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Glimpse Of Real Australia......?  
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Thought this might be of interest. It's a group of young people who staged a performance at a Perth shopping centre to support an appeal for help for the Queensland flood victims. Apparently they raised quite a bit, good for them.......

As it happens, a lot of people (myself included) would like to see this song adopted as the national anthem, instead of the silly childish thing we have at the moment.

Anyway - hope people enjoy watching it. A real 'tear-jerker' if you live here, this sort of thing is exactly what Australia (at its best) is all about.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGoNbrODq8U

[Edited 2011-02-13 04:38:18]


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User currently offlineiakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Nice and touching.
Somewhat reminiscent of Irish ballads, it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10907 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

wow... this is wonderful... patriotism for a good cause! so well put together and professional... not an off note, all good singers... congragulations and all the better for them... i hope they will raise a lot of funds for the Queensland flood victims.

  



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Sounds like something you might hear at a New Age Evangelical Church.

Good on them for doing something to raise some money for the flood relief though.



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User currently offlineQFKangaroo747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

This is a great song that always makes me feel very proud, and as an Australian now living overseas, it certainly is a tear-jerker for me.

I do feel that our current anthem needs replacing, and I think that 'I am Australian' would be a much better choice. That said, I'm still not sure I would consider it to be an ideal anthem. It is a wonderful, stirring ballad that fills me with pride each time I hear it...but it lacks something which an anthem needs. I think iakobos might be on to something, ie it seems to lack a certain desired tempo for an anthem, and it doesn't conclude with a big rousing 'knockout' of a held note.

It's a wonderful song, I just can't envisage it as an anthem though. Still, I'd take it over 'Advance Australia Fair' any day.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8329 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting iakobos (Reply 1):
it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.

My preference was Waltzing Matilda.

As for the kids in the video: Good on 'em. Perth always has been a generous city and it's nice to know the younger ones are following their "elders". WIsh I had been there to see it.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
My preference was Waltzing Matilda.

Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.

There was a vote in 1976 - AAF won with 43%, Waltzing Matilda 28%, GSTQ/K 18%. It'd be much closer these days.

Good on the kids doign something positive to help others!!!

As to the song, well, at least it's no "Say G'Day"......


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Its sounds Very Similar to Lee Greenwood's - Proud to be an American (there is also a Canadian Version). Its a good song but not something I would think would be an anthem. But hey the Aussies could pioneer something if it became their anthem.

Also and an Aussie would say "Good on them doing this to raise money for the flood victims!!"



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19963 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting iakobos (Reply 1):
Nice and touching.
Somewhat reminiscent of Irish ballads, it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.

But that's it. This is what I envy about Australia and Australians.

As an American, I feel alienated from my national anthem and symbols. I feel that they have been stolen from me, taken as symbols not of my nation and people, but of the most extreme, prideful, and arrogant segments of our society. In America, the flag is entertwined with American "greatness." And our military. You can't be patriotic in this country without loving the military.

Australians have a deep national pride, and I felt that during my travels there. But while it's a quiet, humble sort of pride, I get nothing of the arrogant superiority that I feel when I see my own national symbols. It's a pride about unity, about being 21 million people on a huge landmass. About being land of immigrants and settlers. Strong and independent, but humble and united. I feel that in many ways, Australia is what I wish America was.

I look forward to the day when I can see an American flag again as representing the other America. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.

This is australia we are talking about...   



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5715 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
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Quoting nighthawk (Reply 10):
This is australia we are talking about...

Big call from one who's island provided the criminals!!  
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.

And with it's copyright held in the USA!

The video..... Like the song, liked the sentiment... big enough to admit to becoming a little misty eyed!



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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 4):
It's a wonderful song, I just can't envisage it as an anthem though.

I can just imagine "honest John" Howard and Pauline Hanson singing it, with tears in their eyes, especially the during the bit about "from all the lands on earth we come".

But the lyrics are powerful, reflecting the people from diverse backgrounds who have through their several and joint efforts built modern Australia. Most Australians share that view, a positive one that it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, if you work honestly to support yourself and your family and are willing to make a contribution, you will be accepted as Australian.

