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Again, The Iranian People Protest-----  
User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 22
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2036 times:
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But, that hypocrit Ahmadinejad stands-by and lets the state police and army beat and shoot their protesters. Just barely a week ago he was praising the Egyptians for their protest. He is nothing but a puppet to the mullah's.

I wish the Iranian people well, but IMO for them to make a regime change will cost a lot of lives.

Here's an article from this evenings N.Y.Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/world/middleeast/15iran.html?hp


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User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Frackin' idiots. Talk about talking out the corner of your mouth while biting your tongue.


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Hmm, just as expected - they are all trying to clean out their houses.

But I suspect this won't be so simple. It takes millions of people to protest - protests so massive that it's very hard to control.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Hope the international community helps the people this time


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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
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The Iranian parliament, as I expected, is ready to unleash death and destruction on the demonstrators and their leaders.

This is from today's N.Y.Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/world/middleeast/16iran.html?_r=1&hp



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User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

The Iranian media has already started their coverup efforts. The lead page of Presstv.com shows nothing related to demonstrations in Iran, instead pointing to "500 missing Egyptian demonstrators". They then rail on the US and KSA in another article for "encouraging Bahrain to crack down on opponents". WTF??

In the actual article on the subject, they claim this is the work of an Anti-Iran terrorist organization.

http://presstv.com/detail/165306.html

Propaganda is incredible to watch in action.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

This is a lose-lose situation for the Iranian government. To let the protests take place would mean allowing dissent; to not allow the protests would show hypocrisy from its part. Of course, just throw in the Revolutionary Guards and the Army and call it a day.

I certainly hope one day the Iranian regime crumbles and collapses so that Iranians can have true freedom. The Ayatollah (aka Supreme Leader) is no different from Mubarak IMO except that Mubarak was allied with the US.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

I wish the protestors well. Take those bastards down! Unfortunetly, it might take some heavy firepower from outside to finally dismantle the Mullahs  .

User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

I think that Iran could open fire and kill every opposition group if they wanted to, and the world would do nothing, but stand by and watch, and they know this. What are we going to do, more sanctions? It is pretty sad for the Iranian people.

User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 8):
I think that Iran could open fire and kill every opposition group if they wanted to, and the world would do nothing, but stand by and watch, and they know this.

What's the punishment for the height of hypocrisy and showing the world you're up to your ears in BS??



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1724 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
What's the punishment for the height of hypocrisy and showing the world you're up to your ears in BS??

Nothing, and I think the Iranian Gov. knows this, we can only hope for the best for the people of Iran.


User currently offlinedeltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
What's the punishment for the height of hypocrisy and showing the world you're up to your ears in BS??

In the era of a neutered U.S.? Harshly worded letters and sanctions on things that they're already getting from China and Russia anyways. It didn't take long after the U.S. invasion of Iraq for so many to forget all about Saddam Hussein's countless atrocities and unbelievably inhumane treatment of his people. Who knows how quickly the world would forget about the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad in the face of the Big Bad Oil-seeking Empire (even though it ironically allows the oil fields to be freely auctioned off to non-U.S. firms...silly us!).

That said, I damn sure don't want a war with Iran...it would be a disaster. Just a shame we can't seem to find a way to help the struggling Iranians who must feel like the world has forgotten about them.

[Edited 2011-02-15 21:47:20]

User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
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I have a feeling that the whole middle east is going to go. First you had Tunisia, then Egypt, now Yemen and Bahrain. I suspect that within the next few years every tyrant and monarchy in the middle east will be wiped out by a general public that's fed up with being treated like crap. Personally, and no offense to any of the islamic faith, i say that it's about time, let's drag these middle eastern theocracies, oligarchies, and absolute monarchies out of the thirteenth century and into today's world. to put it another way, a police force whose whole job is to enforce religion has no place in a modern, civilized society.


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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
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Quoting Mudboy (Reply 8):
think that Iran could open fire and kill every opposition group if they wanted to, and the world would do nothing, but stand by and watch, and they know this. What are we going to do, more sanctions? It is pretty sad for the Iranian people.

That's about right. And yes, the mullah's know that.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
What's the punishment for the height of hypocrisy and showing the world you're up to your ears in BS

Nothing. Nobody cares anymore because we see hypoctites everywhere.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
Nothing, and I think the Iranian Gov. knows this, we can only hope for the best for the people of Iran

Yes, the Iranian government has spent years now proving to the world that they have a very high level of violent response to anything they don't like. So now most of the free world has become "conditioned" to not give a s$@t about what Iran does.
Everybody thinks most of the people in Iran support their regime blindly. "So who cares?"

I know many Iranian people who live here in the US. Some here in Roanoke and I have known them in Atlanta, too. They would all love to see some sort of democratic government in place.
The Persian civilization is very, very old. It has survived a lot of turbulence in it's long history. It will survive this. The bad part is the heavy human sacrifice that will be needed to rid themselves of the current regime.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 11):
That said, I damn sure don't want a war with Iran...it would be a disaster.

   Very true. Though the US doesn't import Iranian oil (at least, I don't think it does), one strike against a big oil producer like Iran will send oil prices up through the roof. Add to that that Iran has already made threats against sealing off the Strait of Hormuz (though technically if Oman, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE allow ships to pass through their maritime borders, Iran's threat is null AND if oil is not allowed to flow from the Persian Gulf to the world, you can be pretty sure that China and Russia will immediately demand for Iran to end the blockade)

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 12):
to put it another way, a police force whose whole job is to enforce religion has no place in a modern, civilized society.

