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Should The Government Do Something About Obesity?  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19499 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

I've heard a lot of people from the right recently railing against Michelle Obama and her efforts to bring healthier food to America's children. I've heard arguments from "she's a fatso herself!" (she's not) to "what right does the government have..?"

In San Francisco, fast food meals that offer children's toys are banned unless they meet certain nutritional standards. New York City banned trans fats. Etc.

Well, I recently heard two arguments. The first was the same, tired "costs to society" argument I hear about drugs, tobacco, alcohol, gambling, sex industry, soda, fast food, blah blah blah. I don't like that argument because it could be used to justify just about any repressive government behavior. How long until you're not allowed to play basketball because you might fall and hurt yourself and "the costs to society...."?

But another argument was this: This is an issue of national security. In an age where 1/3 of adults are obese and 1/3 of kids are overweight, we do not have enough people to run a military if a real, honest-to-goodness war were to break out! Americans are too fat to fight!

Now, one of the Constitutionally guaranteed powers of the Federal government is to "provide for the common defense." Admittedly, this probably isn't the sort of problem John Adams and Ben Franklin had in mind, but surely it's real?

Could the federal government actually be constitutionally justified in tackling the problem?

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

The US government should be focused on paying off it's debts, bring back jobs / job creation and national security.
The government should not be concerned with 'people watching' and being 'fashion cops'.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
In San Francisco, fast food meals that offer children's toys are banned unless they meet certain nutritional standards.


Yet the San Francisco public schools has cut physical education in lieu of poetry.  
The only fast-food option in downtown San Francisco is McDonald's. Everything else is expensive bistros with $10 salads that working class folks normally can't afford.

[Edited 2011-01-31 01:01:05]


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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
The only fast-food option in downtown San Francisco is McDonald's. Everything else is expensive bistros with $10 salads that working class folks normally can't afford.

So what happened to people making their own food? Bringing their own sandwich/salad/etc. to the workplace.

You can't get cheaper than made at home.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

I don't think the military argument would hold up all that well.

One thing the government could do is mandate that schools start serving healthy meals to their students. Limit the fried foods, pizza, etc. That way, even if the kids are not getting fed well at home, at least they can have one good meal per day.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting JJJ (Reply 2):
So what happened to people making their own food? Bringing their own sandwich/salad/etc. to the workplace.

You can't get cheaper than made at home.


No argument there. I did it from time to time but me personally, I hate carrying things.
Why can't lower-end food chains be an option?
Within the last 15 years, Wendy's, Carl's Jr, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Taco Bell and Burger King have been forced out of downtown San Francisco in favor of cute little expensive bistros. All of the above chains I listed were doing very well.
I'm sure many of those cute little bistos have lots of calories as well.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I don't think the military argument would hold up all that well.


A good lawyer can make a case.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
One thing the government could do is mandate that schools start serving healthy meals to their students.


Or just simply bring back P.E.

[Edited 2011-01-31 01:02:27]


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User currently offlinesimonriat From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Hi All

Is P.E not mandatory in Juniour and High School over there?

Thanks
Simon


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

Quoting simonriat (Reply 5):
Hi All

Is P.E not mandatory in Juniour and High School over there?


Used to be back when I was in school.
Not now.
Many have faced cutbacks and many gym facilities are no longer maintained.
Student's often get doctor's excuses as well to get out of P.E.
In fact, here is a school that doesn't even have physical education.

http://www.urbanhabitat.org/node/1352

[Edited 2011-01-31 01:20:23]


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User currently offlinesimonriat From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Wow.

Thanks superfly.

I'm not that long out of school, but we had both P.E and swimming lessons.

And I thought the reason behind the US winning a lot at sporting events i.e Olympics etc, was because of the way the sports system was set up in schools over there.

Back to the OP.

As far as I'm aware. PE is still part of the mandatory curriculum, I.e the government says it has to be part of the time table, and the UK is still facing and ever increasing problem with obesity.

I don't think the problem lays at school, (although they could do more to teach about a healthy lifestyle.) I think the issues lay at home. Too easy to press a button on the Playstation or Nintendo without supervision, rather go outside with friends.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting simonriat (Reply 7):
I don't think the problem lays at school, (although they could do more to teach about a healthy lifestyle.) I think the issues lay at home. Too easy to press a button on the Playstation or Nintendo without supervision, rather go outside with friends.


