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South Korean Navy Gets The Job Done!  
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110121/wl_asia_afp/skoreasomaliapiracy


8 pirates dead. All 21 crew safe. WOW! Great job by the South Korea navy special forces.

"This operation demonstrated our government's strong will that we won't tolerate illegal activities by pirates any more," Lieutenant-General Lee Sung-Ho of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told a news briefing

I raise my glass and tip my hat to SK. Good job guys in our war on piracy!

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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

These pirates will stop at nothing, good going for the South Korean Navy, well done.


"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by." John Masefield Sea-Fever
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 1):
These pirates will stop at nothing, good going for the South Korean Navy, well done.

I'll say! What a plan too. Goes to show you don't have to play ball with these thugs. Killing every pirate and saving every crewmember. They should be proud. I hope to see the body count of these pirates rise and maybe they will think twice.


User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1539 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Killing every pirate

Five were captured.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1522 times:

Quoting johns624 (Reply 3):

Five were captured.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110121/wl_nm/us_somalia_korea_1

Indeed - five were captured. It's not the first time they've been dealt with harshly, won't be the last.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
. Killing every pirate

Er, no.

Apart from that, the place needs to have a bit of law and order and some stable governance, we have to work on trying to make that happen - otherwise our navies will be anchored in that region for years to come doing this kind of anti-piracy patrols. That's expensive!


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6747 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1510 times:

Don't forget that if you were Somalian, say a fisherman by trade, you could very well become a pirate for lack of anything else to do to survive...


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1502 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 4):
Indeed - five were captured. It's not the first time they've been dealt with harshly, won't be the last.

You saying Russia is too hard on pirates?   

Quoting cpd (Reply 4):
Apart from that, the place needs to have a bit of law and order and some stable governance

So does Haiti, what is your point? It's their country and they can fix it without resorting to getting some AK-47s and becoming thugs.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 5):
Don't forget that if you were Somalian, say a fisherman by trade, you could very well become a pirate for lack of anything else to do to survive...

Don't hand me that. It's the eary way out and nothing more.


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1492 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
? It's their country and they can fix it

They've had plenty of time so far, with little success. The problem is people with vested interests in keeping the situation the way it is at the moment. Something has to be done, because we can't keep having our naval resources stuck over their for 20 or 30 more years. It's too costly.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):

You saying Russia is too hard on pirates?

If you can show where I said that above...  


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Some of these ROK SEALs go through BUDs ( Basic Underwater Demo) with US Navy SEAL Candidates, which means they go through hell twice, once in ROK, and once in the US, which make them some hard core Soldiers. Good Job on this Op.

User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14089 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

While i support a violent crackdown on the priates, the main problem is that the guys who have been killed or arrested are just small fish. Somalian (and South East Asian) piracy is organised crime, comparable to largescale drug dealing. Nobody so far has been going after the leaders, who built themselves huge villas in former ramshackle fishermen´s towns and who are driving huge Toyotas.
These leaders organise the financing and plan the raids (being helped by a Mode S like transponder system for ships, which will tell them all about ships in the vicinity). Others specialise in negotiations with the shipping companies.
It is like arresting or shooting drug dealers in the streets, but not going after the Mafia bosses.

Jan


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 8):
Some of these ROK SEALs go through BUDs ( Basic Underwater Demo) with US Navy SEAL Candidates, which means they go through hell twice, once in ROK, and once in the US, which make them some hard core Soldiers. Good Job on this Op.

Your not kidding! The more I read about how this was carried out and nobody was killed is just astounding. Great job SK!


User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
Nobody so far has been going after the leaders, who built themselves huge villas in former ramshackle fishermen´s towns and who are driving huge Toyotas.
These leaders organise the financing and plan the raids (being helped by a Mode S like transponder system for ships, which will tell them all about ships in the vicinity). Others specialise in negotiations with the shipping companies.

I agree, this is the place that the resources should really be directed. If the pirates loose the ability to negotiate for ransom they would not do so. The problem however, is as with most large crime organization, numerous underlings are eager to jump up and fill the top areas. The country overall needs to change, and some industry or something needs to develop to give people an economic incentive to keep the waters pirate free, and create trade dependent economic co-dependence with other nations. Realistically, how to accomplish this is the difficult question.



"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14089 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Quoting flyorski (Reply 11):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
Nobody so far has been going after the leaders, who built themselves huge villas in former ramshackle fishermen´s towns and who are driving huge Toyotas.
These leaders organise the financing and plan the raids (being helped by a Mode S like transponder system for ships, which will tell them all about ships in the vicinity). Others specialise in negotiations with the shipping companies.

I agree, this is the place that the resources should really be directed. If the pirates loose the ability to negotiate for ransom they would not do so. The problem however, is as with most large crime organization, numerous underlings are eager to jump up and fill the top areas. The country overall needs to change, and some industry or something needs to develop to give people an economic incentive to keep the waters pirate free, and create trade dependent economic co-dependence with other nations. Realistically, how to accomplish this is the difficult question.

One thing is that the chief complaint of the Somalis (which started the whole thing before the mob barged in) needs to be adressed. Due to the civil war, Somalia doesn´t have a coast guard or a fishery protection fleet. Foreign industrial fishing companies (from Europe, e.g. Spain, and East Asia) moved into the Somaslian territorial waters and fished the fishing grounds empty. This obviously caused anger with the local fishermen, who couldn´t feed their families anymore, who then got themselves some AK-47s and RPGs (readily available in Somalia) and started attacking the foreign fishing vessels. When it got known that there was money to be made by hijacking ships and holding the crews hostage, the warlords moved in and took over in organised crime style. Today the former fishermen are relegated to operate the pirate boats, while the attacks are often carried of by semi nomadic cattle herding tribesmen from the interior, who have (as most herdsmen) a tradition of fighting for pasture land and to rustle cattle.

To make the fishermen to go back to their old trade, the foreign navies should alsdo stop foreign fishing vessels from operating in Somali waters, so that the fish population can recover.


Jan

[Edited 2011-01-22 08:07:17]

User currently onlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
"This operation demonstrated our government's strong will that we won't tolerate illegal activities by pirates any more,"

Yet more than willing to tolerate illegal activity from North Korea...

Quoting cpd (Reply 4):
Apart from that, the place needs to have a bit of law and order and some stable governance, we have to work on trying to make that happen

"We" don't need to do anything. "They" need to get their house in order. "We" remember what happened the last time we tried to help. At what point does personal responsibility start? Their messed up country is their problem, not the world's.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 5):

Don't forget that if you were Somalian, say a fisherman by trade, you could very well become a pirate for lack of anything else to do to survive...

Well, the fishing fleets only moved in on account of a lack of law and order, and whose fault is that?



Read this very carefully, I shall write this only once!
User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14089 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

The malaysian Navy was apparently successfull as well:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/new...7-Somali-pirates-after-saving-ship

Quote:
The Royal Malaysian Navy says its commandos injured three pirates in a gunbattle and rescued 23 crew members of the Malaysian-owned MT Bunga Laurel late Thursday.

The navy said in a statement that the rescue was carried out within less than two hours after pirates stormed the vessel with pistols and assault rifles. Crew members had locked themselves in a safe room and activated a distress call.

Prime Minister Najib Razak told a news conference late Friday that authorities are considering whether the pirates should be brought to Malaysia to face trial for the hijack attempt.

Jan


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 13):
Yet more than willing to tolerate illegal activity from North Korea...

Yea it's not like Somalia has China behind them or anything huh?   


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