   Couldn't have said it better myself. I wonder if the feelings among Arabs (and non-Arabs as well) toward an Islamic state right now are the same back when monarchies were overthrown.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
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I find it interesting that not one of the a.netters who usually posts on things related to the Middle East has posted a thing on this thread!

Do they not care a thing about Iranians?



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User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

ImperialEagle, the Persian civilization without Islam is very, very old. I seriously doubt if any form of real democracy can coexist with a sharia based government...church mixing with state has never worked.


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

I really wish them all the best. These are brave people to protest against such a cruel regime.

It seems the whole Middle East is in turmoil.

Just the Al-Jazeera headlines:

Bahrain protesters hold ground

Libyan police stations torched

Protesters killed in Yemen clashes

Iran funeral triggers new clashes

Iraqis attack government offices




I hope they all succeed.

Down with dictators, tortures, and corruption!!

Human rights are universal, I hope some day they'll be fully in place in all countries around the world.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Iran´s situation is uncalculable, the governments fist very strong, more brutal than in any other muslim country aside Libya.

Still from all those regimes Iran´s Mullah-madmen deserve to fall the most. Ahmadinedjad is one of the most ridiculous rulers anywhere, ridiculous as Berlusconi, cruel as Ghaddafi, such a shame for such a great people as the Iranians are. I know quite a lot of Iranians, for a long time, and almost all are fine people.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Hope the international community helps the people this time

A snowball in hell has better chance than that happening..for a multitude of reasons.

Quoting na (Reply 18):
Iran´s situation is uncalculable, the governments fist very strong, more brutal than in any other muslim country aside Libya.

Exactly, and for the Iranians to have half a chance, they must follow the Egyptians..

1) Mob-Attack...Beat the crap out of the 1st 50 cops of each crowd/riot control team -
Result: Cops then realize that the crowd is united and will not tolerate 'beatings from them'
Last time, the Iranian protesters tried to be friends with the cops right at the start
..that doesn't work til the cops realize the 'determination' of the various crowds.

2) Realize the old Gov't trick of pulling in outsiders to fire on the people (they have no ties to the locals and will kill for sport! -- exactly why you must attack the police first ..when they stand down, welcome them to the fold.

3) Crowd rush on vital gov't institutions, the state News Agency and Telecommunications Centers, Parliament and Energy facilities.

..at that point the Army holds all the cards and has to choose between - the will of the people or a bloodbath. The latter is not the likely choioce as most of the troops are young men like the majority of the country, they are more in-sync with each other than their older ruling mullahs.

Quoting na (Reply 18):
Still from all those regimes Iran´s Mullah-madmen deserve to fall the most.

Yep, do the above and these old cretins will have nothing but canes to defend themselves.


BN747



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5504 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

It is a sad and bitter irony that the current regime in Iran is vastly more abusive of its people than that of the Shah (which does not justify his abuses).


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 20):
It is a sad and bitter irony that the current regime in Iran is vastly more abusive of its people than that of the Shah (which does not justify his abuses).

I don't mean to take this off-topic, but the worst concerning this was probably the Russian revolution. The czar was a dictator, no doubt, but compared to that what came after him he was incredibly soft.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Ex-president Rafsanjani´s daughter has been imprisoned after having taken part in anti-government protests and is currently in jail.
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12519418]Ex-President Rafsanjani daughter arrested in Iran[url]

During the last years it has become more and more a fight between various factions of the Iranian political scene.
On one hand there are the old-style Mullahs, who gained power after the revolution, like Rafsanjani, and became rich. He accepts limited reforms as long as he stays in power and earns money from it. He has power and will be seriouslxy p'ssed off about his daughter´s arrest.
Then there are the revoluntionary guards, religious hardliners, who have bleed and fought in the Iran-Iraq war (when Saddam Hussein thought that he could invade a weakened, after the revolution, Iran and nick their oil fields close to the border) and demand now access to the gravy pots. They are organised in a mafia-like style and are represented by Achmedinejad
Finally there are those who have enough of both and want a modern, democratic system.

Jan


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 20):
It is a sad and bitter irony that the current regime in Iran is vastly more abusive of its people than that of the Shah (which does not justify his abuses).

Sadly, the Iranians have driven out the demon with the devil. That the French let Khomeni go to Tehran was a grave mistake, probably the worst political mistake a western state has made after WWII besides Vietnam.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 21):
I don't mean to take this off-topic, but the worst concerning this was probably the Russian revolution. The czar was a dictator, no doubt, but compared to that what came after him he was incredibly soft.

True. Stalin & Co killed hundreds if not thousands of times more people than the Czar. The true crime of the Czarist regime though was keeping his people in total ignorance.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting na (Reply 23):
True. Stalin & Co killed hundreds if not thousands of times more people than the Czar. The true crime of the Czarist regime though was keeping his people in total ignorance.

Well, the last Czar was maybe the most political one (and insofar a tragic figure), he recognised that time for change was overdue. But the most dangerous time for any autocratic system is when it starts to "soften up". This will often be seen as a sign of weakness, which needs to be exploited.

Jan


25 Thorben : As Jan pointed out for Iran, regimes always have their internal troubles, no matter how tight they seem from the outside. If the pressure is on, and
26 JoeCanuck : The mullahs are running on borrowed time. Iran has one of the youngest, most educated, politically aware, reasonable and intelligent populations on th
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