That is another thing I want to bring up.
I NEVER hear of any off these nutrition 'experts' and their lawyers ever mention taking on the 'creative' people in the video game industry.
Video games is a direct replacement for the real sport it imitates.
Up until the the 1980s, kids played football, soccer, basketball, baseball and other sports outside with their friends.
Today they play them on video games.

Quoting simonriat (Reply 7):
I thought the reason behind the US winning a lot at sporting events i.e Olympics etc, was because of the way the sports system was set up in schools over there.


That's due to proper coaching and not all Americans are lazy that sit around playing video games & eating fast food (even though a few forum members here would say otherwise)
There are still good parents out there that make sure that their kids are involved and challenged physically and academically.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
That is another thing I want to bring up.
I NEVER hear of any off these nutrition 'experts' and their lawyers ever mention taking on the 'creative' people in the video game industry.
Video games is a direct replacement for the real sport it imitates.
Up until the the 1980s, kids played football, soccer, basketball, baseball and other sports outside with their friends.
Today they play them on video games.

I suspect that they have not gone after the video game industry, because it is not that industries fault that children are addicted to video games. Rather, the fault lies squarely with parents who have allowed their children to substitute video games for physical activity.



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User currently offlinejessbp From UK - Wales, joined Dec 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

I don't think many people would by that argument Doc. For the greater good of the country sounds great, very patriotic. but in practice, many will still see it as the government sticking it's nose in where it's not wanted. In the UK we're starting to have the same problems with obesity as you guys. (iirc we're the fattest european country) The trouble is that every one wants a quick fix and a good fall guy. I personally think that are many links in a chain that's leading to the current obesity problem. You can't really blame fast food. Personal responsibility must come into force here. I've seen families in my local McDonald's feeding infants a beef burger. The problem really is one of education and cost here. I can go tonight and by a 12 inch pizza for a £1 (about a buck 50.) You just pop it in the oven and bingo, 15 mins later you have a pizza. If I want to cook something healthier though, say a vegetable stir fry, it'll cost upwards of 5 maybe £6 to get the ingredients, plus I have to do all the prep work then cook it. No I would and do do that, But for many parents, a cheap pizza is all they need to shut the kids up. So if we could price the bad stuff more appropriately, whist making it cheaper to get the raw ingredients for meals, that would be one link in the chain broken.

The pizza is also popular because here don't know how to cook! My generation was taught how to cook in school, so were the boys. But after I left school, cookery lessons started to disappear. These days, People can't cook a simple roast dinner, because they don't know how. Teach people to cook and another link gets severed.

the final problem here is a lack of exercise. Now some of it, as superfly suggests is due to the Xbox's and PS3's of the world. But Parents need to parent on this issue. But as for the rest of the exercise problem, I simply don't have an answer to that.

I know obesity is a big problem, But it's gonna take a big society wide shift to get change, and sadly, the more governments meddle with it, the more people seem to rail against it. Things will change, But we're not quite there yet.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
The US government should be focused on paying off it's debts, bring back jobs / job creation and national security.
The government should not be concerned with 'people watching' and being 'fashion cops'.

Yes Yes Yes.... The government should play no part in the personal responsibilities of their citizens and should only focus on the bigger picture. It seems like micro managing is the way of people these days and its pathetic...


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Up until the the 1980s, kids played football, soccer, basketball, baseball and other sports outside with their friends.
Today they play them on video games.

I lay that blame in the parents. Obsessive parenting especially.

When I was young we played in the streets all the time. Football, basketball, rode bikes, beach and pool in summer, whatever.

Nobody looked after us and never anyone got (seriously) hurt.

Now parents don't let their children go to the park because there's strange people, don't let them ride bikes because there's too much traffic, don't let them go to the beach or swimming pool because they can drown.

What can they do? They sit at home and play playstation.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
I suspect that they have not gone after the video game industry, because it is not that industries fault that children are addicted to video games. Rather, the fault lies squarely with parents who have allowed their children to substitute video games for physical activity.

Ok so can we use that same argument for fast-food?
So far, the focus has only been on the food industry. Seems like this would open the door to a lot of frivolous lawsuits and be a financial windfall for lawyers throughout the country.

Quoting jessbp (Reply 10):
The trouble is that every one wants a quick fix and a good fall guy. I

Spot on!
Sad but true.