Despite that, I am not sure whether it should become our national anthem. It could certainly be used to promote migrants becoming citizens and at popular celebrations like Australia Day. The advantage over Advance Australia Fair is that it does have a singalong feel to it, whereas our official anthem sounds more like a dirge. The "let us rejoice" in the lyrics seems at odds with the solemnity of the music.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Thanks for all the kind comments, guys and gals. Glad I posted it, it seems to have touched many people.....

Quoting Quokka (Reply 12):
it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, if you work honestly to support yourself and your family and are willing to make a contribution, you will be accepted as Australian.

Spot on, Quokka. Just so long as newcomers don't do anything REALLY silly, like supporting Collingwood........  
Quoting iakobos (Reply 1):
it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.
Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 4):
it lacks something which an anthem needs. I think iakobos might be on to something, ie it seems to lack a certain desired tempo for an anthem, and it doesn't conclude with a big rousing 'knockout' of a held note.

Anthems in general don't bother me a lot. In my time, as a British reservist serving in occupied Germany many years ago, I did my share of standing to attention and 'presenting arms' while 'God saved the Queen' and/or our American cousins recalled 'the rockets' red glare.....'. Even had to parade once with the French, still waiting for their 'day of glory' to arrive again......  

But, looking back, I AM left with the impression that most national anthems are just plain nonsense; at best relics of the distant (and usually military) past. An anthem that actually reflected what people feel about their country, now, today, might not be at all a bad thing.......?

I don't think the 'tempo' is a problem. I'm no musician, but as far as I can tell the tune appears to be in 4/4 time. Experimenting by marching up and down my living-room (the idiotic things we A.netters find ourselves doing  ) , as far as I can see, all you'd have to do to make it suitably 'martial' is to play it a bit quicker........

For people who don't know the current (frankly awful) Aussie anthem, here it is. Popularly known as 'Gert,' for reasons that will become clear as you listen.........  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcMuf8wE52k

[Edited 2011-02-14 06:11:33]


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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2090 times:
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Or, how about Adam Hills' version of Advance Australia Fair sung to the tune of Jimmy Barnes "Working Class Man"?

Now THAT sounds cool!

(Hope I printed this link correctly!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiEycVMKoJo



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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Spot on, Quokka. Just so long as newcomers don't do anything REALLY silly, like supporting Collingwood........

Being an Eagles supporter I don't care who they support as long as it is not Collingwood despite Mick Malthouse's invaluable contribution in building the club before joining Collingwood. Credit where credit is due.  
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Popularly known as 'Gert,'

And what is wrong with Gert having a nice day out at the beach with the kids?  


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
But, looking back, I AM left with the impression that most national anthems are just plain nonsense; at best relics of the distant (and usually military) past. An anthem that actually reflected what people feel about their country, now, today, might not be at all a bad thing.......?

I think the german anthem represents most of these aspects within its different verses, of which only one is actually the official anthem today and the other two having been misused, misunderstood and/or originally intended for entirely different purposes.

The song above does indeed seem to reflect a more enlightened view of the nation than most anthems traditionally did (and the third and nowadays official verse of the german anthem goes into a similar direction by itself).

Australia has its own sometimes difficult history, and I think acknowledging these roots and taking a positive stance towards the future is the best people can do.  


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19963 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):

But, looking back, I AM left with the impression that most national anthems are just plain nonsense; at best relics of the distant (and usually military) past. An anthem that actually reflected what people feel about their country, now, today, might not be at all a bad thing.......?

Ours is a big run-on question. Go figger...


User currently offlineQFKangaroo747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
As an American, I feel alienated from my national anthem and symbols. I feel that they have been stolen from me, taken as symbols not of my nation and people, but of the most extreme, prideful, and arrogant segments of our society. In America, the flag is entertwined with American "greatness." And our military. You can't be patriotic in this country without loving the military.

Australians have a deep national pride, and I felt that during my travels there. But while it's a quiet, humble sort of pride, I get nothing of the arrogant superiority that I feel when I see my own national symbols. It's a pride about unity, about being 21 million people on a huge landmass. About being land of immigrants and settlers. Strong and independent, but humble and united. I feel that in many ways, Australia is what I wish America was.

