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World's Happiest Countries 2010  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

The results are in from London-based Legatum Institute's exhaustively researched 2010 Global Prosperity Index:

To build its index Legatum gathers data from 12 sources the Gallup polling group, the Heritage Foundation and the World Economic Forum. Each country is ranked on 89 variables sorted into eight subsections: economy, entrepreneurship, governance, education, health, safety, personal freedom and social capital.

The Top 5 Happiest countries in the World

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland
4. Australia
5. New Zealand

The US came in 10th, and had the highest ranking of any country with population over 150,000,000.

As a rule, one of the best indicators, was of course, the ability to start businesses:

Of perhaps utmost importance, nearly all the nations in the top 10 are adept at fostering entrepreneurship and opportunity. Legatum's researchers concluded that a country's ranking in this area is the clearest proxy of its overall ranking in the index.

This means low business startup costs, lots of cellphones, plenty of secure Internet servers, a history of high R&D spending and the perception that working hard gets you ahead.


I buy #4 and #5 personally, but unless you're from there, Scandinavian countries are just too darned cold.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/19/nor...gton-world-happiest-countries.html


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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

The Netherlands 9th, yay! 


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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2919 times:
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Very western centric. I find that the people of the Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people. I am sure the same can be said of Samoans. They are naturally that way. And this is despite the fact that these peoples have a fraction of the economic resources of westerners. More money, more problems.

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):
Very western centric.

Realistically and practically speaking, what do you expect from a research group based in London? Start your own if you think there's not enough data on the Asian region - though I would argue there clearly is.

Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):
Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people

Based on what objective evidence?



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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2909 times:
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Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
Based on what objective evidence?

Just based on my own personal observations. A much better ranking would be based on simply asking people "are you happy," but yet it's not. It's more complicated and based on many things that stretch the idea of happiness.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

I'm not sure why business friendliness is so important, but I liked that part, about the first countries in the list :

Quote:
They are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth.

:d

Looking in detail at the methodology, it seems really focused on money, even religious attendance is somehow linked to money !



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4292 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Well, it's FORBES.

There was another ''happyness'' report not long ago, by a more ''social and cultural appreciative'' group, and in that once places like Western Samoa, Colombia, Brazil, and Ghana were among the happiest places on Earth.

What both rankings are consistent on is that they diss Argentina. We are too poor for one and too western for the other.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3910 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):

I buy #4 and #5 personally, but unless you're from there, Scandinavian countries are just too darned cold.

Plus, I wonder how the highest happiness levels jive with some of the highest suicide rates in the world...

Quoting Derico (Reply 6):
What both rankings are consistent on is that they diss Argentina. We are too poor for one and too western for the other.

Aren't Argentinians just like Portuguese, chronically depressed in nature?



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
nearly all the nations in the top 10 are adept at fostering entrepreneurship and opportunity.

Jesus if you know anyone who has ever tried to start a business in Norway you'd know that this statement does not apply. Also the suicide rate is very high, two people I work with have children who have killed themselves, last year two parents at my sons kindegarden killed themselves, one did it on Christmas day.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):
Plus, I wonder how the highest happiness levels jive with some of the highest suicide rates in the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Sweden at #28, Norway at #37 and Denmark at #42. Sure, Scandinavia is in the top half, but not hugely different from the rest of the western world. Portugal actually beats Norway and Denmark in no. of suicides per 100 000 people.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Also the suicide rate is very high

Not as high as in New Zealand, according to the WHO stats quoted in in the wiki article. Not trying to be a smartass, but the whole "Everybody kills themselves in Scandinavia" is getting old, and is simply untrue. I will say, however, the suicide is the most common cause of death for people between the ages of 13 and 26 in Sweden, which is pretty messed up.

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User currently offlineacidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
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OK I'd like to know what the SADDEST countries are. We all know the usual suspects but I'd like to know what places like 10th worst and above.


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
but unless you're from there, Scandinavian countries are just too darned cold.

That is a very general statement.

The autumns and winters in Norway can be cold, however there are many countires and cities around the world that is colder in the winter. New York and Chicago can be just as cold, if not colder than let's say Oslo, Norway.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Jesus if you know anyone who has ever tried to start a business in Norway you'd know that this statement does not apply. Also the suicide rate is very high, two people I work with have children who have killed themselves, last year two parents at my sons kindegarden killed themselves, one did it on Christmas day.

Welcome back kiwirob ! I have missed your never ending positive reviews of Norway... NOT ! Seriously your constant negative comments about Norway is getting tiresome.