Quoting jessbp (Reply 10):
You can't really blame fast food. Personal responsibility must come into force here. I've seen families in my local McDonald's feeding infants a beef burger. The problem really is one of education and cost here. I can go tonight and by a 12 inch pizza for a £1 (about a buck 50.) You just pop it in the oven and bingo, 15 mins later you have a pizza.

  

Quoting jessbp (Reply 10):
The pizza is also popular because here don't know how to cook!

LOL!
Hundreds of years ago, British explorers risked their lives sailing the open seas in search of better food.


Worth noting, McDonald's menu is the healthiest it has ever been. 30 years ago, that wasn't the case. McDonald's was the first fast food chain to ad salads to it's menu and the first to do away with Styrofoam containers.
But of course it just sounds easy to go after McDonald's because they are a very profitable corporation.
Lawyers see the most dollar $ign$ if they go after them.

[Edited 2011-01-31 02:35:30]


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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Quoting jessbp (Reply 10):
My generation was taught how to cook in school, so were the boys. But after I left school, cookery lessons started to disappear. These days, People can't cook a simple roast dinner, because they don't know how. Teach people to cook and another link gets severed.

Frankly, teaching kids how to cook in school seems to me like a total waste of precious time (have been through that as well in the 1980s). How much did you actually learn in those classes that has any relevance to real life?
Unless people see the benefit or added value in cooking proper food themselves no government babysitting or as someone called it "foodporn" (those countless TV cooking shows) will prevent them going for the fast food and/or buying a fixed meals in supermarket.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
Frankly, teaching kids how to cook in school seems to me like a total waste of precious time (have been through that as well in the 1980s). How much did you actually learn in those classes that has any relevance to real life?

I had the option of taking the cooking class in 7th. grade (1985-86) but chose drafting class instead. I did manage to become a really good cook. That is something I wanted to do anyway but I learned how to cook by dating chubby girls. 



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User currently offlinejessbp From UK - Wales, joined Dec 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Worth noting, McDonald's menu is the healthiest it has ever been. 30 years ago, that wasn't the case. McDonald's was the first fast food chain to ad salads to it's menu and the first to do away with Styrofoam containers.
But of course it just sounds easy to go after McDonald's because they are a very profitable corporation.
Lawyers see the most dollar $ign$ if they go after them.

Not going after McDonalds specifically, just happened to remember that incident first. Trust me I've seen it happen in most of the fast food outlets here.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):

Frankly, teaching kids how to cook in school seems to me like a total waste of precious time (have been through that as well in the 1980s). How much did you actually learn in those classes that has any relevance to real life?

that's a fair comment really. Most of my cooking skills I Learned at home. But while I learned at home, many didn't. And that's the problem. If parents aren't passing on the skills then schools the only place they'll learn.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8823 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

Could the federal government actually be constitutionally justified in tackling the problem?

You answered your own question. We've never had a problem fielding an army of sufficient size for what was needed for it, so you can't invoke "national defence". Without a constitutional amendment, it's a state issue, if anything.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5504 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

It is absolutely not a proper use of the federal powers. The ludicrous expansion of the interference by the federal government is foul enough as it is.

Now, if the first lady believe she can promote a healthier lifestyle for Americans, then by all means, I think she's right to do so... provided nothing like the force of law is used to do it!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 18):
It is absolutely not a proper use of the federal powers.

  
Yet federal powers seem disinterested in controlling the debt.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 18):
Now, if the first lady believe she can promote a healthier lifestyle for Americans, then by all means, I think she's right to do so... provided nothing like the force of law is used to do it!

Agreed but I think she's a bit too large to be a proper spokesperson on this issue. (although I'd still hit it)



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

I don't think it's the government's place to get involved - rather, it's the health insurance companies'. If the government requires everyone to carry health insurance, and the insurance companies charge obese people higher premiums to cover their higher risk, then people will have a disincentive to be obese.


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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Not too worried about defence...as long as draftees in a war weren't reporting to boot camp on Rascals, the drill instructors would have them whipped into shape fast enough.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
LOL!
Hundreds of years ago, British explorers risked their lives sailing the open seas in search of better food.

Heh....my Imperial history professor in college had a personal theory that the main motivating force behind the British Empire was to get some decent restaurants in London.  


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

It would be unconstitutional to tell a person what they should eat, so in that case, I would oppose that. However, I DO think the government would be wise to revise the curriculum and place PE in ALL schools in all grade levels and ban sweets and unhealthy snacks from school. That way, no one can say they aren't trying. Homes too need to build a better atmosphere for healthy living. Why are kids as young as three already glued to TVs, handhelds, and PCs? Why aren't parents willing to cook dinner and sit with their kids? Why aren't they willing to spend a day just walking or running or playing a sport? I think many children channels should imitate what Nickelodeon does but on a more frequent basis: block out the channel and encourage kids to go out and play a sport.