I look forward to the day when I can see an American flag again as representing the other America. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Wow, you have really nailed it there Doc. I'm an Australian now living in America, and while I think great things about America too, I am having quite a difficult time adjusting. And I think so much of it is because of what you have so eloquently stated above: I miss the quiet, humble sort of pride that we have in Australia. In Australia, I can be critical of our government and our military without having fellow Australians jump down my throat and label me "un-Australian". I can be a patriotic Australian without being arrogant and without saluting the military.
I can't do the same here. Lately I have been at real risk of losing the few friends I have made here in America, just because I have been quite critical of America - in particular the more 'arrogant' aspects of the national character, American foreign policy and the US military. But apparently those are the very things which define pride here, and as an Australian it does sadden me.  
Quoting Quokka (Reply 12):
I can just imagine "honest John" Howard and Pauline Hanson singing it, with tears in their eyes, especially the during the bit about "from all the lands on earth we come".

Yes, can't you just?    A discussion of this song, or of multiculturalism in general almost always yields to comments being made about what a wonderful country Australia is because of it's diversity, and it's relative openness to migration - no matter who you talk to. This really just shows how out of touch people like Hanson and Howard were. Good riddance to them. (Admittedly though, there are many in the current government who are not a whole lot better).

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Spot on, Quokka. Just so long as newcomers don't do anything REALLY silly, like supporting Collingwood........

Yes, I can hardly think of a sillier crime than this   Although supporting Essendon has to come pretty close  


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
only one is actually the official anthem today and the other two having been misused, misunderstood and/or originally intended for entirely different purposes.

Last time I was in Germany in any sort of 'official capacity,' Klaus (showing my age, it was about 1960) the German anthem said, "Germany, Germany, over everyone, over everyone in the world."

Has it now changed?



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 19):
"Germany, Germany, over everyone, over everyone in the world."

That's not a good translation of "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, Über alles in der Welt,".

Better would be "Germany, Germany above all, Above everything in the world" .. the words above and over are not interchangable.

I don't know if this is still part of the anthem, but it's nothing to write home about. The French want to fertilize farms with their enemies' blood, Britannia wants to rule the world's oceans, the US wants to fight from the shores of Tripoli to Mexico. More modest countries speak of defense.

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 19):
Last time I was in Germany in any sort of 'official capacity,' Klaus (showing my age, it was about 1960) the German anthem said, "Germany, Germany, over everyone, over everyone in the world."

Has it now changed?

I'm not that young, but even I hadn't been born back then!

Atually, that 1st stanza has never been the official anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany – it was retired after its horrendous misuse during the Third Reich. (Althought there had been some conservative attempts to restore all three stanzas, but they never got any traction and the matter is now settled.)

The original text was actually written with a very different intention:

Deutschlandlied - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:
August Heinrich Hoffmann (who called himself von Fallersleben after his home town to distinguish himself from others with the same common name of "Hoffmann") wrote the text in 1841 on vacation on the North Sea island Heligoland, then a possession of the United Kingdom.

Hoffmann von Fallersleben intended Das Lied der Deutschen to be sung to Haydn's tune, as the first publication of the poem included the music. The first line, "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt" (usually translated into English as "Germany, Germany above all, above all in the world"), was an appeal to the various German monarchs to give the creation of a united Germany a higher priority than the independence of their small states. In the third stanza, with a call for "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit" (unity and justice and freedom), Hoffmann expressed his desire for a united and free Germany where the rule of law, not monarchical arbitrariness, would prevail.[3]

In the era after the Congress of Vienna, which was influenced by Prince Metternich and his secret police, Hoffmann's text had a distinctly revolutionary, and at the same time liberal, connotation, since the demand for a united Germany was most often made in connection with demands for freedom of press and other liberal rights. Its implication that loyalty to a larger Germany should replace loyalty to one's sovereign personally was in itself a revolutionary idea.