There are reasons why Norway every year are high up or on top of every livingstandard, healthcare, strongest economy etc index made.

* Norway is one of the very few countries in the world with a surpluss at the moment

* One of the lowest if not the lowest unemployment

* Our murder rate is the lowest

* One of the best healthcares in the world

* One of the highest livingstandards in the world

* and NO we DON*T have the highest taxation in the world


Now, Norway is not a perfect country. No country is. The education system could be better and the justice system could be better. - But your constant negative views of Norway is simply not fitting.

[Edited 2011-01-22 03:00:54]

User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* Our murder rate is the lowest

According to what statistics? As far I as I know neither Norway nor Iceland do have the *lowest* rate and Iceland lies lower.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting aero145 (Reply 12):
According to what statistics? As far I as I know neither Norway nor Iceland do have the *lowest* rate and Iceland lies lower.

Pr. capita:

Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people

Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people

But you are correct, Norway is not the country with the lowest murder rate. I shoul have wrote " the country with one of the lowest "

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting acidradio (Reply 10):
OK I'd like to know what the SADDEST countries are. We all know the usual suspects but I'd like to know what places like 10th worst and above.

Bottom 20 (lifted from wikipedia) of the Legatum list :

91. Nepal
92. Iran
93. Mali
94. Senegal
95. Cambodia
96. Bangladesh
97. Tanzania
98. Rwanda
99. Uganda
100. Sudan
101. Zambia
102. Cameroon
103. Mozambique
104. Kenya
105. Yemen
106. Nigeria
107. Ethiopia
108. Central African Republic
109. Pakistan
110. Zimbabwe

North Korea, Burma etc. would probably be down there but no numbers are available.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 9):
the suicide rate is very high, Not as high as in New Zealand, according to the WHO stats quoted in in the wiki article.

The diference for me is that I only know of one person who has killed themselves in NZ, yet in the 4 years that I've lived here I know of 5 people who have killed themselves. Also the stats for Norway are older than NZ, it could have changed since then.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* One of the lowest if not the lowest unemployment

This is a lie and you know it, the Norwegian govt is very good at playing fast and loose with the numbers. For example my wife runs job club courses for NAV, people on this course are unemployed but when on the course they are considered employed, there are also tens of thousands of long term sickness beneficiaries who will never return to work, they are effectively unemployed yet are considered employed by the Norwegian govt.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* and NO we DON*T have the highest taxation in the world

Not not the highest but one of the highest.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The education system could be better and the justice system could be better.

You got that right, the education system is in serious need of reform and justice is almost non existent to the point where you can almost do anything you like except speed and get away with little more than a slap on the wrist or a couple of years in a govt run health spa.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10864 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

The top 3 countries have a White and mostly Protestant population with freezing climate and dark winters. This result has got to be rigged.

Happiest countries in the World
1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland

The criteria for defining the winning countries are all based on material wealth per capita. Considering this fact I am surprised Monaco and Luxembourg are not part of the top 3.

My winners for the world's top happiest places would be Western Samoa, French Polynesia and the Cook Islands.

  



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
Western Samoa, French Polynesia and the Cook Islands

I have been to these places. French Polynesia and Cook Islands twice and Samoa once. The probelm with these island nations is that there is to little work and future for people on this island. They are heavely dependant on tourism and foreign aid. Alot of the population on these islands are moving abroad for an education and better life mwith a future. There are more Cook islanders in New Zealand and Australia for instance than in the Cook Islands. But it's a great people. Especially the Cook islanders are wonderful. However it has it's price living in paradise. These island nations are nice places to visit as tourist, but I'm not sure I would move and live in any of these island groups.  


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3020 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

I'm a Norwegian living in Australia, and I can say that I am actually very happy, so that list must be very accurate!

 
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Jesus if you know anyone who has ever tried to start a business in Norway you'd know that this statement does not apply. Also the suicide rate is very high, two people I work with have children who have killed themselves, last year two parents at my sons kindegarden killed themselves, one did it on Christmas day.

I don't think I've ever seen a positive statement from you about living in Norway. So why do you still live there? Every country has happy and unhappy people, the top 5 just have a higher percentage of happy people, you strike me as part of the unhappy Kiwi population....

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 18):
I don't think I've ever seen a positive statement from you about living in Norway.

The money is good and I like winter sports, happy now.

I just don't think people should buy into the hype about Norway because as far as I'm concerned it's all a load of rubbish. I'm here because my wife wants to be here, close to her family and friends, I love my wife and kids a lot, so I stay.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):
Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people

Based on what objective evidence?

