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Census: Chicago's Population Down To 1920 Level  
User currently offlinecorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 342 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Not from Chicago, but I've always been interested in Census results. Chicago's population is down 200,000 since 2000. That's a loss of about 7%. Pretty big, especially considering that the city gained population in the 2000 Census. Most of the population loss seems to be from Blacks leaving the city and going to the suburbs or down South. White population loss was pretty small compared to previous decades. And the supposed influx of Latino's was actually pretty modest. Still, in spite of the city's population loss, the suburbs seem to be doing pretty well and the Chicagoland area grew by around 3%.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...nties-census-data-dennis-sandquist

I've been to Chicago a few times and think it's a nice city with great architecture. Over the last fifty years, the trend's been for these Midwest cities to lose people, though I had thought Chicago stabilized. And since it's the 3rd largest city in the country, there should be more than enough pull in terms of jobs, prospects, activities, etc. I was reading more into this and some articles were saying that high taxes, crime, lack of job prospects and weather were driving factors for the population loss.

Any current or former Chicagoland residents care to comment?

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User currently offlineacidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3807 times:
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There are many ways you could look at this. We are talking about a change from 2000-2010 so you have to factor in an economic boom and an economic bust along with one of the largest home construction drives we've had in post-WW2 America.

While Chicago has a diverse economy it was an industrial stronghold. The US has lost great numbers of industrial jobs to offshoring and automation. Jobs lost that way are not likely to ever come back. And the industrial jobs that remain in the US have moved too. Significant amounts of industry have moved to the South because it is cheap to operate there. Back in the day the Rust Belt existed where it did for a reason - it was the perfect in-the-middle meeting place of coal from the Southern US and Appalachia and iron ore from Minnesota/UP Michigan/Ontario. Now you can put anything wherever you want because it is easy to ship anything you want anywhere you want.

With the housing boom came lots of suburban home construction. People who lived in the city their whole lives and rented now had an opportunity to own that "piece of the American dream" in the suburbs. That could explain some of the exodus from Chicago proper.

In recent years that has been an interesting migration of Blacks to the South. Although emancipation became law in 1865 many African-Americans stayed in the South. It wasn't until around WWI that many African-Americans came north to Rust Belt cities. They came to seek work and they stayed. But jobs aren't what they used to be in the industrial north. In the last decade there has been a noticeable migration of African-Americans from northern cities to southern cities. Why? Probably a few factors: plentiful jobs, cheaper living, want to be closer to family or follow their roots, etc. In reality Americans in general are moving to the South in large numbers because the jobs have moved there and the cost of living is more affordable.

Latinos seem to be going to other parts of the US more now - again they are following the jobs. The jobs all tend to be in the South, in parts of the western US and in pockets/enclaves of the rural Midwest. There just aren't as many jobs to chase in the Rust Belt cities right now.

I'm sure that high crime, high taxes and weather don't help market Chicago. At the end of the day though it is all about jobs. Nobody is going to move to a place where they can't find work.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39886 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting corinthians (Thread starter):
Any current or former Chicagoland residents care to comment?

Acidradio summed it up very well.
Do keep in mind that Chicagoland as a whole grew by 3% so people are not leaving the area. They're just leaving the city of Chicago. Away from the wrath of the corrupt political machine of Daley/Emanuel.
Taxes are lower, crime is lower and there is more parking in the surrounding cities.
Schools are much better in the suburbs too. Chicago public schools average 1 homicide a day!
Chicago has some of the highest crime of any other major city. Their community organizer has done a terrible job.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Taxes are lower, crime is lower and there is more parking in the surrounding cities.

This is true. Chicago has become hell in the last 10-15 years. There was a time in the mid 1990's when I actually enjoyed living somewhat close to the city. Now I will do my best to never live anywhere near cook.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6593 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3708 times:
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Quoting flanker (Reply 3):
Chicago has become hell in the last 10-15 years. T

Yikes - i have lived in the city for over 10 years, and there is not a day that regret my choice.

Why - may as ask you feel this way?



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5041 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Chicago is a very expensive place to live. You are taxed to death by the city and the state. Everything seems to be more expensive there. Your money just does not go as far as it does in other places.

And may I add that Chicago is my hometown! I left there years ago because it seemed that no matter how much money I made, it was never enough to enjoy the city the way I thought it should have been enjoyed.

