Jack) and Robert (Bobby) I would agree with you, both would be considered conservatives today. But Teddy has been always been a los
39 Post contains images Superfly : Thing is, Dubya didn't earn his credentials honestly. He most likely had his frat-brothers taking test and writing papers for him. Is that going on t
40 rfields5421 : Those are acquisitions with the industry of the buying company. The 70s and 80s trend created many companies buying other companies which had nothing
41 Geezer : quote= rfields5421, reply=40 He led the effort to fix the main problems, but worked primarily to find a way to separate Godfathers from Pillsbury - to
42 Slider : Thanks 474218... Cat got your tongue, DLX?
43 Superfly : The Democratic and Republican parties were much different 40+ years ago. CargoLex and D L X clearly pointed that out.
44 AGM100 : Agreed ... the "southern strategy" as it was coined (used as a racial wedge) was in fact based on fiscal conservative values of states rights and ind
45 DeltaMD90 : I find it sad that we're arguing who was worse 60 years ago. What party voted what, and how have the parties changed... who cares? I wish politicians
46 Superfly : You have got to be kidding. You're applying contemporary issues of today to the 1968 election. Richard Nixon was trying to win as many votes as possi
47 AGM100 : How ? Sorry Larry ... I understand playing to states rights issues ... but do you believe that was anti civil rights.? In light of 1960'S politics ;
48 Superfly : States Rights is a code word for segregation. Just 20 year prior in 1948, Strom Thurmond ran an overtly racist campaign under the 'States Rights Part
49 AGM100 : Ok .. I understand that now. So in your opinion do you believe the GOP is capable of instituting segregation again ? Is that the argument ?
50 rfields5421 : The GOP, the national party, would not support segregation. But understand that while the United States of America is a very mixed, tolerant society
51 AGM100 : Well scratch Mr. Cain then .... he definitely believes that the liberals ( GOP and Dem ) are running the US into the ground . He is all about cutting
52 ManuCH : Once again, a thread about US politics has derailed and gone off-topic. It was originally about the GOP's 1st announced candidate to run against Obama
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