Can you really quantify happiness with objective evidence?

-Mir



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
Can you really quantify happiness with objective evidence?

Seems to me that's what Legatum has attempted via their analysis process.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 21):
Seems to me that's what Legatum has attempted via their analysis process.

As the article says, they're really measuring prosperity, not happiness. Happiness is entirely subjective.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 9):

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):
Plus, I wonder how the highest happiness levels jive with some of the highest suicide rates in the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Sweden at #28, Norway at #37 and Denmark at #42. Sure, Scandinavia is in the top half, but not hugely different from the rest of the western world. Portugal actually beats Norway and Denmark in no. of suicides per 100 000 people.

And are we seriously suggesting that Haiti may be a Happy Place?



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3910 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
My winners for the world's top happiest places would be Western Samoa, French Polynesia and the Cook Islands.

Have never been to Western Samoa or the Cook Islands, but if the people in French Polynesia are so happy then how come customer service is so horrible? Seems like they always nave a huge frown on their face and are doing you a favor by even talking to you.



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25 KiwiRob : Are you sure you're not confusing French Polynesians with Norwegians, service in this country is pretty bad, even in the best resturants services sta
26 Aaron747 : No different in Hawaii, generally speaking.
27 Mortyman : Man, you got issues... If Norway is so horrible, I have no doubt that a man such as yourself with so hard hitting arguments can find a way to convinc
28 KiwiRob : Mortyman you must have been living in a cave for a long time if you think service in Norway is any good. I don't voice my dissatisfaction of Norway to
29 Post contains images Mortyman : I don't think is good or bad. Just right In most other countries you have to pay tips and you get misserable service in return. In Norway you don't h
30 AirPacific747 : So have I, and I completely agree with your analysis above. I understand why you think this. No offense to the Norwegians in here, but even as a Dane
31 Santi319 : I agree with most if not all, "quality of life" does not necessarly mean you will be happy, I do agree that Brasil, Puerto Rico (of course), Costa Ric
32 Post contains links HELyes : Here's an other large global study, where people were asked do they FEEL happy. http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/14/wor...style-realestate-gallup-table.
33 MEA-707 : Not sure about the latin countries being thát happy. Latin people often have a more extravert and spontanious character and know how to party, but hi
34 Post contains images HELyes : Yes money doesn't necessarily bring happiness. I think the Nordics feel happy because they generally feel safe and equal, even though it means higher
35 luckyone : Bingo. I just moved from living in the Caribbean for 16 months, and it is not a happy place to live. Work prospects are bleak and money is scarce. I
36 Post contains images jetblue777 : I agree. A lot of people from S. America and Latin America are very friendly and happy people even though a lot of them are below the poverty line. I
37 StuckInCA : Meh. I'd deal with the cold. Denmark and Norway are my kind of places. Denmark is just a little too flat or it'd be heaven.
38 kiwiinoz : Well it doesn't sound like you are being a very gracious guest, which is something most Kiwi's pride themselves on....you are letting the side down!!
39 Post contains images KiwiRob : I will concede you that point. I despise paying tips. I don't have any serious problems with Norway I just don't believe it lives up to it's hype or
40 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Happiest countries in the World 1. Norway 2. Denmark 3. Finland I see the choices as being 1) racist and 2) defined by purely materialistic Westernize
41 Post contains links HELyes : Check reply #32, there's an other recent global study where people were ASKED if they are happy. The same Nordic countries in TOP 3, but also Costa R
42 MadameConcorde : I will take Costa Rica any day over any Scandinavivan country. Costa Rica is one heck of a nice country! I am surprised not to see Monaco in the top
43 HELyes : Yes Costa Rica looks one of the best places in Americas. Could be a great to live, with my middle class income, but what if the money wouldn't be the
44 luckyone : Millions of people have immigrated to France because the French and Germans needed cheap labor in the post war years to drive their economies. The fa
45 sw733 : Considering there are, what, almost 200 countries in the world, and the list you cite ends at 110...seems like a LOT of countries are missing, not ju
46 Post contains links CPH-R : ABC's 20/20 did a story about this 'phenomenon' a few years ago, and in my opinion it still rings somewhat true. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4
47 babybus : I think another problem is getting good data from developing countires. Many countries don't collect and certainly won't publish population data on s
48 AirPacific747 : Or maybe it is down to cultural differences, and by that I mean that maybe Scandinavian people express happiness in a different way than they do in L
49 Santi319 : That makes a lot of sense to me.
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