My last apartment in Chicago (1979) rented for $275.00 per month. The same apartment today goes for $1375 per month. And that was NOT in a luxury building.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
My last apartment in Chicago (1979) rented for $275.00 per month. The same apartment today goes for $1375 per month. And that was NOT in a luxury building.

That's really not that bad. A similar apartment in a decent neighborhood in Washington DC or its nearby suburbs (Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda, etc) would run you $1,500+.

While Chicago is expensive, it's actually cheaper than many of it's major city counterparts. Chicago is cheaper than LA, San Francisco, Washington, DC, New York and Boston.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
LA, San Francisco

Better weather and multiculti flavor.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
Washington, DC, New York and Boston

Better salaries and better employment diversity.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Another interesting finding from Census 2010 is that 1 in 4 counties in the US lost population between 2000 and 2010. The US saw the lowest level of population growth since the depression as well. Throw in a major economic downturn and things aren't going to look too rosy for a lot of places right now.

Quoting acidradio (Reply 1):
Latinos seem to be going to other parts of the US more now - again they are following the jobs. The jobs all tend to be in the South, in parts of the western US and in pockets/enclaves of the rural Midwest. There just aren't as many jobs to chase in the Rust Belt cities right now.

One thing I read several years back is that in the most recent wave of latino immigrants are not favoring big cities/urban areas as much as they did in times past. Given that many of these immigrants came from more rural communities in Latin America they were preferring to find something similar in the US and obviously finding work there. Which explained the massive growth of latino communities in the rural south.

Quoting corinthians (Thread starter):
I've been to Chicago a few times and think it's a nice city with great architecture. Over the last fifty years, the trend's been for these Midwest cities to lose people, though I had thought Chicago stabilized. And since it's the 3rd largest city in the country, there should be more than enough pull in terms of jobs, prospects, activities, etc. I was reading more into this and some articles were saying that high taxes, crime, lack of job prospects and weather were driving factors for the population loss.

I wonder what the population estimates for the city proper were during the boom years of the past decade, when all the hipsters and recent college grads were all flocking to the city -- and gentrifying and driving up rents. I suspect as job prospects changed and as they began having kids decided to leave the city for more family friendly locales. Which tells me that until a generation of young people is willing to stay and invest in their new communities (and not up and leave when they spawn) the major cities in the US will continue to struggle.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
You are taxed to death by the city and the state

City, yes. State...taxes are not really above average. State sales tax is 6.25%. Personal income tax is 3%, going up to 5% but still far from the highest. So, Cook and Chicago are bad, but Illinois really isn't...so that also explains why Chicagoland population rose while Chicago population dropped.

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.pdf

http://retirementliving.com/RLstate1.html#ILLINOIS

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
Everything seems to be more expensive there.

It's the 3rd biggest city in the country, right up there with Los Angeles...of course things are going to be expensive.



I love Chicago, spent a lot of time there growing up, and most of my family lives there...but I am happy living in Kansas City...schools are just as good, taxes are around the same, but the cost of living is definitely lower (though wages are lower, too).


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 3):
This is true. Chicago has become hell in the last 10-15 years. There was a time in the mid 1990's when I actually enjoyed living somewhat close to the city. Now I will do my best to never live anywhere near cook.

One of the reason's for me moving to Florida. Where I live we have little crime, no traffic, low taxes and agreat environment to bring up kids.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6593 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
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Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
, no traffic,

But tons of Bad Drivers!



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 11):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
, no traffic,

But tons of Bad Drivers

During snow bird season you have to watch out...To many gray hairs..Toss in all the foreign tourists and yes it can be scary at times.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 7):
Better weather and multiculti flavor.

Neither of which will pay your bills.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 7):
Better salaries and better employment diversity.

However, the higher salaries don't offset the higher cost of living.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
One of the reason's for me moving to Florida.

Except that Florida's another big ponzi scheme in the making. High unemployment, dismal housing market, bankrupt state insurance funds trying to keep beach front property owners afloat and if conservatives have their way, Florida will suffer severely when cuts to SS and Medicare occur.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
Except that Florida's another big ponzi scheme in the making.

Not to mention generally crime-ridden.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
However, the higher salaries don't offset the higher cost of living.