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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Next thing you know the government will control health care to control the supply "Soylent Green" which of course is the only food the government will supply. That will take care of obesity and health care costs.

Okie


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

I don't think it's government's role and frankly I don't think there is much government could do. Many people are content to eat poorly and not exercise. The downside is the increased health care costs we all pay, though I guess the upside is that the obesity epidemic might start to shorten life expectancies which could lower health care costs for the elderly (since they'll be dead) and help Social Security. I try to find a silver lining in most things.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
McDonald's was the first fast food chain to ad salads to it's menu and the first to do away with Styrofoam containers.

Most of the food that McDonald's (or any other fast food chain) tries to pass off as healthy really isn't. Many of the salads have as many calories/fat as the burgers/cheeseburgers.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Used to be back when I was in school.
Not now.
Many have faced cutbacks and many gym facilities are no longer maintained.

I had mandatory PE, but never found it very effective. We got very little real exercise. I remember trying to play basketball with 30 kids on the court and one ball....let's just say you didn't move much. I think most of my exercise came from after-school activities until I reached high-school and ran cross-country/track. Of course, my mother also made sure I ate healthy...fast food was a rarity in our house.


25 Post contains images pwm2txlhopper : No, the government should butt out and let people make their own decisions whether healthy or not. To do otherwise is to be a nanny state. I hate peo
26 Mir : She's tall, sure, but in what alternate reality is Michelle Obama overweight? -Mir
27 Aaron747 : I for one cannot believe how many people eat out for lunch. I mean I do occasionally if I have some kind of occasion, like meeting a friend, but othe
28 Post contains images Superfly : Same for all the over-priced bistros that went in their place. So what is the gripe? The price? San Francisco became too loony for ME! Now you know t
29 Post contains images Aaron747 : Oh dude, the thread just ended right there. No comebacks for that!!
30 DocLightning : Really? Is that why all those people during Gulf War II were retained in the military long after they were supposed to be out? We also happen to be t
31 pwm2txlhopper : Exactly! I'm only 30, but when I was a kid and school wasn't in session, we'd play outside all day. Depending on the parents, sometimes they wouldn't
32 Post contains images Ken777 : I think that the school day is filled with a lot of crap that kids find boring. I'd be happy with some core "life" classes, including cooking. Then t
33 L410Turbolet : Well, that was my point. Unless you don't find an added value in cooking for yourself, no government's poking its nose into your kitchen will change
34 Post contains links Superfly : Actually the very red Republican city of Roseville is the skinniest city in the USA. That is were all of those SUV driving, fast-food eating, suburba
35 Flighty : Oh brother... That is also a much over-used threat. The govt already does tons of things to PROMOTE obesity. Subsidized corn and soy crops... subsidi
36 AGM100 : In High School athletics we had a simple chart ... a height weight proportion chart . In order to letter or achieve the credit for the elective you ha
37 L410Turbolet : Well that's kids being kids... meaning being stupid. But I though the discussion was about how to get kids out of their bedrooms to have some physica
38 pwm2txlhopper : In this day and age when we teach kids that everybody is a winner, and you can't do anything that might hurt a kid's self-esteem, I can only imagine
39 Post contains images KiwiRob : My kids won't eat pizza, makes it frustrating when you take the oldest to a birthday party when Norwegians only serve hotdogs and pizza. When it's my
40 jessbp : Lol. I know what you mean. I can't stand cheese, so I make a cheeseless pizza. Lovely. We do have a problem here though with kids not knowing where f
41 DocLightning : The hell you can't. Schools all over the country are sending letters home to parents about their kids' weight.
42 pwm2txlhopper : Like individual letters aimed at select students? Or the increasingly chubby student body as a whole? If they're aimed at select individuals, I would
43 Post contains images blrsea : I have observed that in my work place, the asian folks tend to bring home cooked food for their lunch. The americans mostly eat at the cafetaria. Very
44 AGM100 : Just curious do you spend anytime around the student body of your local high-school / Jr High ? I keep hearing the quote over an over about how we ha
45 PPVRA : Yeah, but it's easier for them because they don't really like western food anyways, so they don't have much of a choice. I haven't spent much time in