The year after he wrote Das Deutschlandlied, Hoffmann von Fallersleben lost his job as a librarian and professor in Breslau, Prussia because of this and other revolutionary works, and was forced into hiding until being pardoned after the revolutions of 1848.

This shows that the way the nazis mis-used the anthem was completely alien to the original intentions behind it, but the first stanza is now just too toxic (and the second obviously too silly ), so only the third stanza is used any more, which is actually very nice.

This example shows what a complex history such national symbols can sometimes have and how perspectives can change over time.

I hope that australians will find something really nice and forward-looking; But I would be surprised if it would be an easy birth...


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 20):
That's not a good translation of "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, Über alles in der Welt,".

Better would be "Germany, Germany above all, Above everything in the world" .. the words above and over are not interchangable.

Indeed. Although the original intention was really not the one illustrated so effectively in Casablanca...!

(See above.)

Quoting Asturias (Reply 20):
I don't know if this is still part of the anthem, but it's nothing to write home about.
No and no, indeed!


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 18):
I miss the quiet, humble sort of pride that we have in Australia.

Golly I nearly chucked my dinner reading this, Australians having a quiet humble pride, pull the other one, I've never met a quiet humble Australian, loud and in your face pride is more like it.  


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Golly I nearly chucked my dinner reading this, Australians having a quiet humble pride, pull the other one, I've never met a quiet humble Australian, loud and in your face pride is more like it.

Australians used to have a quiet humble pride.....

I like the humour of Brotown, where the "Kiwis" and South Africans pick on teh Aussie arrogance - totally de3servedly, from my observations.

Oh, and the Kiwi anthem is also a much better song than the Aussie anthem!!!


25 QFKangaroo747 : Point taken, but I really think this is only the case at a sports event. If you compare pride and arrogance as understood on a general day-to-day lev
26 Post contains images NZ107 : How long ago? There are many who would agree to disagree with that! Old fashioned and all.. And a lot comment on how slow it is too.
27 Post contains images Kent350787 : Silly Kiwis - better tune, better harmonies - very noticable if your singing them one after the other at some A-NZ function.... As for the when - may
28 qantas077 : my old stomping grounds...lovely to see. and it should be the national anthem.
29 DocLightning : Right. In Australia, "un-Australian" is reserved for things like not liking beer, rooting (sorry, "barracking") for the All-Blacks, or thinking that
30 Post contains images Kent350787 : Now, where is the "Like" button, especially for the parenthetical element!
31 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Here's a clip of comedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgAW2zaGkXU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXJYvS87q1c&feature=relate
32 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Thanks Klaus - I guess I 'stand corrected,' apologies. Probably time to raise the question of 'Waltzing Matilda,' which is undoubtedly Australia's 'l
33 Post contains images Klaus : No problem.
34 Post contains images Klaus : Ah, thanks, especially for the explained version!
35 comorin : Brilliant!...never thought of it that way.
36 KiwiRob : It was ok when people knew the words, when we started it off in maori which nobody knew the words to we killed it. If we are going to do it in two la
37 DocLightning : It is. Nary a period in the whole thing until the question mark at the end! I am staying the hell out of this one...
38 Post contains images Kent350787 : We're all one big happy family in the southern ocean! Sorry for an aviation related comment, but when are Oz-Kiwi flights moving to domestic status a
39 NZ107 : After a little chat with the immigration officer at SYD, he said that Australia will never get departing Smartgates put in as they're 'too unreliable
40 CharlieNoble : Just some food for thought...it may have more to do with the fact that you are a guest than anything else. You and I probably agree 90% or more on th
41 sccutler : What a fine bunch - I'd be very proud if my son had been a part of such a thing. I guess I wonder where this guy lives... wherever it is, cynicism dwe
42 Post contains links and images NAV20 : I love the United States, sccutler. Whatever else it is, it's a great country by any standards; and I love it. But it tends to produce the best or th
43 QFKangaroo747 : Actually I have been living here in the US for a long time and have been attempting to become a citizen for years, so at this point I feel that I am
44 KiwiRob : Hmmm I wish I could say that about Norwegians, however Norwegians cannot accept any critism of the socialist paradise that they have created.
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