They very well can. If you're a recent graduate trying to save money by living with your parents and you're from Chicago, you'll make less than a recent grad living with their parents making 20% more salary in Boston or LA.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):
Neither of which will pay your bills.

Better weather is useful though. Here in Hawaii it means never having to buy winter clothes for your kids, never having to winterize plumbing, and zero heating bills. Don't need to run air conditioning often either since the trades will blow through any open window most days. These things do actually balance out.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39886 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
One of the reason's for me moving to Florida. Where I live we have little crime, no traffic, low taxes and agreat environment to bring up kids.

No crime in Florida?!?!?!  Wow!
This is the first time I've ever heard this.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 9):
I am happy living in Kansas City

I thought you lived in Namibia.   


Quoting sw733 (Reply 9):
So, Cook and Chicago are bad, but Illinois really isn't...so that also explains why Chicagoland population rose while Chicago population dropped.

Get's even cheaper if you go to the suburbs just to the southeast in Indiana.
Taxes are much lower on the Indiana side of the boarder. Lot's more greenspace, parks, hills, clean beaches and great schools. Gas cost about 30 less per gallon and you can buy fireworks for the 4th of July.  
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
Chicago is cheaper than LA, San Francisco, Washington, DC, New York and Boston.

That is changing my the second. In many ways, Chicago has caught up and even surpassed those cities in terms of cost.
I found food and booze in Chicago cost more than in San Francisco and Los Angeles. The grocery stores are more expensive as well. Granted the CTA system is one of the best in the nation but fares have gone up and I believe they got rid of transfers. For every segment of your bus trip, it cost $2.00. If you need to take 2 buses to get to your destination, it's $4.00 each way ($8.00) round-trip.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
Yikes - i have lived in the city for over 10 years, and there is not a day that regret my choice.

Bet you wouldn't say that if you lived anywhere south of 35th street.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
Chicago is a very expensive place to live. You are taxed to death by the city and the state. Everything seems to be more expensive there. Your money just does not go as far as it does in other places.



And yet today, the great citizens of Chicago elected Washington D.C.'s own Rahm Emanuel as their mayor. Thus continuing the endless taxation cycle.. Way to go Chicago!!!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39886 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
And yet today, the great citizens of Chicago elected Washington D.C.'s own Rahm Emanuel as their mayor. Thus continuing the endless taxation cycle.. Way to go Chicago!!!

Just saw the headlines.  
This has cemented the decline of Chicago city proper. What a great city it used to be.
Rahm will be a continuation of Richard Daley and Rahm will be mayor for life.
Considering Rahm is fairly young, he'll be mayor for the next 30 years.
Shame on you Chicago.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 9):
So, Cook and Chicago are bad, but Illinois really isn't...so that also explains why Chicagoland population rose while Chicago population dropped.

There are areas of Illinois that are nice yes, but as a whole, the state is a broke overtaxed bureaucratic shit hole with a bunch of straight and boring roads that lead to places like Carbondale.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
One of the reason's for me moving to Florida. Where I live we have little crime, no traffic, low taxes and agreat environment to bring up kids.

Yep I will be, either Florida or Texas as soon as I can.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
Yikes - i have lived in the city for over 10 years, and there is not a day that regret my choice.
Why - may as ask you feel this way?

Don't get me wrong, I love the city itself, always have. What I don't like is everything that has gone wrong with it and the state in general. And I really wish you would have experienced it during the mid 1990s.

You should move to the south west burbs. Burr Ridge/Darien.. etc. Great place to live.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 18):
There are areas of Illinois that are nice yes, but as a whole, the state is a broke overtaxed bureaucratic shit hole with a bunch of straight and boring roads that lead to places like Carbondale.

That's about the size of it. Some of the downstate (in the "not Chicago" sense) that are home to major companies, and therefore people with money, are pretty nice. The Twin Cities are nice, and while Peoria is a ghetto, many of the surrounding communities are comfortable. Haven't spent too much time in the Quad Cities, but they seem to be pretty much the same thing. I never felt much desire to spend any time south of Peoria though.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39886 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3430 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 18):
There are areas of Illinois that are nice yes, but as a whole, the state is a broke overtaxed bureaucratic shit hole with a bunch of straight and boring roads that lead to places like Carbondale.