46 pwm2txlhopper : Can't say that I do, but 15 years ago when I was in the same school, I remember a lot of chunky and obese kids. In my state 63% of people are either
47 Mir : That would be tough to carry out in practice - the methodology for those things tends to be flawed. A very fit person can weigh "too much" for their
48 Flighty : Yes definitely. A funny thing is, kids are controllable. You can control what a kid eats, to some extent. I am 99% sure when I have kids, the diet pr
49 BMI727 : Of course at the beginning of WWII, many Americans were too blind or illiterate to fight and the government fixed that. Well, they probably would spe
50 Post contains images Superfly : I'm 5',11" and weight well over 185 pounds (250 pounds) yet I can easily ride 30 miles on a bicycle. I did this all the time in San Francisco which h
51 DocLightning : Some districts are sending letters to all parents, but they are individualized. "Your child's BMI is..." Many parents of normal kids think that they
52 Zentraedi : Don't think it can be that simple. One of my college roommates was 6'8" and 300 lbs but w/ very low body fat. No reason to send those people to fat c
53 Post contains images DocLightning : There are always those for whom BMI charts don't tell the whole story. They are the exception. On the right is Arnold Schwarzenegger with a BMI of 32
54 Airport : Mandate healthier school lunches When I was in elementary school in the 1990s, it was just absolutely ridiculous. Kids including I were forced to eat
55 DocLightning : That alone won't do it. OK, folks. Here's my doctor lecture: Regardless of contributing factors (hormonal, genetic, lifestyle, dietary composition, t
56 Post contains links Rabenschlag : Look at that animation: http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html Quite impressive (and no time for throwing mud at the USA. It's quite similar in m
57 Post contains links oly720man : But has the food available and the quality of it and the quantity? How slowly/quickly does a human body adapt to a change in diet? Do people from dif
58 FlyPNS1 : A few things have changed. Exercise patterns among children and adults have deteriorated severely in the past twenty years. For children, it's too mu
59 TUNisia : Simple steps one can take to lose weight and feel better (from personal experience): 1) Eliminate High Fructose Corn Syrup intake and eating food whic
60 Flighty : Include diet. The diet (calories in) has changed. The calories out (lifestyle) is dramatically lower too because I am guessing screen time has gone w
61 DocLightning : Not in the last 10-20 years. We had video game systems in 1990. And in 2000. We also had the internet in 2000. Yes, from the 1960's but not from the
62 casinterest : Doc since the mid-90's you are forgetting some major behavioral changes. 1. The rise of the Internet, and by proxy more computers sold 2. The Rise in
63 DocLightning : I don't think that these things can cause the meteoric rise in obesity that we're seeing alone. Typically, leptin jumps in and reduces caloric intake
64 Aaron747 : I would agree. When we were playing Nintendo back in the day, you could put in a couple hours at most. Some of the recent games are so immersive I kn
65 acidradio : This obesity epidemic is completely made by government subsidies in corn and wheat. Large agribusinesses have hijacked the US Dept. of Agriculture int
66 Post contains images KiwiRob : Some parents just don't see how fat there kids are and need a good kick up the butt to help them see the light and sort there kids out before it's to
67 DocLightning : Are you aware that consumption of these products has risen in a manner that parallels the rise in obesity? If it is the sole cause, as you say, then
68 charles79 : Great question Doc. The Libertarian in me says that the government, whether Federal or State, should have nothing to do with our diet. However, as a r
69 casinterest : But it wouldn't be the sole cause. I beleive the lack of activity I have brought up, and the onslaught of these products helps.
70 Flighty : I tend to think you are right on the money. It sounds simplistic, but, the raw power of American agriculture is no small thing. Another very pesky pa
71 Post contains links and images Superfly : Spot on. Anyhow, food and eating habits was an issue in the 2008 Presidential campaign. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIAkQWXfxmQ
72 Post contains links Rabenschlag : At least the infection theory has some scientific support http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100920074011.htm
73 ltbewr : The continuing rise in obesity = more costs for health care, people dying sooner and sicker. That costs everybody not just in money but in a poorer qu
74 DocLightning : And it makes sense. Many adults can effortlessly maintain a body weight over many years, while a caloric imbalance of as little as 1% will cause rapi
75 Rabenschlag : My personal experience screams biology too. Of course, metabolic rate is age correlated. I experienced such a huge change in how my body responds to
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