LOL!  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
The Twin Cities are nice, and while Peoria is a ghetto,

Hometown of Richard Prior.  
Quoting flanker (Reply 18):
And I really wish you would have experienced it during the mid 1990s.

Dude I was there in the 1970s & 1980s.  
I was even on channel 9 WGN TV show Bozo Circus back in 1978.   


There is a huge untapped oasis in northwest Indiana and I think all the thugs have been killed off in Gary.
All Gary needs to do is get elected officials that know how to run things and the area will be great again.
The neighborhood I grew up in (Miller) is trying to succeed from the rest of Gary and call the city Miller Beach.
Nice big homes with huge lots, dunes, forest, clean beach front, ponds and still only a 30 minute drive to downtown Chicago. Already has the rail line that links to downtown and goes as far east as South Bend.
Already has an airport (GYY) in which Boeing execs. park their private jets.
Other surrounding communities such as Shereville, Munster, Dyer and Merriville are safe cities with good schools, lots of parks and very clean.
Taxes are very low as well.

Aside from the el-train and deep dish pizza, what else is there? It's not like you're gonna go to the museums every single day. Their women at the clubs there are some of the biggest heifers I've ever seen, have bad attitudes, tattoos and smoke like chimneys.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Dude I was there in the 1970s & 1980s.

oh cool but my reply was to mt88 lol



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
I was even on channel 9 WGN TV show Bozo Circus back in 1978.

My dad always tells the story of watching that show when one kid exclaimed "Oh Shit!" after being unable to toss a ball into a bucket.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Taxes are much lower on the Indiana side of the boarder.

Can't make up for the fact that Gary is a sewer and it's not going to change. And if Chicago does decline, those Indiana suburbs will get taken down with it.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Chicago has caught up and even surpassed those cities in terms of cost.

No, it hasn't. The cost of living data clearly shows that Chicago is no where near those cities. If anything, it will fall further behind as housing prices are on the rise in SF, LA, DC and NYC.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6593 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Bet you wouldn't say that if you lived anywhere south of 35th street.

That can be said of any city really...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Rahm will be a continuation of Richard Daley

Thank God! Definitively happy about that!

Quoting flanker (Reply 18):
You should move to the south west burbs. Burr Ridge/Darien.. etc. Great place to live.

Are kidding me? When i first moved to the area i lived in Lisle.. Now that i look back on my time there, i tell you that i think i had some level of depression. Suburbia is awful...



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25 Post contains images Superfly : Not sure how they're collecting that data. I just know from the things that I normally buy on a day to day basis is higher in Chicago than in San Fra
26 type-rated : Dominicks has been owned by Safeway for about 8 years now. It's not what it used to be.
27 Superfly : Interesting. That explains why I was able ot use my red discount card. The prices were still higher for the same product.
28 Post contains images flanker : Thats becasue its Lisle. Everyone in Lisle, Westmont and Lemont has depression. Burr Ridge, Hinsdale,Oakbrook, Downers Grove.. etc are great places t
29 flanker : I love how Dominicks is now. It used to be a shit hole. I had always been a fan of Jewel until the mid 2000's when Dominicks revamped their stores. I
30 mt99 : Did you see have corn too? Shudder... Why would you ever go there? Besides.. congestion = life and things happening Lisle is 2 blocks from Downers'..
31 flanker : Downers is actually very nice unlike Westmont. Everyday I pass by Audi, Benz, Bmw, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrai, Bentley and unfortunately Toyota and Lexus
32 Venus6971 : Used to be a stocker in a Garfalos in Tinley Park a small chain back in the late 70's early 80's plus a union member UFCW, I bet the employees are ma
33 mt99 : And that the problem... I could really care less about the Audi, Benz, Bmw, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrai, Bentley there.. There are plenty in the Gold Coas
34 flanker : Well I used to live there. It WAS a nice place 10-12 years ago. I am around that area a lot because I still have family living in the vicinity.
35 type-rated : Westmont was a hole even back in the 60's! I lived in Lisle back in the early 70's. I thought it was quite nice. What has happened since? A buddy of m
36 sw733 : Can't expect salukis to run on rocky trails, can you? Born and raised in Namibia to parents from suburban Chicago. I split high school between Namibi
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